Frank Luntz: RAND has MOST LIKEABILITY of ANY candidate he's EVER polled the audience on

[wormyguy]

Randslide 2016!

Randslide 2020!

 

[Justinjj1]

2. The Paul/Paul ticket will get a lot of publicity for being a father son ticket.

It wasn't until just 20 min ago did it hit me there was a Paul family conspiracy to create a dynasty of freedom in America
It's like Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. except without the criminal element.

The Paul/Paul ticket will never happen because Rand has already judged that as too disadvantageous politically. He hasn't even came out and campaigned for Ron in 2012 that I've heard about. I find it mind boggling that people on here still support Rand after he has been such a massive letdown. The freedom to take a shit in a regular toilet is about the only freedom I've seen him take a stand on.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The Paul/Paul ticket will never happen because Rand has already judged that as too disadvantageous politically. He hasn't even came out and campaigned for Ron in 2012 that I've heard about. I find it mind boggling that people on here still support Rand after he has been such a massive letdown. The freedom to take a shit in a regular toilet is about the only freedom I've seen him take a stand on.

The only one, huh?

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Not necessarily. I just think Rand Paul is better able to communicate ideas that resonate with people. As someone else pointed out, he doesn't talk over people's heads... i.e. "liquidate the malinvestment" is fine if you understand Austrian economics, but most people don't.

I think Ron and Rand are a perfect combination. Ron gets the deeper ideas out there, while Rand "dumbs it down" so to speak, so the average Jo on the street can actually understand it without needing a shelf full of Austrian economic text books.

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Well said, if we're to get our message across to the ordinary people & Ron is to have any REALISTIC chance of getting the GOP nomination then he needs Rand to get the mainstream GOP voters to vote for him.

I don't mean to say I'm giving up on Ron for 2012, I'll fight 100% to the bitter end to get him to the White House, but I think we can all agree that Rand is our "plan B" so to speak

Lets just hope 2016 won't be too late...

I think 2016 might be too late because if Ron doesn't win then we'll've a socialist covert-dictator, be it Obama or Romney, & as history shows, people vote socialist during tough economic times, just look at how FDR kept giving people socialist misery & they kept re-electing him, the libertarian freedom message - fend for yourself - mightn't be so attractive come 2016 when the country will've gone down the $hitter even more under a socialist regime & manipulated currency. So we must throw everything we've got right now & that includes even Rand

I don't understand people like you. You want to turn this country into a 100% pure Libertarian hell hole within the next five years. The reality of the situation is that Libertarianism isn't perfect, and we need to slowly implement our ideas and see that they work and if the general population agrees with us. If Rand Paul started pushing a hard-core retarded Anarcho-Capitalist philosophy or purist Libertarian viewpoint (for whatever reason) then he would just become a fringe Senator.

True, it has to be understood that we're not going to turn back the clock to Constitutionally limited government overnight, it's going to take time & persistence to make it happen. What Rand does so well is that he slowly & surreptitiously pushes the mainstream people towards libertarianism without them even realizing it & without calling himself a "libertarian".

I've been thinking Goldwater or Jim DeMint. I still think they would be fine. However, after reading till the end I think Rand might be the best choice.

1. Rand will get even more publicity. Good for his eventual run for presidency.
2. The Paul/Paul ticket will get a lot of publicity for being a father son ticket.
3. Rand knows how to speak Conservative AND Independent.

It wasn't until just 20 min ago did it hit me there was a Paul family conspiracy to create a dynasty of freedom in America
It's like Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. except without the criminal element.

+1
So true

The Paul/Paul ticket will never happen because Rand has already judged that as too disadvantageous politically. He hasn't even came out and campaigned for Ron in 2012 that I've heard about. I find it mind boggling that people on here still support Rand after he has been such a massive letdown. The freedom to take a shit in a regular toilet is about the only freedom I've seen him take a stand on.

Well, it's not like Ron is the "frontrunner" & he doesn't have any REALISTIC chance of winning the GOP nomination so if Rand is declared as VP then the effect will only be net positive so I don't see anything "disadvantageous" because Ron's numbers are stagnant & going nowhere anyway. Not to mention, whenever Ron is asked about a Paul/Paul ticket, he only says, "we haven't talked about it yet" so they're open to that possibility
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZj-LlP40I#t=46m5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QSQBBJwenI#t=37m45

As for Rand's performance, he's been good, he hasn't taken on the "libertarian" label & he's taken a more "centrist" positions & that's why mainstream GOP voters find him more palatable so he'll be the ideal guy for expanding Ron's severely limited & stagnant base within the mainstream GOP for him to have any chance of winning the GOP nomination.