G Edward Griffin how to restore freedom: We need to to be POWER SEEKERS

[MN Patriot]

This video is 1 hour 23 minutes long, but well worth it. Griffin has a great message of how to restore our freedom. So many posts in these forums ask what to do? Head for the hills? Hide? Pretend all is well? Griffin tells us what we need to do: seek power.

An Idea Whose Time Has Come - G. Edward Griffin - Freedom Force International

Here is his website: http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/

It is a new year, now is the time to take action.

 

[Chaohinon]

I can agree to an extent, although I don't understand the fetish folks have with trying to plow their way into the current power structure, rather than build a new one.

By constructing an alternative power structure (or several), we could easily amass all the wayward outcasts who will never have success in mainstream politics (libertarians, old guard conservatives, greens, constitutionalists) into an upwardly mobile movement that can forcefully halt the injustices of the u.s. government.

IE: rather than trying to protest police brutality and hoping the same government that sanctions it will put a stop to it, we could be actively taking down officers who engage in such conduct. Same thing for military regiments, corrupt politicians, and corporations colluding with the state. With a significant number of people willing to act as agents of justice, we wouldn't have to worry about hoping to find it in the decaying halls of the current court system.

Take action now!

Dual Power

 

[YumYum]

I can agree to an extent, although I don't understand the fetish folks have with trying to plow their way into the current power structure, rather than build a new one.

By constructing an alternative power structure (or several), we could easily amass all the wayward outcasts who will never have success in mainstream politics (libertarians, old guard conservatives, greens, constitutionalists) into an upwardly mobile movement that can forcefully halt the injustices of the u.s. government.

IE: rather than trying to protest police brutality and hoping the same government that sanctions it will put a stop to it, we could be actively taking down officers who engage in such conduct. Same thing for military regiments, corrupt politicians, and corporations colluding with the state. With a significant number of people willing to act as agents of justice, we wouldn't have to worry about hoping to find it in the decaying halls of the current court system.

Take action now!

Dual Power

How? by blowing up buildings from the comfort of our computers?

 

[MN Patriot]

IE: rather than trying to protest police brutality and hoping the same government that sanctions it will put a stop to it, we could be actively taking down officers who engage in such conduct. Same thing for military regiments, corrupt politicians, and corporations colluding with the state. With a significant number of people willing to act as agents of justice, we wouldn't have to worry about hoping to find it in the decaying halls of the current court system.

Take action now!

Birchibald T. Barlow: [on the radio] I want all of you out there to do everything in your power to see that Bob is set free!
Moe Szyslak: All right, you heard the man.
[He takes a box out from under the bar]
Moe Szyslak: Everybody, one grenade each.
Barney Gumble: Moe, I think he meant through non-violent, grassroots, poltical action.

 

[CCTelander]

Same old plan with a new paint job.

And it's worked so very well to date.

 

[MN Patriot]

Same old plan with a new paint job.

And it's worked so very well to date.

And your suggestion is....?

...nothing. Which will accomplish exactly nothing.

 

[Stary Hickory]

The problem always has been that government power always attracts those who would use force and violence to exploit and steal from others......liberty minded folks just want to be left alone, hence the reason so few seek government office.

Liberty folks are defensively minded. And will only fight when backed into a corner. I think America is backed into that corner with big government and the statist wielders of force and violence threatening our every move. I think we will see some changes, and along with that more people seeking office to defend liberty from the assholes that think they have a right to control everyone elses' lives.

 

[CCTelander]

And your suggestion is....?

...nothing. Which will accomplish exactly nothing.

I've made quite a few suggestions over the years. You might even find some of them on this very forum. The question then becomes, are you willing to try something different?

 

[Cowlesy]

If you want to restore the Constitutional Republic, do as the Neoconservatives, did.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Griffin just figures if this strategy worked for statist/fabian socialists, then it can also work for us. The system is such that it inherently favors the corruption of their aims though. He wants us to beat them at their own game.

 

[stilltrying]

This is ironic. By becoming everything that you hate you can beat the system. Being an individualist and trying to hold onto that individualist spirit by pretend, become a collectivist.

 

[stilltrying]

What office does Griffin hold? What is he running for? I guess the cats out of the bag for him so no game for him.

 

[fj45lvr]

Don't try to "take over" the WHOLE enchilada....start with one sovereign State first (and then that State can become an example to the rest).

Easy picking: Alaska, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming

 

[MN Patriot]

I've made quite a few suggestions over the years. You might even find some of them on this very forum. The question then becomes, are you willing to try something different?

12 years ago I ran for Congress for the Libertarian Party. The LP collapsed soon after,because of their incompetent leadership. They are still around, but their candidate get the usual 1%. I still think the third party route is our best chance of restoring freedom, but for now I am getting involved with the Campaign for Liberty and see if the Republican Party can be reformed.

As we become involved, we are learning what works, what doesn't and who it is we are fighting. Griffin's videos and many other sources uncovers who the Establishment is an how they have created this socialist/corporatist system we live in.

Our biggest challenge is getting all the sundry liberty movements and organizations to unite. If the Republican Party can't be reformed, I firmly believe a third party needs to rise up and put the Republicans out of business, take votes away from them to make them irrelevant at first, and then extinct. The Libertarian, Constitution and other liberty minded parties have their chance to join forces and replace the Republican Party, so that there is a clear choice: freedom or fascism. Any liberty minded Republican would surely be encouraged to abandon the failing Republican Party and join the new Liberty Constitution Party, or whatever it will be called.

One thing that needs to happen is a tax revolt. People need to wake up to how much money the government is robbing from them every payday.

That is one thing I am doing differently. Trying to promote the idea of eliminating payroll deductions, require people to actually write a check to the government. Have you noticed my signature at the bottom? Have you seen anyone suggesting that same idea anywhere else? Different, isn't it? I haven't seen or heard anyone talk about doing this. It wouldn't even need to be enacted, just opening the debate with the public might be enough to open people's eyes and get more people on our side. The socialists shouldn't oppose it, since their sacred government is still getting their precious money, right? Or do they not want people to see how much they pay to the government.

 

[RBS51]

12 years ago I ran for Congress for the Libertarian Party. The LP collapsed soon after,because of their incompetent leadership. They are still around, but their candidate get the usual 1%. I still think the third party route is our best chance of restoring freedom, but for now I am getting involved with the Campaign for Liberty and see if the Republican Party can be reformed.

As we become involved, we are learning what works, what doesn't and who it is we are fighting. Griffin's videos and many other sources uncovers who the Establishment is an how they have created this socialist/corporatist system we live in.

Our biggest challenge is getting all the sundry liberty movements and organizations to unite. If the Republican Party can't be reformed, I firmly believe a third party needs to rise up and put the Republicans out of business, take votes away from them to make them irrelevant at first, and then extinct. The Libertarian, Constitution and other liberty minded parties have their chance to join forces and replace the Republican Party, so that there is a clear choice: freedom or fascism.

One thing that needs to happen is a tax revolt. People need to wake up to how much money the government is robbing from them every payday.

That is one thing I am doing differently. Trying to promote the idea of eliminating payroll deductions, require people to actually write a check to the government. Have you noticed by signature at the bottom? Have you seen anyone suggesting that same idea anywhere else? Different, isn't it? I haven't seen or heard anyone talk about doing this. It wouldn't even need to be enacted, just opening the debate with the public might be enough to open people's eyes and get more people on our side. The socialists shouldn't oppose it, since their sacred government is still getting their precious money, right? Or do they not want people to see how much they pay to the government.

If we can't change how the votes are counted, the number of parties won't matter.

 

[Ethek]

If we can't change how the votes are counted, the number of parties won't matter.

I agree on both sides. Power seekers are important. I wrote about this a few weeks ago. The key as Griffin explains late on is to hold to a philosphy of liberty.. or 'The Creed' as he calls it.

http://gadsdenunion.ning.com/profiles/blogs/nominate-principled-candidates

Liberty minded people must making a showing, we have to play be the rules of the system until we are in a position to change it. Ultimately we must regain power but the point to understand, the key, as Griffin discusses is that there must be a philosophy, a creed. Weather a candidate is libertarian or republican it does not matter.

If you really want to shake something up for third parties
http://www.thirty-thousand.org/#Q12 and restore sound money.

 

[MN Patriot]

If we can't change how the votes are counted, the number of parties won't matter.

Then that is another issue we need to address. The mainstream media will cover it up, but we need to bypass the mainstream media.

This is the problem of the liberty movement, so many people with hopeless attitudes.

"There is nothing we can do."
"They are so strong and smart and powerful and they have us outnumbered 100 to 1."
"Most people are sheep and will do nothing."

If you support the principles of individual liberty, then get involved with the CFL. We need to team up. Hard for individualists to join a team, but that is how we need to seek power.

 

[YumYum]

I love it! "We got to do this", and "We got do that". If your going to do it, then do it!!

 

[orafi]

If you want to restore the Constitutional Republic, do as the Neoconservatives, did.

promise republicans more war and military bases, then force feed them peace and prosperity when in power!

 

[MN Patriot]

I love it! "We got to do this", and "We got do that". If your going to do it, then do it!!

But one person doing it doesn't have as much impact as many people doing it. If you watched the video, Griffin talks about the multiplier effect.

This is the difficult part of the liberty movement, and the fascists probably know it quite well. Individualists don't want to join a movement like the socialist lemmings do.

I AM doing it, trying to persuade people to get involved in the CFL, perhaps get a third party created if reforming the Republican party proves to be impossible. Many people are trying to DO IT. But not enough are doing it. Ultimately we need to join forces to DO it. And not just talk and post things on forums, but actually take concrete steps to changing things.

I think the video might help to change people's attitudes, the first step to doing it.