Founded on Christian principles? Griffon believes otherwise.

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

--Patrick Henry
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Then FUCK Patrick Henry too. Funny, I dont see him all over the place like Jefferson and Franklin. He is a guy that was along for the ride and used his ride to preach bullshit.
 
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"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage."

--Dr. Ron Paul
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Well for one RP wasnt trying to get elected office so he could shove the threats of "Believe in jesus or burn in hell" down my throats. And I do not share his religious hocus pocus beliefs, I supported him because he supported CHOICE, not THREATS.

That and there are so many religious morons in this country that he, nor America, would have been very popular if they didnt support religious freedom.

The world is not ready to wake up to the fact that religion is bullshit. They still have their crack addict dependancy on a lie so big that to reveal the lie would shatter the person.
 
So when the north and south poles shift and trade places, will it then be an upside down cross? More like a big X with one line longer than the others for "BOMB HERE".

Religion is BULLSHIT. Im not saying god, the god, a god, the gods or whatever are as if there is one or them, that they are bullshit, I dont know, I do know that their words are twisted by man to become what is now religion.
 
DamianTV said:
So when the north and south poles shift and trade places, will it then be an upside down cross? More like a big X with one line longer than the others for "BOMB HERE".

Religion is BULLSHIT. Im not saying god, the god, a god, the gods or whatever are as if there is one or them, that they are bullshit, I dont know, I do know that their words are twisted by man to become what is now religion.
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Think about it. ;)


Religion and politics are both the very same thing. They are both only, very old and very effective, means to control large masses of people. It has always only been that way, and it always only will be.

The ends do NOT justify the means.
 
Truth Warrior said:
Think about it. ;)


Religion and politics are both the very same thing. They are both only, very old and very effective, means to control large masses of people. It has always only been that way, and it always only will be.

The ends do NOT justify the means.
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/agree totally
 
Conservative Christian said:
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"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage."

--Dr. Ron Paul
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Good quote, and fairly true.

The next blow to saving this nation won't come from here. Without a solid foundation, it would be pointless to build upon it. Also, only with the help of God can America be revived.

Proverbs 25:28 "Whoever has no rule over his own spirit is like a city broken down, without walls."

Proverbs 16:32 "He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty, and he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city."
 
strapko said:
Sup guys, I am a fellow RP supporter. Browsing through these forums I always notice some individual boosting about how we were founded on Christian Principle's.(We all know who he is=D)
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It is clear from this sampling that our friend who said the motto of the American Revolution was "No king but King Jesus" had an incomplete view of American history. It is true that Christianity was the most populous religion in colonial America and that many of the mores that became a part of the American political system can be traced to the Christian ethic, yet there were deep divisions between the various sects. Some groups even felt that the others were not really Christian at all but heresies instead. More important, however, is the fact that religion was not the motivator of the American Revolution. It was not a religious crusade but a struggle for personal and economic liberty. General Washington was wise not to quiz them on their theology. He needed every able bodied man who was willing to fight regardless of their religious convictions. Freedom Force is following his example. (Incidentally, I am happy to report that, after reading the first draft of this reply, this gentleman reconsidered his position and became a member!!)"
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Clearly, this OP message was not posted to me or many of the other Christian posters on this forum, as it is somewhat dated.

However, the ignorance on these threads about what our founders believed is really telling. Of the whole list, only Paine was an aetheist, but his most fameous work common sense is religious - he knew what audience he was writing to. The rest of the quotes would also call Luther, Calvin, Fox, Wycliffe, and many other reformers aeithiest for holding the Roman Catholic church to account. That is a ridicilous misquoting from a nation founded by and large by protestants and puratians.

Some of the Christian quotes from the founders appear at the end of this thread, including the ones I posted from Benjamin Franklin (some of my favorite). Futhermore, the American Revolution was started on a church lawn, fought by people from that church, and the name "the shot heard round the world" was phrased by that minister. The slogan really was "No King But King Jesus", and it was a direct challenge to the idea of a divine right of kings and pope instituted monarchs. For, as the bible says "He has made us priests and kings", and Jesus is "King of Kings and Lord of Lords".

The reviving of America will occur because of God. It is impossible for it to occur otherwise, and complete destruction lies ahead on all sides impossible for any normal stength to stop. Looking at various people on here calling for gay marriages, despising Christians, and reposting the same things over and over without caring about the historical truth makes me think the time is coming that the door will be closed.

Its not numbers, its about a solid foundation. The same thing occured in the old testament when selecting men, already outnumbered, they where whiddled down even more by God on who would go on. In a similar way, about salvation Jesus says: Many are called, but few are chosen.
 
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Can someone please tell me why, since the beginning of our gov't why does the President have to swear to uphold and defend the Constitution on a bible?
 
Then, you'll have to ask yourself, If they swore an oath to god, on a bible, to defend the constitution... why do they destroy the constitution?
Is that god's will?
 
If George Bush swears to god on bible... and then goes to war in Iraq. Is it god's war?
 
torchbearer said:
Mason's understand the true meaning of Lucifer.
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Skewz me??? Are you saying the bible that Washington swore on was something other than the King James version??? And if you are saying that, will you please cite your source?
 
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