Freedom in One State: The Free State Project

[Schiff_FTW]

Don't call the cops or fire department in New Hampshire, unless you're willing to risk getting sued.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120312/NEWS07/703129960

EPPING — The town's deputy fire chief is urging residents not to stop calling for help for fear of being sued if a firefighter or other emergency worker is injured on the job.

The message came in response to concerns over a state Supreme Court ruling last month that found former volunteer Epping firefighter Jason Antosz could sue a homeowner because he slipped on ice and snow and was seriously injured during a call.

“If you call us we're going to come — don't worry about us suing you. We have a job to do,” Deputy Fire Chief Bruce Chapman told selectmen at a board meeting last week.

The case involving Antosz stemmed from a call he responded to at the Epping home of Doree Allain on Jan. 29, 2008, after a fire was reported in a water heater. Antosz slipped on packed ice and snow in the driveway and is now disabled.

Antosz, a Republican state representative, filed suit against Allain, claiming she was negligent for failing to properly treat the driveway, but a Rockingham County Superior Court judge dismissed the case, citing the Fireman's Rule, a law that prevents emergency personnel from bringing lawsuits when they're injured while responding to a call.

The state Supreme Court overturned the ruling last month, saying it can't stop an emergency responder from suing “for other negligent conduct.” The court ruled that the Fireman's Rule “permits a firefighter to pursue causes of action for injuries arising from allegedly negligent conduct that did not create the occasion of his visit, regardless of whether that conduct occurs during or prior to the firefighter's official engagement on the scene.”

This ruling might actually turn out to be a good thing, in that hopefully now fewer people will utilize / be dependent on these services.

 

[tfurrh]

Why is NH not a right to work state? Do I have to join a Labor Union to work in NH?

 

[flynn]

Can we pick a warmer state... New hampshire is small and geographically preferred. But I would like a warmer climate and bigger land to play with.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Why is NH not a right to work state? Do I have to join a Labor Union to work in NH?

It used to be a right to work state. That only lasted a few years. You don't have to join a union to work in NH. I am not sure if even one of the 100s of liberty activists I do activism with in NH is a member of a union. For example, the main bread company is based in Maine and is non-unionized. So while I know people that deliver bread, they are not part of a union.

There was a big effort by some to make NH a right to work state last year. It failed by 12 votes in the NH House to overturn Gov. Lynch's veto. There is another bill to make NH right to work this year. It is worded differently. There is another bill to bring about right to work for attorneys. If it passed, it would mean that attorneys don't have to join the bar association.

The right to work issue isn't a major issue in NH, or wasn't until last year.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Can we pick a warmer state... New hampshire is small and geographically preferred. But I would like a warmer climate and bigger land to play with.

I agree that NH is the best possible state, or perhaps you didn't say that But seriously, it was already selected by many (most?) of the top liberty activists in the county at the time. Over 1000 people have already moved there. Clearly it is way too late to select a different state for many of the people involved.

I don't understand your comment about needing bigger land to play with. What does that mean? You want to buy 1 million acres or something? Already anyone lives in most of NH. It is just endless mountains, hill, streams, forests and lakes. NH is connected to VT which is mostly the same and Maine. Parts of Maine don't even have government roads because there is no one around to fund them. I really have no idea where you are coming from.

 

[Crotale]

I think this video reenforced the idea that the FSP in NH is a good idea. The first interviewer is Bradley Jardis, a blogger for Free Keene, among other things. He used to be a cop. After talking with FSP movers, he joined Law Enforcement Against Prohibition as one of just a couple active duty (still a cop) members in the world. He eventually left LEAP because the organization thought he was too pro-liberty. He quit his job as a cop because he couldn't handle getting paid to mistreating people every day. He lives in NH and is engaged to a liberty activist that moved to NH as part of the FSP.

The second interviewer is Adam of Adam Vs. The Man. Adam filmed an episode of his TV show at Porcfest. He came up to do another episode partly about the NH Primary. He traveled up to Keene, NH and co-hosted Free Talk Live for a week.

In the interview, both interviewers are hostile to the woman. It isn't surprising that she is hostile to them. It isn't surprising that she supports Mitt Romney. He is the mainstream Republican candidate in NH. I prefer a culture where someone with Romney's views in the mainstream Republican candidate than somewhere where someone with Gingrich's or Santorum's views in the mainstream GOP candidate. I think the vast majority of pro-liberty people agree with that thought. Gingrich is insane as far as I can tell. Santorum acts extremely religious and frequently says he is against liberty and libertarianism.

I don't disagree pal. I was posting it in jest, that video will never get old.

 

[flynn]

I agree that NH is the best possible state, or perhaps you didn't say that But seriously, it was already selected by many (most?) of the top liberty activists in the county at the time. Over 1000 people have already moved there. Clearly it is way too late to select a different state for many of the people involved.

I don't understand your comment about needing bigger land to play with. What does that mean? You want to buy 1 million acres or something? Already anyone lives in most of NH. It is just endless mountains, hill, streams, forests and lakes. NH is connected to VT which is mostly the same and Maine. Parts of Maine don't even have government roads because there is no one around to fund them. I really have no idea where you are coming from.

Ops, my bad, I should have emphasized that 'big' in term of population.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Ops, my bad, I should have emphasized that 'big' in term of population.

Boston is less than 30 minutes south of Salem, NH if you drive at a time when there is very little traffic on the road. The Boston train line reaches all the way up to Haverhill, MA, a town that borders Salem, NH. Dozens of places are within an hours drive of Boston with those conditions. The Boston MSA, which includes a few places in NH as well as part of RI, includes around 5 million people. There are buses from Nashua, Concord and other parts of NH that run to Boston and back. There is a train line from Portland, ME to Boston that stops 10 times per day at 3 towns (30 total stops per day) in NH.

Winchester, NH to New York City is a 3 hours and 41 mins drive according to maps.google.com. Greyhound/Peter Pan takes less than 6 hours to go from Keene, NH to Times Square in New York City. There is a train line that runs along the VT/NH border in Vermont that goes to Washington DC. Stops along with train line in VT are 2 minutes from Hinsdale, NH, 6 minutes from Chesterfield, NH, 1 minutes from Walpole, NH, 5 minutes from Cornish, NH, 3 minutes from Lebanon, NH and so on. From the Hinsdale/Chesterfield area train station to New York City it takes 5 hr, 53 min., to Philly it takes 7 hr, 32min. and to Washington DC it takes 9 hr, 44 min. Both Lebanon, NH and Lancaster, NH (where Porcfest happens) are 3 hr, 20 min. from Montreal, the 2nd most populated city in Canada with 1.6 million people and an MSA of 3.8 million people.

Since moving to NH, I've been to Boston and New York City 5-10 times each. I'm not the only that goes, either. I know people that go to concerts and sporting events in Boston. I know people that go to Broadway shows in NYC. I was at Times Square for the Super Bowel, for example. Liberty lovers carpool to both cities and Philadelphia for various events. Boston has one of the largest marijuana festivals in the US. Big name liberty speakers frequent Boston and NYC. Liberty lovers commute to Student for Liberty events, End the Fed events, Anarchist Book fairs, Occupy events and more in those cities.

I'm been in the Springfield, MA MSA (700,000 people) a few times for work and pleasure. Springfield is 50 minutes from Winchester, NH and the University of Massachusetts (home of Extravaganja, a 2000+ person marijuana festival) is only 40 minutes from Winchester, NH. I've also been to the Albany, NY MSA (800,000+ people) a few times for work and pleasure. Albany is 80 miles from the NH border.

 

[flynn]

Boston is less than 30 minutes south of Salem, NH if you drive at a time when there is very little traffic on the road. The Boston train line reaches all the way up to Haverhill, MA, a town that borders Salem, NH. Dozens of places are within an hours drive of Boston with those conditions. The Boston MSA, which includes a few places in NH as well as part of RI, includes around 5 million people. There are buses from Nashua, Concord and other parts of NH that run to Boston and back. There is a train line from Portland, ME to Boston that stops 10 times per day a 3 towns (30 total stops per day) in NH.

Winchester, NH to New York City is a 3 hours and 41 mins drive according to maps.google.com. Greyhound/Peter Pan takes less than 6 hours to go from Keene, NH to Times Square in New York City. There is a train line that runs along the VT/NH border in Vermont that goes to Washington DC. Stops long with train line in VT are 2 minutes from Hinsdale, NH, 6 minutes from Chesterfield, NH, 1 minutes from Walpole, NH, 5 minutes from Cornish, NH, 3 minutes from Lebanon, NH and so on. From the Hinsdale/Chesterfield area train station to New York City it takes 5 hr, 53 min., to Philly it takes 7 hr, 32min. and to Washington DC it takes 9 hr, 44 min. Both Lebanon, NH and Lancaster, NH (where Porcfest happens) are 3 hr, 20 min. from Montreal, the 2nd most populated city in Canada with 1.6 million people and an MSA of 3.8 million people.

Since moving to NH, I've been to Boston and New York City 5-10 times each. I'm not the only that goes, either. I know people that go to concerts and sporting events in Boston. I know people that go to Broadway shows in NYC. I was at Times Square for the Super Bowel, for example. Liberty lovers carpool to both cities and Philadelphia for various events. Boston has one of the largest marijuana festivals in the US. Big name liberty speakers frequent Boston and NYC. Liberty lovers commute to Student for Liberty events, End the Fed events, Anarchist Book fairs, Occupy events and more in those cities.

I'm been in the Springfield, MA MSA (700,000 people) a few times for work and pleasure. Springfield is 50 minutes from the Winchester, NH and The University of Massachusetts (home of Extravaganja, a 2000+ person marijuana festival) is only 40 minutes from Winchester, NH. I've also been to the Albany, NY MSA (800,000+ people) a few times for work and pleasure. Albany is 80 miles from the NH border.

How's the weather though?

 

[Nathan Hale]

Wife & I are seriously considering this......

Best state in the union, absolutely worth going. I was an early mover with the FSP back in 03 and had to leave, but I'm making my way back in another year or two.

 

[Nathan Hale]

And folks, remember that winning over the USA, as we're finding out, is a tough job. But one state, especially a low-population state like NH, isn't so hard. NH already has a libertarian ethic, and when each of us moves, we're not just going to vote, we're going to be activists. And one activist is worth quite a lot of voters. Jason Sorens estimated that 20,000 would be sufficient for the project, but there were those of us who thought 1,000 or 5,000 would get the job done. Considering the organizations formed in the early years after the state was chosen, I consider the lower targets spot-on.

We might not be able to win over America, but if we band together we can win a state. And if the US keeping marching down the path to destruction, we can always leverage our state and choose not to follow.

 

[bluesc]

Someone wanna sponsor me from the UK ?

 

[Keith and stuff]

How's the weather though?

Temperature wise, Salem, NH (on the NH/MA border) is like Chicago, IL. Temperature wise, Haverhill, NH (northern NH) is similar to Minneapolis, MN. It gets really cold and windy on some of the larger mountains in the winter. For example, Mount Washington.

If you want to be near a lot of people, you will likely be in far southern NH. It's similar to Chicago though less windy, except in the mountains.

 

[TCE]

This is concerning: http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-new-hampshire-debt-clock.html

When will the debt be paid off?

 

[flynn]

Temperature wise, Salem, NH (on the NH/MA border) is like Chicago, IL. Temperature wise, Haverhill, NH (northern NH) is similar to Minneapolis, MN. It gets really cold and winding on some of the larger mountains in the winter. For example, Mount Washington.

If you want to be near a lot of people, you will likely be in far southern NH. It's similar to Chicago though less windy, except in the mountains.

Cool good to know. Thanks

 

[Telomerase]

And folks, remember that winning over the USA, as we're finding out, is a tough job. But one state, especially a low-population state like NH, isn't so hard. NH already has a libertarian ethic, and when each of us moves, we're not just going to vote, we're going to be activists. And one activist is worth quite a lot of voters. Jason Sorens estimated that 20,000 would be sufficient for the project, but there were those of us who thought 1,000 or 5,000 would get the job done. Considering the organizations formed in the early years after the state was chosen, I consider the lower targets spot-on.

We might not be able to win over America, but if we band together we can win a state. And if the US keeping marching down the path to destruction, we can always leverage our state and choose not to follow.

All true IMHO. We need a "demo" to prove that capitalism can work (and socialists need one to prove that it doesn't, so they should help us . NH is a lot bigger than Hong Kong and has a much more pro-liberty underlying culture... think of a Hong Kong or Liechtenstein the size of New Hampshire, that's where we're heading.

 

[tfurrh]

And folks, remember that winning over the USA, as we're finding out, is a tough job. But one state, especially a low-population state like NH, isn't so hard. NH already has a libertarian ethic, and when each of us moves, we're not just going to vote, we're going to be activists. And one activist is worth quite a lot of voters. Jason Sorens estimated that 20,000 would be sufficient for the project, but there were those of us who thought 1,000 or 5,000 would get the job done. Considering the organizations formed in the early years after the state was chosen, I consider the lower targets spot-on.

We might not be able to win over America, but if we band together we can win a state. And if the US keeping marching down the path to destruction, we can always leverage our state and choose not to follow.

These are exactly the reasons why my wife and I are heavily looking into this.

 

[Crotale]

Someone wanna sponsor me from the UK ?

Please don't go.....there's not many of us as it is.

 

[Telomerase]

If you want to be near a lot of people, you will likely be in far southern NH. It's similar to Chicago

Manchester isn't much like Chicago otherwise, though... little crime, convenient airport, easy access to nice parks.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

If you were to move now, you'd probably feel like a drop in a sea, ya. This is because people like myself, and 11,000 others like me, haven't moved there yet, and are waiting for the full 20,000 pledges....I can only imagine what they could do with 20,000.

The project will not ever get 20,000 movers. The project made a few mistakes early on. No aspersions toward the project managers -- it had never been done before. Also, a whole state is too large. I am seriously thinking of starting a version 2.0 project, a free county/township project, after the Ron Paul campaign is over. We will take some of the lessons learned from the Free State Project and learn from them, and do things better.

Stay tuned.