From DP: The Ron Paul Factor (vote tallies)

[sailingaway]

2012 Election Results – The Ron Paul Factor

Click for results document with clear tables: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6c_F0cRLqE-WVd2WkpUV0pVQ00

I simply make the case that our Ron Paul Primary voters, if they held true and did not vote for Romney and the fake GOP in the General Election, we would have been the deciding factor in 4 key states: New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

The final General Election numbers which were released on CNN.com compared the the Primary Election numbers released on CNN.com. RP voters would have taken 64 Electoral College votes from Obama and given them to Romney.

The GOPs active campaign to lie, cheat, steal and purposefully disenfranchise liberty voters ultimately cost them the election.

My goal was to draw a distinction, not make 'multiplier' affect assumptions based on where votes might have went. I simply don't know these metrics and guess what.... neither does anyone else.

Here are the straight numbers:

Row 1: States that Obama Won in the General Election
Row 2: Ron Paul Primary Votes Results
Row 3: Obama vs. Romney General Election Results
Row 4: The Ron Paul Factor
Row 5: State Electoral College Votes

Iowa | 26,036 | 88,629 D+ | No | 6
New Hampshire | 56,848 | 33,746 D+ | YES | 4
Florida | 117,100 | 46,039 D+ | YES | 29
Nevada | 6,175 | 66,379 D+ | No | 6
Colorado | 7,713 | 69,517 D+ | No | 9
Minnesota | 13,023 | 225,213 D+ | No | 10
Maine | 1,996 | 90,969 D+ | No | 4
Michigan | 115,956 | 346,376 D+ | No | 16
Washington | 12,594 | 239,950 D+ | No | 12
Massachusetts | 35,219 | 698,021 D+ | No | 11
Ohio | 113,256 | 100,763 D+ | YES | 18
Vermont | 15,391 | 101,335 D+ | No | 3
Virginia | 107,451 | 106,726 D+ | YES | 13
Illinois | 85,747 | 825,506 D+ | No | 20
DC | 621 | 204,995 D+ | No | 3
Maryland | 23,609 | 586,258 D+ | No | 10
Wisconsin | 87,858 | 201,702 D+ | No | 10
Connecticut | 8,032 | 229,145 D+ | No | 7
Delaware | 3,017 | 77,071 D+ | No | 3
New York | 27,699 | 1,640,969 D+| No | 29
Pennsylvania | 106,148 | 283,694 D+ | No | 20
Rhode Island | 3,473 | 116,169 D+ | No | 4
Oregon | 36,810 | 132,554 D+ | No | 7
California | 199,246 | 1,403,172 D+| No| 55
New Jersey | 24,017 | 559,398 D+ | No | 14
New Mexico | 9,363 | 78,596 D+ | No | 5
Hawaii | 1,712 | 183,596 D+ | No | 4

The Ron Paul Factor Electoral Votes: New Hampshire (4), Florida (29), Ohio (18), Virginia (13) = 64

Obama Total Electoral Votes: 303 (Minus 64 = 239)
Romney Total Electoral Votes: 206 (Plus 64 = 270)

THE LIBERTY VOTE WOULD HAVE WON THE PRESIDENCY FOR ROMNEY!

http://www.dailypaul.com/262076/the-ron-paul-factor-definitive-results-omg-its-true

 

[Veteran Citizen]

Now, lets think back a while, back to Ross Perot and Clinton. How much homage did Bill pay to The Perot supporters.

None.

Obama is bad for liberty. This is not a good thing. No one group screwed up in isolation, but it's all fucked up now. See ya at the FEMA camps.

 

[sailingaway]

No one thinks Obama is good. We're just analyzing data so we have it at our fingertips in trying to move people towards liberty.

 

[jmdrake]

And this will be reported on the DailyPaul (bless their wonderful interface), Ron Paul Forums, RevolutionBox and.......?

 

[sailingaway]

And this will be reported on the DailyPaul (bless their wonderful interface), Ron Paul Forums, RevolutionBox and.......?

we always knew that if the data favors us we have to get it out ourselves.

 

[jmdrake]

we always knew that if the data favors us we have to get it out ourselves.

Wrong. We always knew that if we relied on not voting or "writing in Ron Paul" we'd have to get it out ourselves. If we relied on voting 3rd party (Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, whoever) the media would do the job for us. Johnson and Goode's numbers have been reported. In 2000 the media was all over the fact that Ralph Nader cost Gore Florida. The media talked about how Ross Perot cost Bush the election when he was running against Clinton. So the media would talk our numbers if they were handed to them on a silver platter. Since you and others decided not to take the easy route for getting the numbers out, what's your plan for doing so?

 

[parocks]

Wrong. We always knew that if we relied on not voting or "writing in Ron Paul" we'd have to get it out ourselves. If we relied on voting 3rd party (Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, whoever) the media would do the job for us. Johnson and Goode's numbers have been reported. In 2000 the media was all over the fact that Ralph Nader cost Gore Florida. The media talked about how Ross Perot cost Bush the election when he was running against Clinton. So the media would talk our numbers if they were handed to them on a silver platter. Since you and others decided not to take the easy route for getting the numbers out, what's your plan for doing so?

can we find any write in ron paul numbers anywhere?

 

[jmdrake]

can we find any write in ron paul numbers anywhere?

It doesn't seem like it. Not even in the states where write-in votes supposedly "count". But hey, I'll take the Ron Paul primary tally as a proxy. That's great. Now we have to find a way to talk about this to more than ourselves.

 

[MelissaCato]

That's great. Now we have to find a way to talk about this to more than ourselves.

LOL Ya, because at this point all the Obama supporters think Romney lost because he put his dog on the roof of the car. LOL

 

[sailingaway]

Wrong. We always knew that if we relied on not voting or "writing in Ron Paul" we'd have to get it out ourselves. If we relied on voting 3rd party (Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, whoever) the media would do the job for us. Johnson and Goode's numbers have been reported. In 2000 the media was all over the fact that Ralph Nader cost Gore Florida. The media talked about how Ross Perot cost Bush the election when he was running against Clinton. So the media would talk our numbers if they were handed to them on a silver platter. Since you and others decided not to take the easy route for getting the numbers out, what's your plan for doing so?

seriously? Because I have only seen GJ mentioned here or at DP not in any of the articles I've read so far today.

 

[sailingaway]

can we find any write in ron paul numbers anywhere?

write in votes aren't counted for a while, some states have how much for write ins as a total group but the break outs won't be out for a while.

 

[Thor]

 

[phill4paul]

Individuals within the the GOP KNOW that the RP factor played a role. I probably won't be on FarceBook for much longer now that the election is over but believe me when I say that they are coming to understand what we have told them all along. THEY cannot win without us.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Now, lets think back a while, back to Ross Perot and Clinton. How much homage did Bill pay to The Perot supporters.

None.

Obama is bad for liberty. This is not a good thing. No one group screwed up in isolation, but it's all fucked up now. See ya at the FEMA camps.

Political pundits attribute Clinton's wins in 92 and 96 to Perot. Same for Bush with Nader (in Florida) in 2000.

The main goal is proving to the GOP that they NEED us. Its basically our candidate in 2016, or your SOL. Just like in 2008, and yesterday.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Realize that Florida hasn't been called yet, so it is only 35 you take away from Obama.

 

[Edward]

I simply make the case that our Ron Paul Primary voters, if they held true and did not vote for Romney and the fake GOP in the General Election, we would have been the deciding factor in 4 key states: New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

Big assumption there. I'm not sure why so many who are NOBP think that most of those who voted for Paul in the primaries were also NOBP.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

And the RP primary votes don't even account for the countless people I run into every time I wear a RP shirt that say, "Ron Paul? Too bad he didn't get the nomination. I would've voted for him."

 

[jmdrake]

seriously? Because I have only seen GJ mentioned here or at DP not in any of the articles I've read so far today.

Then you haven't looked very hard.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...0.316.782.2-2j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.WlFZLv35vFM

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8874959
http://tucsoncitizen.com/hispanic-p...the-1-pulling-for-romney-hows-that-for-irony/

I also take it that you must not have watched the election returns? Because Johnson, Goode and Steins numbers were on the screen along with Romney's and Obama's. The problem is that they weren't really large enough to have clearly affected the outcome. (They might have, but it's not nearly as clear as it was for Ross Perot or Ralph Nader). I'm wondering if you're being obtuse? The point that you seem to be avoiding is that if Ron Paul's "write in or stay at home votes" were really big enough to swing the election, and if those votes had actually gone to some recognizable 3rd party candidate, that would be plastered all over the news! As it stands, we're just "guestimating" about the Ron Paul "undervote". And we have no clear plan to make sure the word gets out.

 

[sailingaway]

Then you haven't looked very hard.
.

I didn't look specifically for gJ at all, which is the point. we are talking about what the ordinary voter would see. When I looked at just the google headlines, and watched fox last night until it was clear Obama was winning and they were just trying not to be sick, I never once saw GJ mentioned. when I initially looked at Ron's stuff in news articles I didn't either. It wasn't until I went to the non google news blogs and searched for Ron that I saw anything about gary. Now if I had searched Gary I'm sure I'd have found stuff, but that is searching. Once you get to people who will search for it, they will find what we gather. However, I dont think that many will have written in Ron in ways that will be counted. It is something some of us who were not going to vote for Gj in any event wanted to do. You seem to have a projection of entitlement I just don't get, if people simply don't want to encourage the LP to run candidates they don't personally like. the LP wouldn't have gotten more attention if those who wrote in Ron voted for GJ, in my opinion, but even if it had, you havn't convinced me that does anything I would particularly want. I think most who supported Ron and aren't plugged in would have not voted, would have written him in on their own, or voted for a fall back, of which gary was one available. But GJ didn't excite people to support him and some absolutely didn't want to support him. I don't get being pissed at someone for voting for the person they actually want.

 

[acptulsa]

And the RP primary votes don't even account for the countless people I run into every time I wear a RP shirt that say, "Ron Paul? Too bad he didn't get the nomination. I would've voted for him."

Yes, Ron Paul would have thumped Obama. No, that doesn't mean we could have handed it to Romney.

I think it's important for us to remember this fact, as it isn't us but Constitutional, principled conservatism that will save the GOP. We need to stop being arrogant and take a clear eyed look at where our true strength lies. Otherwise, we're in danger of becoming as coopted as the bulk of the GOP is. And we can't save this nation from there.