Free Market Education - lets hear some ideas

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I've often heard about the concept of free market education, but seen few models on how this would actually work...with that in mind:

a) What do you think would be the best way to implement this?

b) Who would cover the costs, given the high current cost of private education?

c) What would be the advantages over a public education system?

d) What would be the disadvantages over a public education system?

I'm particularly interested to hear what teachers would think of this, and how they could see themselves transition into a private system with minimal administration and regulation.

Let's hear it. :)
 
b) Who would cover the costs, given the high current cost of private education?
c) What would be the advantages over a public education system?
d) What would be the disadvantages over a public education system?

I am guessing that the answer other RPers would be that if a free market were created then the price would go down.
They would also likely say that there are no disadvantages.

I don't believe that though.
 
I think that the majority of the population believes this is something that the state (not the feds) should provide, and I am comfortable with that. I do believe that the voucher system could provide the choice required to somewhat imitate a free market effect, but also that eventually the state would screw it up by issuing mandates.
 
Just fine

First, let's talk about the problems with government schools:

1. It trains children to obey government commands from an early age. This is a major factor in generating a population that will sheepishly allow the Republic to be destroyed.

2. It attempts to force the entire range of human abilities and interests through a single education model. This Procrustian system forces the brightest to essentially educate themselves while the slowest take all the resources and the middle gets the scraps. It reaches its logical conclusion in the drugging and/or ostracizing of children that do not fit the model.

3. It is staggeringly expensive. Being a government operation, it sags with inefficiency, redundancy, bloated administration and bad employees. There are little if any incentives for good teaching and almost no disincentives for bad teaching. Because there is no choice, the "customers" are stuck with whatever teacher they get. As a parent, you are essentially forced by law to turn your child over to some petty tyrant or moron. Or you can put them in a private school and pay twice.

4. A handful of disruptive students are allowed to divert the majority of teacher attention.

5. They inculcate a homogenized, sanitized, government-approved version of history.

6. It is funded by forcing one group of people to pay ( a LOT) for the education of a different group of people.

There are many more problems, but those are the big ones.

Public schools have one positive attribute - they are available to everyone. Of course there ARE some really good teachers in public schools, but that happens in SPITE of the system not because of it.

Free market schools, on the other hand, would suffer from none of the problems above - at least not for long, because very few people would be willing to pay for that kind of "service" and would take their money and children elsewhere.

The problems with free market schools are as follows:

1. Although the cost would certainly go down as a result of competition and the absence of government subsidy, not everyone would be able to afford to hire other people to educate their children. But if that bothers you, you could use your own money to pay for the education of others. In that way society, in the aggregate, will get EXACTLY the amount of education it wants (as measured by what each person is willing to pay for).

2. Some schools will teach things you don't agree with. Deal with it. That's what freedom looks like.

To me liberty wins this contest easily.
 
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I've often heard about the concept of free market education, but seen few models on how this would actually work...with that in mind:

Realize who makes most of these models.

a) What do you think would be the best way to implement this?

I support a Voucher system, funded via payroll tax. If you are financially benefiting from a person educated in a school, you are receiving the benefit of their education so it is a reasonable tax. Currently schools are funded by property tax, but that came from the idea that people with property had children.

A flat yearly voucher would be issued per child. Schools would compete with each other for students based on education styles, afterschool programs, uniforms, availability of art or sports, you name it. This would increase variety in schools. Teachers would be paid by the schools they work for, with all pension and health benefits handled independently. Schools would no longer be public entities whatsoever beyond funding. A state education board would still be needed to manage the voucher program and investigate fraud.

A common issue raised is this: Wouldn't setting a flat voucher price be, in effect, price fixing? The free market can't work if there is no flexibility in cost. While that is certainly true, schools could charge voucher+ or refund a portion of the voucher to a fund to help pay for college.


On the local level, the people could determine if a School Bus system is needed. Parents often don't have a problem getting their kids to soccer and piano lessons- I don't see how this should be any different.

b) Who would cover the costs, given the high current cost of private education?

Compare the prices between private school tuition and the per child cost of taxpayer funded education. You'd be surprised.
 
Well said, sir. :D

First, let's talk about the problems with government schools:

1. It trains children to obey government commands from an early age. This is a major factor in generating a population that will sheepishly allow the Republic to be destroyed.

2. It attempts to force the entire range of human abilities and interests through a single education model. This Procrustian system forces the brightest to essentially educate themselves while the slowest take all the resources and the middle gets the scraps. It reaches its logical conclusion in the drugging and/or ostracizing of children that do not fit the model.

3. It is staggeringly expensive. Being a government operation, it sags with inefficiency, redundancy, bloated administration and bad employees. There are little if any incentives for good teaching and almost no disincentives for bad teaching. Because there is no choice, the "customers" are stuck with whatever teacher they get. As a parent, you are essentially forced by law to turn your child over to some petty tyrant or moron. Or you can put them in a private school and pay twice.

4. A handful of disruptive students are allowed to divert the majority of teacher attention.

5. They inculcate a homogenized, sanitized, government-approved version of history.

6. It is funded by forcing one group of people to pay ( a LOT) for the education of a different group of people.

There are many more problems, but those are the big ones.

Public schools have one positive attribute - they are available to everyone. Of course there ARE some really good teachers in public schools, but that happens in SPITE of the system not because of it.

Free market schools, on the other hand, would suffer from none of the problems above - at least not for long, because very few people would be willing to pay for that kind of "service" and would take their money and children elsewhere.

The problems with free market schools are as follows:

1. Although the cost would certainly go down as a result of competition and the absence of government subsidy, not everyone would be able to afford to hire other people to educate their children. But if that bothers you, you could use your own money to pay for the education of others. In that way society, in the aggregate, will get EXACTLY the amount of education it wants (as measured by what each person is willing to pay for).

2. Some schools will teach things you don't agree with. Deal with it. That's what freedom looks like.

To me liberty wins this contest easily.
 
Think of free-market education like free-market medical care. Competition drives prices down and quality up.
 
That's the thing though. I've never heard of high quality, low-cost private healthcare.

It is mostly local because the government has such control over the industry (as far as I know-that's how it is in Phoenix, anyways). You can always negotiate with your doctor, too. :cool::)
 
I've often heard about the concept of free market education, but seen few models on how this would actually work...with that in mind:

a) What do you think would be the best way to implement this?

b) Who would cover the costs, given the high current cost of private education?

c) What would be the advantages over a public education system?

d) What would be the disadvantages over a public education system?

I'm particularly interested to hear what teachers would think of this, and how they could see themselves transition into a private system with minimal administration and regulation.

Let's hear it. :)

Free Example: http://www.khanacademy.org
 

THANK YOU for that link!

Damn, watching that made me feel ill...

"Competition...is not for human beings. It's not for kids."

What hope does a child taught by that teacher EVER HAVE for a realistic expectation of real life, where businesses compete for customers and employees compete for a good job? Absolutely NONE.

Interesting as well that Mark Sanford made a play for free market education in South Carolina, even if it was shot down by the Teachers Union.
 
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Fractional Reserve Banking

If I knew that taking high school calculus wouldn't be any more beneficial than this site, I would do this site. I just watched a couple pre-calc things there (that's what I'm taking next year) and they were pretty well taught. I'm impressed.

Have you seen their lesson on Fractional Reserve Banking?

Apparently there is no difference between FIAT money and gold. :confused:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH2-37rTA8U


http://www.khanacademy.org/
 
I can see a free market education system having much more specialization from school to school. Aspiring mechanics go to whichever mechanics school they choose......... any further education is provided through either conversation, books, or the internet. But come to think of it, a modern free market education system might make books and conventional classrooms obsolete.
 
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