Free State Wyoming vs. Free State Project (New Hampshire)

[eduardo89]

What percentage of FSP people in NH are Ron Paul supporters?

 

[gls]

All you NH freestaters... Why isn't Ron doing well there? Is the movement so divided that they can't get behind the only shot at a true liberty candidate?

If they can, why aren't all you so-called liberty activists doing some activism and going out and knocking on doors on Pauls behalf?

If you are, why isn't your activism working?

Most Free Staters are focused on local and state issues and in that regard they have been extremely successful over the last few years.

As far as the primaries go, the general public in New Hampshire as just as susceptible to the establishment media propaganda as the rest of the country.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Most Free Staters are focused on local and state issues and in that regard they have been extremely successful over the last few years.

As far as the primaries go, the general public in New Hampshire as just as susceptible to the establishment media propaganda as the rest of the country.

This worries me. Also, apparently NH is full of liberal douchebags. That also worries me.

 

[Keith and stuff]

One is to move to a state with a good economy where i can have a stable full time job. Another is for that state to among the most free and Constitutional. Also i would like a political climate that is ripe for the picking. Where us liberty minded people can gain a foothold and take over. And hopefully from there be able to influence the national scene and direct it back to adhering to the Constitution. No single state can do this but if done correctly it can create a domino effect.

And yes I do plan to run for political office there

Thankfully for you, NH is already all of the things you are looking for. It has the lowest unemployment in the East (east of the MS River.) It is the only state with low unemployment that doesn't have a huge mining or in the case of ND, SD and NE, a huge farming community that relies on government welfare. In fact, NH is one of the most independent states in the US from federal handouts along with CT and a few other states where people tend to have a lot of money.

NH is the freest state in the US and it is widely known in the liberty community for this. My guess is 80% of the posters here, for example, when asked, would say NH is the freest state. I guess some people could disagree and suggest that it is the 2nd or 3rd freest state but the stats don't back that up. The stats clearly show NH as the freest state.

NH is easily the most easy to influence towards liberty of all of the states. In NH, state rep, state sen, governor and the executive council are all elected every 2 years. Does any other state even have an executive council? It is a 5 person body that exists solely to limit the power of the governor and expansion of government in NH. There are 400 state reps in NH (one rep per ever 3300 people) and they only make $100 per year. In small towns in NH, people vote on the town budget line by line.

If you want to get elected to office in NH, I can help. I've been involved with dozens of campaigns, most of them in NH. In fact, I've already posted excellent advice on this forum about how to get elected in to high office (state rep) in NH, http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...a-Politician&p=3597863&viewfull=1#post3597863

 

[Travlyr]

In order to live free, honest sound money is required no matter in what State you live. The Free State Projects must embrace this fundamental concept if they wish to succeed.

Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity. -- Ron Paul

 

[acptulsa]

I definitely have more faith in New Hampshire than in the state that elected Dick Cheney.

That said, I also have to say that so far as liberty issues are concerned Wyoming lives in a much safer neighborhood. Not many Massholes lurking around.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Thankfully for you, NH is already all of the things you are looking for. It has the lowest unemployment in the East (east of the MS River.) It is the only state with low unemployment that doesn't have a huge mining or in the case of ND, SD and NE, a huge farming community that relies on government welfare. In fact, NH is one of the most independent states in the US from federal handouts along with CT and a few other states where people tend to have a lot of money.

NH is the freest state in the US and it is widely known in the liberty community for this. My guess is 80% of the posters here, for example, when asked, would say NH is the freest state. I guess some people could disagree and suggest that it is the 2nd or 3rd freest state but the stats don't back that up. The stats clearly show NH as the freest state.

NH is easily the most easy to influence towards liberty of all of the states. In NH, state rep, state sen, governor and the executive council are all elected every 2 years. Does any other state even have an executive council? It is a 5 person body that exists solely to limit the power of the governor and expansion of government in NH. There are 400 state reps in NH (one rep per ever 3300 people) and they only make $100 per year. In small towns in NH, people vote on the town budget line by line.

If you want to get elected to office in NH, I can help. I've been involved with dozens of campaigns, most of them in NH. In fact, I've already posted excellent advice on this forum about how to get elected in to high office (state rep) in NH, http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...a-Politician&p=3597863&viewfull=1#post3597863

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure. It would show me that they are pretending to be their own country and aren't concerned enough with national politics to realize that if Ron isn't elected all they have done will be torn to shreds.

 

[Travlyr]

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure. It would show me that they are pretending to be their own country and aren't concerned enough with national politics to realize that if Ron isn't elected all they have done will be torn to shreds.

For sure.

A free State would definitely overwhelmingly vote for Ron Paul given the current candidates for president.

 

[eduardo89]

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure. It would show me that they are pretending to be their own country and aren't concerned enough with national politics to realize that if Ron isn't elected all they have done will be torn to shreds.

The FSP is only 1000 people out of a state population of 1.2 million!

 

[Eric21ND]

Ron Paul has a good following up here. He got around 25% of the vote last time and won 5 delegates...the most from any one state.

 

[TonySutton]

Here is another:

https://www.facebook.com/southeastlibertyproject

 

[gls]

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure.

I'm sure the activists there will be heartbroken lol

 

[John F Kennedy III]

The FSP is only 1000 people out of a state population of 1.2 million!

One of the reasons I said that is the following quote:

Most Free Staters are focused on local and state issues and in that regard they have been extremely successful over the last few years.

As far as the primaries go, the general public in New Hampshire as just as susceptible to the establishment media propaganda as the rest of the country.

And if you really have a problem with me saying the NH FSP is a failure just replace it with "NH is a failure". Since if the supposedly most free state doesn't vote for Ron then all of what I said holds true.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Here is another:

https://www.facebook.com/southeastlibertyproject

Nice.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I'm sure the activists there will be heartbroken lol

Lol. Of course they won't be. But it will prove they are not taking this in the correct direction.

 

[Jeremy]

Ron Paul has a good following up here. He got around 25% of the vote last time and won 5 delegates...the most from any one state.

He did not get 25% of the vote, but he still has a lot of supporters.

 

[ronpaulnh2012]

The FSP is only 1000 people out of a state population of 1.2 million!

This. New Hampshire is the most liberty-friendly state in the country. The Free State Project is one of the most powerful libertarian concepts of our time. Yet, contrary to the assertion that we're pretending to be our own country, we fully realize that we don't exist in a vacuum, and in fact have very little leverage to change things on a federal level.

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure. It would show me that they are pretending to be their own country and aren't concerned enough with national politics to realize that if Ron isn't elected all they have done will be torn to shreds.

High expectations, considering Ron Paul is still barely breaking into the double digits anywhere, despite huge efforts from committed supporters. Again, New Hampshire is awesome but we have no special immunity to the mainstream media bias, special interest groups, and PACs raising hundreds of millions for other candidates, which are all focusing their money on beating Ron Paul in NH (versus the Ron Paul campaign which says it can't even afford to put up signs in NH...)

 

[BamaAla]

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure. It would show me that they are pretending to be their own country and aren't concerned enough with national politics to realize that if Ron isn't elected all they have done will be torn to shreds.

There are only about 1200 "early movers." They are not going to sway a statewide election...yet. They have been really successful on a micro level which seems to be more of their goal.

As of now, I have not pledged to move because I have too good of a job here to consider relocation, but with circumstances as they are right now, I may be joining them before too long.

 

[studebaker]

Based on that one issue it appears that all states have failed not only NH. I know of no FSP supporter who would claim NH is a "Free" state just one of the "freest" that's why we come here. I for one stopped complaining in CT and came to help set the corner stone in NH to make it freer yet for those who wish to move later.

One of the reasons I said that is the following quote:



And if you really have a problem with me saying the NH FSP is a failure just replace it with "NH is a failure". Since if the supposedly most free state doesn't vote for Ron then all of what I said holds true.

 

[Keith and stuff]

If Ron Paul doesn't win NH I will consider the NH FSP a complete failure. It would show me that they are pretending to be their own country and aren't concerned enough with national politics to realize that if Ron isn't elected all they have done will be torn to shreds.

The FSP is about politics, it is just a bus to get liberty activists to move to NH. Liberty politics isn't about Ron Paul. We are not pretending to our own country.

I am somewhat concerned with national politics but in my opinion local politics is far more important. The vast majority of the laws the control my life are local laws. Almost all of the government enforces in NH are local, not national. I spend maybe 10 hours a week doing national liberty activism and 40 doing local liberty activism. Your opinion may vary.