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[BeFranklin]

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FYI: Freerepublic and other neo-con places, like Fox News, were censuring the pedophile scandal when it occurred. One of the results is the person most responsible for covering up the pedophile scandal, Ratzinger, is now the pope of the Roman Catholic church! Ratzinger committed crimes in the United States by doing what he did, which includes obstruction and conspiracy (beyond the stories that claim he is also a pedophile).

The neo-con places covered it up. Fox News and the various affiliated commentators are all roman catholics, Murdoch was knighted by the catholic church; and as I recall most of the commentators are catholic as well - Hannity, O'reilly, ect. Its also the most direct connection with other sites that linked their flag to Fox at the time - ie drudge, newsmax. Which I suppose is a direct reason for them covering up the pedophile scandal. Although it is not a causal link, it is interesting to note that those are also the most anti-paul sites and most pro-neocons. The neocon movement is very similar to the religious intolerance of the crusades started by the roman catholic church. The doctrine of pre-emptive war is also very similar to the justification used for the inquisitions. Its the same murderous spirit.

However, the ability to cover up the most massive rapes of little boys in history is POLITICAL POWER. Its the same power that
we are fighting on other fronts. Its the same people.

Pope 'obstructed' sex abuse inquiry

Confidential letter reveals Ratzinger ordered bishops to keep allegations secret

Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday April 24, 2005
The Observer

Pope Benedict XVI faced claims last night he had 'obstructed justice' after it emerged he issued an order ensuring the church's investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secret.

The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.

It asserted the church's right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the
victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was elected as John Paul II's successor last week.


Lawyers acting for abuse victims claim it was designed to prevent the allegations from becoming public knowledge or being investigated by the police. They accuse Ratzinger of committing a 'clear obstruction of justice'.

The letter, 'concerning very grave sins', was sent from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican office that once presided over the Inquisition and was overseen by Ratzinger.

It spells out to bishops the church's position on a number of matters ranging from celebrating the eucharist with a non-Catholic to sexual abuse by a cleric 'with a minor below the age of 18 years'. Ratzinger's letter states that the church can claim jurisdiction in cases where abuse has been 'perpetrated with a minor by a cleric'.

The letter states that the church's jurisdiction 'begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age' and lasts for 10 years.

It orders that 'preliminary investigations' into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger's office, which has the option of referring them back to private tribunals in which the 'functions of judge, promoter of justice, notary and legal representative can validly be performed for these cases only by priests'.

'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication.

The letter is referred to in documents relating to a lawsuit filed earlier this year against a church in Texas and Ratzinger on behalf of two alleged abuse victims. By sending the letter, lawyers acting for the alleged victims claim the cardinal conspired to obstruct justice.

Daniel Shea, the lawyer for the two alleged victims who discovered the letter, said: 'It speaks for itself. You have to ask: why do you not start the clock ticking until the kid turns 18? It's an obstruction of justice.'

Father John Beal, professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America, gave an oral deposition under oath on 8 April last year in which he admitted to Shea that the letter extended the church's jurisdiction and control over sexual assault crimes.

The Ratzinger letter was co-signed by Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone who gave an interview two years ago in which he hinted at the church's opposition to allowing outside agencies to investigate abuse claims.

'In my opinion, the demand that a bishop be obligated to contact the police in order to denounce a priest who has admitted the offence of paedophilia is unfounded,' Bertone said.

Shea criticised the order that abuse allegations should be investigated only in secret tribunals. 'They are imposing procedures and secrecy on these cases. If law enforcement agencies find out about the case, they can deal with it. But you can't investigate a case if you never find out about it. If you can manage to keep it secret for 18 years plus 10 the priest will get away with it,' Shea added.

A spokeswoman in the Vatican press office declined to comment when told about the contents of the letter. 'This is not a public document, so we would not talk about it,' she said.

One more link: In Europe, the New World Order is most often seen as the re-catholicizing of Europe and re-establishment of a second Holy Roman Empire.

http://www.bereanbeacon.org/articles/rome_and_european_union.htm
(Linked for all the treaty cites. I don't necessarily agree with everything in the article)

The cover-up of the massive rapes by pedophile priests benefits the same people.

 

[TooConservative]

FYI: Freerepublic and other neo-con places, like Fox News, were censuring the pedophile scandal when it occurred. One of the results is the person most responsible for covering up the pedophile scandal, Ratzinger, is now the pope of the Roman Catholic church! Ratzinger committed crimes in the United States by doing what he did, which includes obstruction and conspiracy (beyond the stories that claim he is also a pedophile).

I think more proof is required than what you offer here.

The neo-con places covered it up. Fox News and the various affiliated commentators are all roman catholics, Murdoch was knighted by the catholic church; and as I recall most of the commentators are catholic as well - Hannity, O'reilly, ect. Its also the most direct connection with other sites that linked their flag to Fox at the time - ie drudge, newsmax. Which I suppose is a direct reason for them covering up the pedophile scandal. Although it is not a causal link, it is interesting to note that those are also the most anti-paul sites and most pro-neocons. The neocon movement is very similar to the religious intolerance of the crusades started by the roman catholic church. The doctrine of pre-emptive war is also very similar to the justification used for the inquisitions. Its the same murderous spirit.

Murdoch and his toadies, the liberal cafeteria Catholics Hannity and O'Reilly on his primetime shows, peddle the usual lapsed Catholic rhetoric, pretend to be faithful Catholics yet support candidates and causes completely contrary to Roman doctrine. Both are from the usual group of suspects from NYC where a liberal bishop will bless them for their influence despite their open rebellion against to the substance of Rome's official doctrine. OTOH, Rome does rely of America as its primary source of funds and particularly the funding they receive from rich but non-observant American Catholics who seek to expiate their sin by donating to Rome's upkeep. Playing on the guilt of the rich and their desire to purchase heaven is as old as the Roman empire and Rome does exploit it.

However, the ability to cover up the most massive rapes of little boys in history is POLITICAL POWER. Its the same power that
we are fighting on other fronts. Its the same people.

Focusing on the rapes of boys isn't especially useful. Many non-Roman clergy and laypersons are also convicted of child rape and molestation. Many more are guilty of abusing their position of trust in carrying on in adulterous affairs with other adults of both sexes or in taking advantage of the trust they enjoy as church workers in ministry.

One more link: In Europe, the New World Order is most often seen as the re-catholicizing of Europe and re-establishment of a second Holy Roman Empire.

http://www.bereanbeacon.org/articles/rome_and_european_union.htm
(Linked for all the treaty cites. I don't necessarily agree with everything in the article)

I love Richard Bennett's stuff but you have to admit he has an established bias.

The cover-up of the massive rapes by pedophile priests benefits the same people.

While I don't like to post like some economic determinist, it can hardly be denied that Rome must limit its liability to lawsuits by its disobedient and immoral clergy so they can avoid the lawsuits which cost them adherents and therefore funding from their primary source in America.

The pedo-priest scandal should be viewed as an expense associated with their needs for substantial American financial support to fund their global operations. If they see these lawsuits, like the one settled in the L.A. diocese recently for $600 million, as cutting into the "profits" from their American franchises, then their behavior in seeking to suppress the victims' claim for compensation against the church is seen as an ordinary anti-litigation strategy similar to those big corporations whose products have caused them to behave similarly. Rome does have an advantage that a secular business does not have in that the parents of victims and the victims themselves don't want to sue God or His designated agents in Rome.

You should also not avoid considering that a certain percentage of these claims against abusive clergy come from parents who knew perfectly well that their children were at considerable risk of abuse from oddball priests who gave off many warning signs are merely seeking to profit from the opportunity, much as many of Michael Jackson's victims over the years were victimized as much by their own parents' complicity as by Jackson himself. A small percentage of parents today are as willing as those in ancient times to sacrifice their children to a Molech for perceived gain. Or the lesser sin of letting a celebrity or a priest molest their children so they can gain a fat settlement. The parents' motives should not be assumed to be uniformly more pure than that of the hierarchy in Rome.

 

[Ibtz]

The neocon movement is very similar to the religious intolerance of the crusades started by the roman catholic church.

A quick check of objective history shows that the crusades were a defensive measure taken by the Catholic church to beat back the advance of muslims who were taking Christian lands. No comparison at all to the neocon movement.

 

[TooConservative]

BeFranklin, you might enjoy this one:

LP: Priest Accused Of Stealing Nearly $1M From School, Order

Of course, you just know some nubile Catholic schoolboys are in the mix too.

 

[Ibtz]

BeFranklin, you might enjoy this one:

LP: Priest Accused Of Stealing Nearly $1M From School, Order

Of course, you just know some nubile Catholic schoolboys are in the mix too.

To keep things "fair and balanced" we might want to include this as well:

http://www.reformation.com/

 

[malibu]

Freepers will eventually censor you if you make sense regarding American foreign policy -
and so the pundits who read freerepublic as a pulse of conservatism pick up only what is NOT censored,
and that makes pundits like the Hannity, Shooster, Russert, and Kristols look stupid and ask stupid questions IMHO.

 

[TooConservative]

To keep things "fair and balanced" we might want to include this as well:

http://www.reformation.com/

I can't believe they were able to get that domain name.

Looks to me like a hack site for Episcopalians to excuse the tendencies of their own clergy and the Catholic pedo-priests.

Notice that the numbers of pedo-Episcopalians is about equal to the number of pedophile Baptists. Yet, there are probably 10 times as many Baptists as Episcopalians.

Naturally, no Christian church should tolerate abuse and should cooperate with prosecution of offenders.

 

[Ibtz]

Naturally, no Christian church should tolerate abuse and should cooperate with prosecution of offenders.

Absolutely!

 

[Proemio]

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They have pinglists so that you can directly address and reply to a single poster or address multiple posters (in the hundreds) to flag them to a thread.
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If it doesn't have a ping list (flag list) it's not a discussion forum, it's a collection of soap boxes. Serious discussions are next to impossible - and therein lays the problem; most people obviously don't join forums to have serious discussions. Ideally, the message should be front and center. Without avatars and the surrounding bells and whistles, you instantly eliminate 90% of the mindless on-liners, because they look as embarassing as they are...

In the forum I program, adding a flag list was very popular, adding an automatic "reply to" link as well (it allows following a discussion backwards, like FR has as well). However, when I removed the avatar capability and all the other icon thingies - the server loved it - all hell broke lose. After making the crap an option, everyone was happy, until I removed the silly rating system - I was highest rated at the time - childish titles and useless info such as how many post a 'noob' made (stupid as can be), about 80% of the members left - which increased quality about 10 fold - hehe.

Yep, FR is a standard in what a "Discussion" forum should be. If a had complete control, it would be black on white, one size type, no smileys, and just the handle for id, but with comprehensive flag and reply to features - let the best thought carry the day. I once stumble on one just like it but lost track of where. The level of discussion was outsanding.

All 'free' off-the-shelf software is designed by committee and therefore to the lowest common denominator - and it shows...