Founder of Liberty Dollar convicted!

The FBI posted their heroic exploits on their site:
http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/ce031811.htm (link broken)

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”

Where is a puke icon? This works. :mad:

So, the obvious question is...WHEN DO THEY PROSECUTE THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK?

Or maybe they will go after Ron Paul instead, since he is advocating the same thing with competing currencies.
 
thank you for protecting us from domestic terrorists. what would we be without you!!!
 
from the article:
Convicted von NotHaus was the founder of an organization that was for the repeal of the Federal Reserve and the IRS. He served as the president of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve (NORFED) and as executive for the Liberty Dollar, Inc. until 2008.

damn terrorists!
 
What is a financial terrorism? For $50 please.

As soon as the last (NASCAR and Final Four Fanatic) juror left the courtroom, a fed named Ascik, who greatly resembles a vitamin D deficient vampire, rose and immediately demanded forfeiture of all confiscated PMs, for deposit into the General Fund of the U.S. Treasury.

He even demanded that the LD's defense team surrender all trial evidence either printed or minted with Liberty Dollar.

The judge kept him at bay, at least until April 4th, when the forfeiture arguments will begin in earnest.

As far as souveniers and numismatics are concerned:

I am waiting for the court transcripts. I heard the words counterfeit and contraband enough times to make me very uncomfortable.

The two largest sellers of LDs on eBay both pulled all of their LD product down.

Once pawn shops start refusing Libertys as counterfeit/contraband, only the underground economy will use it.

12 "peers" and not one could see the contrast in value between a .999 Ag, one troy ounce medallion, and a $10 paper FRN.

Given the 90 minute jury deliberation, it is apparent that BvNH was guilty within the first few days of the trial, and the prosecutors did a good job of introducing his many "anti-American" character flaws, such as not paying fed taxes for 15 years.

Not a jury of peers, but a gaggle of Tories!

This was a "jury" of NASCAR fans who pretended to spend 90 minutes deliberating while they chatted up UNC and the Final Four.

His pony-tail didn't help either...
 
Not surprised by the prosecution or the verdict. But the terrorist rhetoric? Wow. Really over the top.
But I suppose, in a sense, if you define terrorism as anything that threatens to undermine the established power structure, then circulating real money alongside FRNs is a kind of terrorism as it would eventually demonstrate the fraud of the FRN upon which the current power structure is built.
 
US Justice Department logic: Bernanke is a domestic terrorist

The United States Department of Justice delivered a very clear and unfortunate message on Friday:

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”

These remarks were released by the US Attorney’s office in the western district of North Carolina following the conviction of one Bernard von NotHaus, the creator of the ill-fated Liberty Dollar.

As you likely recall from a few years ago, Liberty Dollars were privately minted gold and silver rounds. Paper certificates, akin to warehouse receipts were also issued, effectively giving the bearer a right to claim a certain amount of gold or silver at the group’s warehouse in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.

This is traditionally how the system of money used to function– precious metals would be stored in private, secure storage facilities, and paper certificates were issued as a medium of exchange that entitled the bearer to redeem metal from the vault. Liberty Dollars represented a return to that system.

Clearly, the Justice Department feels otherwise… instead viewing these silver rounds as an attempt by terrorists to undermine the US dollar.

Interesting choice of words. Undermine? “verb [transitive]. to erode the base or foundation of something. to damage or weaken, especially gradually. ”

Funny, this sounds a lot more like quantitative easing than anything else. Ben Bernanke, in creating trillions of new dollars and debasing the value thereof, is guilty of the same insidious acts, and similarly, he represents a clear and present danger to the economic stability of the United States.

Somehow, though, I doubt that Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano or Attorney General Eric Holder will end up labeling Mr. Bernanke as a domestic terrorist.
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More: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-us-justice-department-logic-bernanke-domestic-terrorist
 
What would be interesting... the information on Jury selection, how it was done and why approved by both sides.

Every juror should have a complete "Jury Nullification" package sent to their addy's along with all their rights and freedoms that have taken away by the FEDS in their conquest to control through Propaganda and Tyranny(Patriot Act, etc.). Sounds like a bunch of morons, but it's getting to the juror's psyche since they're all pretty ignorant these days. Who did the defense have as their legal team? Remind the world not use them again if it took only 90 minutes to send someone to prison for a long time.

As soon as the last (NASCAR and Final Four Fanatic) juror left the courtroom, a fed named Ascik, who greatly resembles a vitamin D deficient vampire, rose and immediately demanded forfeiture of all confiscated PMs, for deposit into the General Fund of the U.S. Treasury.

He even demanded that the LD's defense team surrender all trial evidence either printed or minted with Liberty Dollar.

The judge kept him at bay, at least until April 4th, when the forfeiture arguments will begin in earnest.

As far as souveniers and numismatics are concerned:

I am waiting for the court transcripts. I heard the words counterfeit and contraband enough times to make me very uncomfortable.

The two largest sellers of LDs on eBay both pulled all of their LD product down.

Once pawn shops start refusing Libertys as counterfeit/contraband, only the underground economy will use it.

12 "peers" and not one could see the contrast in value between a .999 Ag, one troy ounce medallion, and a $10 paper FRN.

Given the 90 minute jury deliberation, it is apparent that BvNH was guilty within the first few days of the trial, and the prosecutors did a good job of introducing his many "anti-American" character flaws, such as not paying fed taxes for 15 years.

Not a jury of peers, but a gaggle of Tories!

This was a "jury" of NASCAR fans who pretended to spend 90 minutes deliberating while they chatted up UNC and the Final Four.

His pony-tail didn't help either...
 
BvNH is guilty of enriching EVERYONE who ever obtained a Liberty Dollar product over the course of the last ten years.

Within the context of a system based upon lies, deceit and fraudulent currency, honest money is outlawed.
 
BvNH is guilty of enriching EVERYONE who ever obtained a Liberty Dollar product over the course of the last ten years.

Within the context of a system based upon lies, deceit and fraudulent currency, honest money is outlawed.

I think they (the feds) were more worried about the enrichment of education people were getting about the monetary system we have now vs what we should have. If they had allowed BvNH to continue, the cat would have been too far out of the bag for them to do anything about it.

As it is now, those who look at a 2005, $10 Liberty Dollar round will note the face value of $10 is way under the current $46.68 spot price of silver. Tends to make people think a little about such a conundrum.
 
Guilty of Conspiracy to Enrich

I think they (the feds) were more worried about the enrichment of education people were getting about the monetary system we have now vs what we should have. If they had allowed BvNH to continue, the cat would have been too far out of the bag for them to do anything about it.

As it is now, those who look at a 2005, $10 Liberty Dollar round will note the face value of $10 is way under the current $46.68 spot price of silver. Tends to make people think a little about such a conundrum.

I fully agree, and in fact I made great strides in terms of the educational aspect. For every LD I moved out of my shop as change, or a direct exchange for FRNs, there were 10 pieces of literature explaining the FRN fraud to those who wanted to learn more.

Every kid who came into my shop and expressed a desire to read and learn received a little pamphlet I compiled entitled, The Liberty Dollar Story, which explained the LD, Coinage Act of 1792, and the fraudulent FRN system.

One little girl returned to the shop proudly and told me that she had received an A grade for a book report on the LD Story, which she shared with her entire class.

I was making excellent progress with the kids (and their parents), using my own version of the Apple generational marketing model, and I was moving plenty of gold, silver, and copper LDs out the door; only a very few of which ever returned to be spent or converted back to FRNs.

Along with BvNH, I am remorselessly guilty of "conspiracy to enrich."
 
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