From DP: The Ron Paul Factor (vote tallies)

[sailingaway]

Let's see. So you really didn't care about the numbers then. What was the point of the whole "we can count the undervote" thing you were pushing then? If it's just about "I want to write in Ron Paul" fine. But to try to claim, as you did prior to the election, that you could get the same effect based on the "undervote" is...well not fully forthcoming in my opinion.

that was because people were being told no one would see anything which was false and manipulative imho. If you go back to my posts I repeatedly said 'if it is a large number we can broadcast it'. I personally was voting for Ron Paul regardless of 'counting' and I believe I made that clear, as well.

the spin was from the other side, some even saying their entire ballot would be thrown away, not just that there would be no count at all.

 

[CPUd]

That's the idea SA was pushing. For what reason....I know longer no. I guess it's all about feeling smug at RPF and DP.

If something is there, and the Mitt voters are serious about trying to dig up evidence of fraud at the polls, it will turn up when they start trying to drag it out into the open.

I'd be surprised if this number is > 1,000,000 nationwide. Anyway, it's a matter of public record, and the only time I ever saw anyone (including myself) posting about it, it was in response to people proclaiming if they did a write in, their ballot would be thrown away. It didn't matter to me what that person ended up doing, but when people came in here claiming that, I know wherever they got that information was either mistaken or lying.

 

[AdamL]

Is that Michael Cole? I had a crush on him as a young girl, but haven't thought about him since I discovered rock and roll...and stuff that goes along with them.

My avatar? No, it's not Michael Cole - it's George Hilton.

 

[erowe1]

That's the idea SA was pushing. For what reason....I know longer no. I guess it's all about feeling smug at RPF and DP.

It all goes back to that mentality that we all had to pretend Ron Paul was still running long after he had conceded. Anyone else was an opposing candidate and would continue to be until inauguration day.

And it's still not over really. It's all about the electoral college!

 

[sailingaway]

It all goes back to that mentality that we all had to pretend Ron Paul was still running long after he had conceded. Anyone else was an opposing candidate and would continue to be until inauguration day.

And it's still not over really. It's all about the electoral college!

No it didn't it was about not watching one group manipulate people who wanted to vote their conscience by giving them false information.

and for someone who was only banned for a week for ridiculing people, you sure do whine about it a lot.

 

[fr33]

that was because people were being told no one would see anything which was false and manipulative imho.

No it wasn't. It was honest and truthful. Nobody but us will look at the few states that give us write in stats in a month or two. When such stats become available, nobody but us will care.

 

[sailingaway]

No it wasn't. It was honest and truthful. Nobody but us will look at the few states that give us write in stats in a month or two. When such stats become available, nobody but us will care.

that wasn't all that was said. some were saying they literally didn't have to count them in any fashion. I specified that we'd have to dig them up from web pages ourselves. If people cared, they should take that into account. but a bunch, like myself, weren't doing it for the number, if it was 'none of the above' in any fashion, that would be what we wanted. for those who did care, we didn't pretend it was different than it was.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

And the RP primary votes don't even account for the countless people I run into every time I wear a RP shirt that say, "Ron Paul? Too bad he didn't get the nomination. I would've voted for him."

Yes, I think this is a big one. I have, since yesterday, heard people say they didn't vote for president but would have voted for Paul. These are people that didn't even vote in the primary, and I didn't know they would have voted for Paul until they told me today.

 

[J_White]

The lefties that liked Ron Paul in the primaries were just useful idiots for the most part. If he had won the Republican nomination, just imagine the kinds of talking points we would have heard from the left during the general election:

- Ron Paul would repeal the Civil Rights Act and bring back segregation!
- Ron Paul would have let Hitler kill all the Jews and take over the world!
- Ron Paul would have allowed the southern states to have slavery!
- Ron Paul would let hospitals turn people away to die in the streets!
- Ron Paul would legalize hard drugs like heroin and let our children have them!
- Ron Paul would close down all of our schools!
- Ron Paul would get rid of all airport security and let the terrorist hijack our airplanes!
- etc.

Almost all of them would have realized that they love Big Brother and gone running back to Obama...

^ this would have been the reality if Dr. Paul got the nomination. it wont have been easy at all.

 

[J_White]

Send it to Ben Swann if you want other people to see it.

now thats a good suggestion.
if he can make a segment, after double checking these facts, about what the GOP did wrong, then maybe, maybe some people might get this.
on the other hand, this might start another blame-attack on us from the media !!

 

[Carehn]

can we find any write in ron paul numbers anywhere?

In my county my political connections hooked my up with many people who counted the votes. I was told Ron Paul write in out numbered all other 3rd party and write in candidates combined. I Voted GJ but was glad to hear this. If only it was a number people would report on. Sadly most places cant because they just toss write ins.

 

[Matt Collins]

I sent this to some key media people, let's see if anyone bites. It would be important to start this narrative.

 

[MelissaCato]

 

[sailingaway]

In my county my political connections hooked my up with many people who counted the votes. I was told Ron Paul write in out numbered all other 3rd party and write in candidates combined. I Voted GJ but was glad to hear this. If only it was a number people would report on. Sadly most places cant because they just toss write ins.

If they toss write ins it is illegal everywhere I checked, just as illegal as not counting a third party vote. they may still do it, but they have no right to do it. What we need to do is follow up in our counties. In CA I followed up in L.A in 2008 until they reported a number. Might it have been underreported? who knows? but we don't know if other election numbers were underreported either. But last I saw San Bernardino had NOT broken out his numbers in 2008 and people there need to make sure they do this time. On the other hand SB DID report the number of 'other' meaning all write in votes.

However, they have until Dec 7 to certify the vote and that is when the numbers will be reported state wide. as a practical matter we need to get our input in locally to count BEFORE then, to make sure the numbers are reported properly. but the law says they have to do it.

 

[MelissaCato]

What we need to do is follow up in our counties.

However, they have until Dec 7 to certify the vote and that is when the numbers will be reported state wide. as a practical matter we need to get our input in locally to count BEFORE then, to make sure the numbers are reported properly. but the law says they have to do it.

Ya this ^^ I took snap shots of my polling location results tape after they posted it to the door for 12 hours. I have an appointment on the 17th @ the Election Office room 202, again (lol) to record result numbers - I'll also get snaps shot then too - like last time. I'll have Lebanon County Pennsylvania's total Ron Paul write-ins on the 17th.

Why they make me wait that long is beyond me, I should have just walked in there and requested on the spot. But from past visits I know they want me to make appointments.

 

[Carehn]

If they toss write ins it is illegal everywhere I checked, just as illegal as not counting a third party vote. they may still do it, but they have no right to do it. What we need to do is follow up in our counties. In CA I followed up in L.A in 2008 until they reported a number. Might it have been underreported? who knows? but we don't know if other election numbers were underreported either. But last I saw San Bernardino had NOT broken out his numbers in 2008 and people there need to make sure they do this time. On the other hand SB DID report the number of 'other' meaning all write in votes.

However, they have until Dec 7 to certify the vote and that is when the numbers will be reported state wide. as a practical matter we need to get our input in locally to count BEFORE then, to make sure the numbers are reported properly. but the law says they have to do it.

I don't know if they toss them... so if you say its illegal then they don't. What i meant to say is the write ins will not appear in the papers or on TV. And I know they don't bother counting them in many places. Any way my homeboy that counted votes and came into my store yesterday said Ron Paul had something like 800 votes!!! But that was his guess based on the stack, not that they counted them.

 

[sailingaway]

Ya this ^^ I took snap shots of my polling location results tape after they posted it to the door for 12 hours. I have an appointment on the 17th @ the Election Office room 202, again (lol) to record result numbers - I'll also get snaps shot then too - like last time. I'll have Lebanon County Pennsylvania's total Ron Paul write-ins on the 17th.

Why they make me wait that long is beyond me, I should have just walked in there and requested on the spot. But from past visits I know they want me to make appointments.

I am going to contact the CA meetups I contacted to tell them Ron was a write in option in CA and ask that they bug their counties. It would be great if others who contacted meetups did the same!

I'll also offer to go in and count in my county, which might make them stay careful about their numbers. I don't actually think they will take me up on it, but they will know people care enough to follow up and might double check their numbers.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Send that info to deadpelican.com (or I will when I get back to my laptop). It's a news gathering site with mostly Louisiana stuff, but they've been favorable to us. I think the webmaster is a Ron Paul supporter.

 

[sailingaway]

Send that info to deadpelican.com (or I will when I get back to my laptop). It's a news gathering site with mostly Louisiana stuff, but they've been favorable to us. I think the webmaster is a Ron Paul supporter.

excellent idea!

 

[cajuncocoa]

I just sent the link to that Google doc.


FYI, if anyone else wants to contact them the correct URL is www.thedeadpelican.com