France's grassroot support for Ron Paul made a website to promote him !

[benthilde]

In France, we are not all socialists. Our politicians are.
With some friends of mine, we created a facebook page to promote Ron Paul in France
http://www.facebook.com/FranceforRonPaul2012
We have more than 560 people there.

Now we want to take it to the next level. So we created a website
http://ronpaulfrance.fr/
Please check us out, and tell your friends about it : France support Ron Paul, and no other candidates
(on facebook, the France for Romney group has 8 members, LOL. And there is nothing about Gingrich or Santorum)


France will fight for liberty.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

France should be a model for Classical Liberalism given their plethora of radical liberal history. Might I recommend the grassroots in French restore their liberal history? Bring forth Charles Dunoyer, Charles Comte, Francis Quesnay, Yves Guyot, Frederic Bastiat, Anne Robert Jacques Turgot, Jean Baptiste Say (and his brother Louis), Michel Chevalier, Jerome Adolphi Blanqui, etc. etc. I mean I could list about 50 amazing French liberals. BRING THESE GUYS AND THEIR WORK BACK TO LIGHT IN FRANCE. It would be amazing.

 

[benthilde]

I must say, I was stunned when I read your post. I said to myself : How come an American knows all these great french authors, when the French public know none of them. For me, Bastiat, Turgot, and Say, in particular, are among the greatest intellectuals of human history. But nobody have ever heard of them here.

We try to promote them, but it's really hard. I work for a non-profit organisation aimed at promoting the works of those great liberty-minded intellectuals (economists, but also philosophers) of what the french tradition/school. And we are working hard, but so far it never seem to change the course of things.

France is still overwhelmingly socialist. We are ruled by right-wing socialism, and suffer from crony capitalism, to a degree that you would not imagine.
In the presidential election coming up in May, we won't have a candidate to support the message of liberty. There is rules to avoid small candidates to be on the ballot (they want to avoid any challenger of the status-quo, and so far, they succeeded). So what we did is that we started a campaign anyway, without worrying about not being on the ballot : we choose to support Frederic Bastiat for president. And I'm not kidding. We don't have any politician who believe in free-markets, in personal liberties, in sound money, etc., like Ron Paul does. So we said : let's campaing for a Frederic Bastiat.

So we created a website for it : http://bastiat2012.fr/ and begun creating some ads for it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I3ug8cwbkSM
I know, it's kind of funny to do this for a dead person. But what can we do at this point

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I must say, I was stunned when I read your post. I said to myself : How come an American knows all these great french authors, when the French public know none of them. For me, Bastiat, Turgot, and Say, in particular, are among the greatest intellectuals of human history. But nobody have ever heard of them here.

We try to promote them, but it's really hard. I work for a non-profit organisation aimed at promoting the works of those great liberty-minded intellectuals (economists, but also philosophers) of what the french tradition/school. And we are working hard, but so far it never seem to change the course of things.

France is still overwhelmingly socialist. We are ruled by right-wing socialism, and suffer from crony capitalism, to a degree that you would not imagine.
In the presidential election coming up in May, we won't have a candidate to support the message of liberty. There is rules to avoid small candidates to be on the ballot (they want to avoid any challenger of the status-quo, and so far, they succeeded). So what we did is that we started a campaign anyway, without worrying about not being on the ballot : we choose to support Frederic Bastiat for president. And I'm not kidding. We don't have any politician who believe in free-markets, in personal liberties, in sound money, etc., like Ron Paul does. So we said : let's campaing for a Frederic Bastiat.

So we created a website for it : http://bastiat2012.fr/ and begun creating some ads for it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I3ug8cwbkSM
I know, it's kind of funny to do this for a dead person. But what can we do at this point

That is so sad for France. It is up to you fine folks to create the new Bastiats, the new Turgots, the new Quesnay's, the new Dunoyers. Become familiar with the argumentation, the philosophy, and spread it far and wide. The truth will win out in the end...we're doing our part in America. At least here, though superficial folks know Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, George Mason (to an extent), etc.

I would vote for Bastiat over Ron Paul if I had to choose I could only imagine witnessing Bastiat destroy everyone he debated.

 

[Vanilluxe]

Isn't Sarkozy having a hard time beating his leftist opponent in the French election?

 

[benthilde]

Isn't Sarkozy having a hard time beating his leftist opponent in the French election?

Yes, he's seeking reelection but it will be hard for him. But I won't support him in any way. Because, well, what difference does it make ?
They're all leftists !
Remember Ron Paul's speech in Congress, saying that "Both candidate supported the war, the increased speading, etc." ? Well, that's true for France.
To promote Bastiat, we've made some kind of brochures, and one is portraying right-wing President Sarkozy and leftist socialist François Hollande, and saying : "Two parties. Two men. One agenda : more and more debt, more and more taxes, less and less freedom" ( http://bastiat2012.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Bastiat10.jpg )
If you think it sounds like Ron Paul ads, like the "Three of a kind" ad about Romney-Gingrich-Santorum, you're right. Ron Paul is our model in everything we do.

 

[JuicyG]

I`m a bit curios. Who would you support in the upcoming elections? I know there`s no libertarian choice in France, at least not to my knowledge.

Marine Le Pen, however, is thinking of decentralizing the country, being anti-EU and might consider a gold standard. Do you think she has any chances in the upcoming elections? She said the following about Ron Paul:

a great defender of an international monetary system anchored on the gold standard

 

[bultza]

Le Pen's party is fascist, with part of the electorate openly Nazi and has been repeatedly condemned by denial the holocaust

 

[JuicyG]

Le Pen's party is fascist, with part of the electorate openly Nazi and has been repeatedly condemned by denial the holocaust

I`ve read that she has taken steps back from her father`s rhetoric and that it`s no longer the case as she pretty much changed the party.
Didn`t she throw out from the party few people who`ve made extreme statements?

She`s in 3d place according to latest polls.

 

[bultza]

A Fini cost him decades to transform the MSI (heir party Mussolini's Fascist Party) in a center party .. And the FN is more radical .. will have to wait a while to see what becomes the FN

 

[benthilde]

I`m a bit curios. Who would you support in the upcoming elections? I know there`s no libertarian choice in France, at least not to my knowledge.
Marine Le Pen, however, is thinking of decentralizing the country, being anti-EU and might consider a gold standard. Do you think she has any chances in the upcoming elections?

I will not support any of them. Marine Le Pen is quite right about some issues. She want our troops out of Afghanistan, she favors non-intervention. She want us to leave the euro and get back to a national currency (with gold standard, although she's not talking a lot about it). She want to end welfare to immigrants.
BUT she is also pro-socialism. She wants to increase spending. More goverment in the economy, more regulations, more Welfare State. Every day I hear her talking about the greedy financial markets. She think free-markets don't work, that it's a myth, and that the "ultra-libéralisme" is dangerous. So, as long as she keep her leftist agenda, I won't support her in any way. But I'm glad to see she's challenging the status-quo.

We also have a center-right candidate who is 4th in the polls and say he wants to get serious about the deficit and the debt, but don't propose any cut in spending. He is also pro-Euro, and support bailouts, QE from the European Central Bank,and a lot of socialist policies.

So, basically, I will vote for Frédéric Bastiat for the first round. I'll write him in.
And I will probably vote for Ron Paul for the second round. Haha
Don't think it's silly. Would you guys vote for Obama over, I don't know, Stewart Alexander (from Socialist Party), in a general election ? Seriously

 

[Krugerrand]

In France, we are not all socialists. Our politicians are.
With some friends of mine, we created a facebook page to promote Ron Paul in France
http://www.facebook.com/FranceforRonPaul2012
We have more than 560 people there.

Now we want to take it to the next level. So we created a website
http://ronpaulfrance.fr/
Please check us out, and tell your friends about it : France support Ron Paul, and no other candidates
(on facebook, the France for Romney group has 8 members, LOL. And there is nothing about Gingrich or Santorum)


France will fight for liberty.

Nice site. Nice video:

 

[The_Ruffneck]

Le Pen's party is fascist, with part of the electorate openly Nazi and has been repeatedly condemned by denial the holocaust

EU is also fascist , voting for a pro EU party is a vote for fascism.
LePen = Frances last chance.

 

[phesoge]

Isn't La Pen the one who wanted to meet with Ron Paul and discuss monetary theory? I thought that was pretty neat, but I a lot of what I have read about her basically makes her out to be a far right nationalist/fascist. Not that I believe everything I read. Just sayin.

 

[123tim]

In France, we are not all socialists. Our politicians are.
With some friends of mine, we created a facebook page to promote Ron Paul in France
http://www.facebook.com/FranceforRonPaul2012
We have more than 560 people there.

Now we want to take it to the next level. So we created a website
http://ronpaulfrance.fr/
Please check us out, and tell your friends about it : France support Ron Paul, and no other candidates
(on facebook, the France for Romney group has 8 members, LOL. And there is nothing about Gingrich or Santorum)


France will fight for liberty.

Thank you benthilde. Thank you France.

+ Rep pour la liberté.



Je ne suis pas aussi intelligent ....
J'ai utilisé GoogleTranslator.

Semble être une mauvaise traduction.

 

[Tudo]

Viva La France! Viva La Liberty!

 

[JuicyG]

Isn't La Pen the one who wanted to meet with Ron Paul and discuss monetary theory? I thought that was pretty neat, but I a lot of what I have read about her basically makes her out to be a far right nationalist/fascist. Not that I believe everything I read. Just sayin.

From what I know she took over her father`s party which had some radical elements. After she took over she started to actively change the party and to throw out the extremist elements.

Seems to me she`s a female French version of Nigel Farage




and another interview(she speaks about her father`s legacy in this one)
http://www.euronews.net/2011/02/18/marine-le-pen-next-french-president/

 

[benthilde]

I won't say she is fascist. I let French mainstream media say it. For me she's just socialist, and nationalist.
About monetary, although she has spoken a few times in favor of the gold standard, I know she will fail to deliver.
I heard her talking about a "transfer of the power to create money from the banks to the governement". I am really skeptical about this idea, to say the least.
The problem with her, is that she's challenging the status-quo about three things, and three things only (almost quoting her) :

1) immigration is a danger which benefit to big business by allowing them to attract labor paid to lower levels. Immigration is also bringing islamisation in France. The two main parties, she says, are too soft on immigration. And yes, they are.
2) Europe was a mistake. It has taken powers from national parlament and president, to give it to Brussels bureaucrats. The euro, in particular, has caused french standard of living to go down. Both parties, she says, have contributed to give European Union more and more power. And yes, they have.
3) The two main parties have been running the governement to their own benefit, voting high wages for them and their friends. The socialist party (PS) and the right-wing (socialist, too) party is called UMP. One of her favorite line is : I'm challenging the UMPS. I'm challenging the status-quo.



Anyway, I don't like socialism. But the nationalistic socialism is for me one of the worst kind. So, even though she brings some good elements on the table, I have no intention to ever support her in any way and I think that nobody who favors free markets and personal liberties should support her.

 

[JuicyG]

I won't say she is fascist. I let French mainstream media say it. For me she's just socialist, and nationalist.
About monetary, although she has spoken a few times in favor of the gold standard, I know she will fail to deliver.
I heard her talking about a "transfer of the power to create money from the banks to the governement". I am really skeptical about this idea, to say the least.
The problem with her, is that she's challenging the status-quo about three things, and three things only (almost quoting her) :

1) immigration is a danger which benefit to big business by allowing them to attract labor paid to lower levels. Immigration is also bringing islamisation in France. The two main parties, she says, are too soft on immigration. And yes, they are.
2) Europe was a mistake. It has taken powers from national parlament and president, to give it to Brussels bureaucrats. The euro, in particular, has caused french standard of living to go down. Both parties, she says, have contributed to give European Union more and more power. And yes, they have.
3) The two main parties have been running the governement to their own benefit, voting high wages for them and their friends. The socialist party (PS) and the right-wing (socialist, too) party is called UMP. One of her favorite line is : I'm challenging the UMPS. I'm challenging the status-quo.



Anyway, I don't like socialism. But the nationalistic socialism is for me one of the worst kind. So, even though she brings some good elements on the table, I have no intention to ever support her in any way and I think that nobody who favors free markets and personal liberties should support her.

I`ve read that Sarkozy is courting her base and trying to appeal to a more right wing crowd. Do you think he might ally himself with Le Pen to win the next elections? Seems he doesn`t stand a chance without striking a deal with other parties.

Sarkozy, who courted the National Front’s voters in the last election and has since seen many of his supporters switch allegiance to that party’s leader Marine Le Pen is also seeking to ally himself to conservative

http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/20...officially-declare-his-presidential-campaign/

I agree with you that it`s very tough to pick the lesser evil. If I were to pick, I`d normally pick the left or center socialists in this scenario due to more respect for civil liberties and such, however under current circumstances of country being overrun by Muslims... Heard there are more mosques in southern France than churches, and many started praying on the streets of Paris in the open, as even the existing mosques are not enough. So, I`d really think twice about it. It`s one thing respecting religious and individual freedom and another thing letting others abuse yours. There are clear proofs that this forced multiculturalism failed in Europe and yet none would dare point to the elephant in the room.

Also, I`m not sure it`s fair to compare her National Front party with national socialist parties of `30s and `40s, which basically had, besides their normal economic policies and political doctrine, a crazy ethnic ideology of racial supremacy. So it`s like comparing apples and oranges in a way.

 

[benthilde]

I`ve read that Sarkozy is courting her base and trying to appeal to a more right wing crowd. Do you think he might ally himself with Le Pen to win the next elections? Seems he doesn`t stand a chance without striking a deal with other parties.

Well, the thing is that President Sarkozy is now portrayed as the president of the rich. He lowered the top income tax for a few years, then changed position. But I don't know, people believe the media, and the media say he is in bed with the very few, the 1%, the rich.
M. Le Pen say he has failed to deliver real change. On Immigration, national security, and about Europe.
But they agree on a lot of issues, and, more important, a lot of voters who choose Sarkozy in 2007 now turn to M. Le Pen. So he's trying to win back that vote.
But, to get to your question directly, no, there is not a single chance that Sarkozy and M. Le Pen will ally together. Sarkozy's party, along with the socialist, is still accusing Marine Le Pen of being fascist and racist (in order to maintain the statu-quo, 'cause the power is in their hands). But maybe it will change after 2012, if Sarkozy is defeated. This will change the right-wing party's agenda. I obviously hope this will be toward less governement, less taxes, less regulations. But there is no reason to be optimistic really. As for Marine Le Pen, she will probably finish 3rd, close to Nicolas Sarkozy. In 2017, for next presidential election, she might have a shot.