Freedom's Ground--it has been awhile...

[szczebrzeszyn]

It is one of the most insane things I have heard in a long time. I could see spending the EXTRA cash on an over priced logo. But the fact is they are having a hard time even raising money for the logo.

Well, they sound like they want to spend plenty of money. They talk about even $10,000 for the logo ? I could make a whole webpage + logo for that or even less hehe...And I'm not cheap! Talk about proportions!
But I'm fine with it, if they find folks willing to sponsor their $2,000+ logo.

 

[lastnymleft]

Katherine,

It seems to me a broad distinction might be that LVMI is the more theoretical, high-end institute, best for scholars, and other serious students of freedom policies, and FG is the more practical, mass-populace organization, best for the general public, and others making their first steps towards freedom-thinking. On that basis, my suggestion of some sort of high-end training program for potential representatives would be best located within the auspices of the LVMI, or similar. It'd be great if we could get an actual university to provide a course. Imagine being able to vote for a representative whom graduated summa cum laude in Freedom! Hmm. I wonder how much it takes to sponsor a "Chair" at one of these places. Of course, finding the right institution to host it would be crucial. There wouldn't be many (any?) that aren't fully corrupted by collectivist mindsets, at this point.





Did you end up trying the folks over at http://www.worth1000.com/cdir.asp?display=jackpot&filter=f.format_id=4 for your logo set? Prices are typically an order of magnitude lower, and I don't think you even HAVE to pick a winner, if you don't get any that are suitable.

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[ItsTime]

It seems they have their mind set. So Ill move on to other projects more feasible and grounded in reality.

Well, they sound like they want to spend plenty of money. They talk about even $10,000 for the logo ? I could make a whole webpage + logo for that or even less hehe...And I'm not cheap! Talk about proportions!
But I'm fine with it, if they find folks willing to sponsor their $2,000+ logo.

 

[Mckarnin]

If logo is $2,000 at minimum, how much you want to pay for the whole website? $20,000 ? I'm in!

Actually it looks like we have a talented group of people who may be able to do the website at a really steep discount. We'll see if they have the time to get it done for us.

 

[Mckarnin]

It is one of the most insane things I have heard in a long time. I could see spending the EXTRA cash on an over priced logo. But the fact is they are having a hard time even raising money for the logo.

Everyone is having a hard time raising money for anything right now. The Congressional candidates have been having lean money bombs, other initiatives are having a hard time raising money. People seem a bit tapped out right now and it's understandable. We have raised $2500 so far and most of it has been for and gone to legal work. That is why we made the logo a separate chip in so that only those who think logo work is worthwhile have their money go towards it.

 

[Mckarnin]

Well, they sound like they want to spend plenty of money. They talk about even $10,000 for the logo ? I could make a whole webpage + logo for that or even less hehe...And I'm not cheap! Talk about proportions!
But I'm fine with it, if they find folks willing to sponsor their $2,000+ logo.

Hey, if you do logo/web work professionally and have a portfolio/sample websites and artwork send it our way. We would happily pay less, as long as we don't have to sacrifice quality, particularly to someone within the movement. We just haven't had any luck with logo volunteers and have just started getting a few volunteers/substantial discount offering web design folks. Oh and BTW, the logo is not going to cost over $2,000 period. The question is, can we get what we want for less than that? :

[email protected]

 

[Mckarnin]

LastNY--Your broad distinction is an accurate one. We really are trying to become a front line ambassadorial and educational group for the freedom movement. It is likely that many of the people we initiate will go on to find and join other groups in addition to FG once they get going on their journey.

Perhaps we can collaborate with LVMI and other groups that are a bit more on the academic side and work together to create the more advanced courses. I think any "degree" in freedom would probably be an amalgam of strong free market economics courses, foreign policy courses, a study of the tax system, health/energy/education choice, obviously the Constitution...finding an uncorrupted institution would be difficult though. Perhaps as our movement grows we can eventually found a study center and have chairs for people who are distinguished in the areas we want to educate people in. Perhaps a one-year apprenticeship program that is compatible with part-time work and an intensive summer program where you work like a dog to do it all in a few months. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Katherine,

It seems to me a broad distinction might be that LVMI is the more theoretical, high-end institute, best for scholars, and other serious students of freedom policies, and FG is the more practical, mass-populace organization, best for the general public, and others making their first steps towards freedom-thinking. On that basis, my suggestion of some sort of high-end training program for potential representatives would be best located within the auspices of the LVMI, or similar. It'd be great if we could get an actual university to provide a course. Imagine being able to vote for a representative whom graduated summa cum laude in Freedom! Hmm. I wonder how much it takes to sponsor a "Chair" at one of these places. Of course, finding the right institution to host it would be crucial. There wouldn't be many (any?) that aren't fully corrupted by collectivist mindsets, at this point.





Did you end up trying the folks over at http://www.worth1000.com/cdir.asp?display=jackpot&filter=f.format_id=4 for your logo set? Prices are typically an order of magnitude lower, and I don't think you even HAVE to pick a winner, if you don't get any that are suitable.

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[Mckarnin]

It seems they have their mind set. So Ill move on to other projects more feasible and grounded in reality.

I understand your concerns. Believe me, we are trying to keep initial costs as low as possible. A lot of things have been cut back or eliminated already. We are investigating to see if the logo can be done differently with a little outside the box thought. Check back in a few months from now...I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

Hey, if you do logo/web work professionally and have a portfolio/sample websites and artwork send it our way.

I don't create designs/logos, but I've been doing the rest of the web professionally for the past 8 years and only wanted to point out the ridiculous pricing (obiously, I know the designers too). I mean the context, you're not an another Pepsi or some commercial start-up, right? Have you looked for any freelance designer? I don't believe good logos cost $2,000+ in US (or anywhere in the world).

 

[pmbug]

...Lady Liberty with a gun has gotten a lot of positive feedback wherever she is worn.

I'd like one without the words on top and bottom. I think the image speaks for itself. Are they available in white for those of us in warmer climates?

 

[DeadtoSin]

My main reason for not donating any money is because the wording on the site seems ambiguous for what the site will be doing after it is built. I would like to know a little bit more of what Freedom's Ground will be doing after it gets up and running.

 

[dannno]

wow, i am totally in love with the female model on your site..

and i am definitely picking up a "freedom is back" shirt

 

[raystone]

Haven't seen much objective critique of this organization...

One question is $4k chipin needed for "creation of a professional logo". (per website info)

Seems there are graphic artists Ron Paul followers that would donate their time for this. It also seems like a high amount especially considering... "All of the preliminary work has been done and basic concepts have been chosen". At estimated $50/hr, that's 80 hours to finish up a logo. The title says logo/website, but the description is all logo.

the homepage is already outdated, making this corporation seem like a nonstarter.

I love the concept but it's a duplicate effort of already established educational efforts, e.g., Some of these are combo educational/activism

www.civilrights.org
www.ccrjustice.org
www.notinourname.net
www.declarationofpeace.org
www.bordc.org
www.downsizedc.org
www.commondreams.org
www.truthout.org
www.globalresources.ca
www.takebackwashington.org

 

[Knightskye]

I like the idea, but I'm not sure about the name. I was thinking "www.GiveMeLiberty.org".

wow, i am totally in love with the female model on your site.

It's her, by the way.

 

[Uncle_Rahn]

Yo Katherine

Katherine,

You Go Go Go! And keep going, don't look back, don't wait for approval or support, just do it!

I miss your show on FreeMediaNetworks.com Have you made a new schedule yet?

You have the Talant and the Drive to get this done. All thats needed is persistance.
You are a beautiful Daughter of the Revolution and will do great things I'm sure!

Keep it up, and I'm here you help with anu issue I can... although you have gotten so good as a broadcaster I doubt you need my help!

Uncle_Rahn

 

[patriot2008]

You once said you differ from Ron Paul on some issues. Could you elaborate on that?
I have heard several say this is too Vague.

Don't get me wrong, I strongly support you being motivated in doing what you are. I am just telling you what I have thought and what others have said.

 

[Soccrmastr]

I'd get a lady liberty w/ gun shirt if it wasnt so expensive. I rly like it lol. good luck to you guys!

 

[Soccrmastr]

Haven't seen much objective critique of this organization...

One question is $4k chipin needed for "creation of a professional logo". (per website info)

Seems there are graphic artists Ron Paul followers that would donate their time for this. It also seems like a high amount especially considering... "All of the preliminary work has been done and basic concepts have been chosen". At estimated $50/hr, that's 80 hours to finish up a logo. The title says logo/website, but the description is all logo.

the homepage is already outdated, making this corporation seem like a nonstarter.

I love the concept but it's a duplicate effort of already established educational efforts, e.g., Some of these are combo educational/activism

www.civilrights.org
www.ccrjustice.org
www.notinourname.net
www.declarationofpeace.org
www.bordc.org
www.downsizedc.org
www.commondreams.org
www.truthout.org
www.globalresources.ca
www.takebackwashington.org

+1. Stuff like this is already being done or have already been established. Why spend all the time starting another.

 

[nelsonwinters]

Haven't seen much objective critique of this organization...

One question is $4k chipin needed for "creation of a professional logo". (per website info)

Seems there are graphic artists Ron Paul followers that would donate their time for this. It also seems like a high amount especially considering... "All of the preliminary work has been done and basic concepts have been chosen". At estimated $50/hr, that's 80 hours to finish up a logo. The title says logo/website, but the description is all logo.

the homepage is already outdated, making this corporation seem like a nonstarter.

I love the concept but it's a duplicate effort of already established educational efforts, e.g., Some of these are combo educational/activism

www.civilrights.org
www.ccrjustice.org
www.notinourname.net
www.declarationofpeace.org
www.bordc.org
www.downsizedc.org
www.commondreams.org
www.truthout.org
www.globalresources.ca
www.takebackwashington.org

As I understood it, Freedom's Ground was going to be an educational site for newbies to the ideas of peace, liberty and prosperity. There's a new site coming out soon that will be getting a lot of new people curious about these ideas and it would be great to have a site like Freedom's Ground to send them to.