Forming new party? Stay in the Rep party?

[Dogsoldier]

Guys we have to quit this talking about forming a new party.We have 2 parties to work with.How about the LIBERTARIAN party HELLOOOO!!!It represents Ron Pauls veiws.

Ron Paul WILL VOTE LIBERTARIAN THIS ELECTION!!!

Stop telling me the libertarian party can't win.That is establishment talking there and you know it.Or maybe your a neocon trolling.

I'm all for taking over the Republican party too but please look at what has happened.They have changed the rules to prevent us from doing so.

I said before that this will probably be the first and last time that I will be a delegate for the republican party.Not by my choice but because I'm not seeing anybody in the future to fill Ron Pauls shoes.And even if I did become a delegate they have changed the rules so they can pick and choose which delegates count.

Explain to me why I should stay in the republican party.As a delegate what can I do when we vote for nominations for president?Obstain on all votes because I won't support any of them?

All the BS the republicans have pulled this election...

Tell me why I should stay.

And if you really are a Neocon troll just trying to turn me to the dark side please understand that even if I stay in the Republican party I'm NOT GONNA VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!Or Bush,Ryan,Mcain,Christie,Santorum,Newt or any other neocon So why would you want me in your party?

 

[krazy kaju]

Vote LP this election if you like. But stay in the GOP and continue to work within the Party. Vote out the local and then state Party leaders. Get ready for a Rand Paul run in 2016 or 2020.

 

[CPUd]

Do what you gotta do over the next 3 months, but don't forget what has already been gained this season.

Much of those changes can be undone in 2014 if we get more on the committee. There are still several who will be taking their seats in January. And there were others who joined in because they knew it was not right what they were trying to do.

Every member who voted for the new rules must be held accountable, and 1 by 1 they will be replaced.

 

[TheTexan]

I don't see any reason why we can't do both. A large chunk of us don't see any value in going forward with the GOP, and a large chunk of us don't see any value in leaving the GOP.

I think they both have their purpose and roles to play.

But yes, if we do go down the 3rd party road, we should definitely start a new one. The others carry far too much baggage and have nothing to offer us.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Guys we have to quit this talking about forming a new party.We have 2 parties to work with.How about the LIBERTARIAN party HELLOOOO!!!It represents Ron Pauls veiws.

Ron Paul WILL VOTE LIBERTARIAN THIS ELECTION!!!

Stop telling me the libertarian party can't win.That is establishment talking there and you know it.Or maybe your a neocon trolling.

I'm all for taking over the Republican party too but please look at what has happened.They have changed the rules to prevent us from doing so.

I said before that this will probably be the first and last time that I will be a delegate for the republican party.Not by my choice but because I'm not seeing anybody in the future to fill Ron Pauls shoes.And even if I did become a delegate they have changed the rules so they can pick and choose which delegates count.

Explain to me why I should stay in the republican party.As a delegate what can I do when we vote for nominations for president?Obstain on all votes because I won't support any of them?

All the BS the republicans have pulled this election...

Tell me why I should stay.

And if you really are a Neocon troll just trying to turn me to the dark side please understand that even if I stay in the Republican party I'm NOT GONNA VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!Or Bush,Ryan,Mcain,Christie,Santorum,Newt or any other neocon So why would you want me in your party?

Last I checked, the LP isn't on enough ballots to win even on paper. Then there's the fact that they don't get into TV debates. Face it, Boobus is too lazy to research this stuff. If it ain't in MSM, Boobus will most likely be ignorant of it.

 

[mport1]

If you are going to do politics, please stay out of 3rd parties. They are a massive waste of time and money.

 

[TheTexan]

If you are going to do politics, please stay out of 3rd parties. They are a massive waste of time and money.

That depends. They're only a massive waste of time and money if the goal is to win elections.

As a tool for organization and maintaining cohesion, in addition to some amount of education, I think it does serve a useful purpose.

 

[Dogsoldier]

 

[mport1]

That depends. They're only a massive waste of time and money if the goal is to win elections.

As a tool for organization and maintaining cohesion, in addition to some amount of education, I think it does serve a useful purpose.

You can educate a lot more people in one of the major parties. Ron Paul is the prime example of this. He is a libertarian who has had much more success using the GOP as his vehicle than the Libertarian Party.

 

[mport1]

This class changed my life forever. It is what first got me interested in libertarianism. If you are still a fan of the Constitution, I highly suggest watching it.

 

[TheTexan]

You can educate a lot more people in one of the major parties. Ron Paul is the prime example of this. He is a libertarian who has had much more success using the GOP as his vehicle than the Libertarian Party.

I'm less concerned about the education aspect lately. I don't think we'll see just a whole lot more success in the near future on that front.

I'm more concerned about cohesion. We need some way of staying organized so that when the collapse hits we are prepared for it. Taking over the Republican party has a role to play there also, but we will need an organization that we can call truly our own so that we can do what we need to do when it comes time to do it.

 

[mport1]

I'm less concerned about the education aspect lately. I don't think we'll see just a whole lot more success in the near future on that front.

I'm more concerned about cohesion. We need some way of staying organized so that when the collapse hits we are prepared for it. Taking over the Republican party has a role to play there also, but we will need an organization that we can call truly our own so that we can do what we need to do when it comes time to do it.

If you want cohesion and the ability to stay organized, the Free State Project is by far the best answer.

 

[TheTexan]

If you want cohesion and the ability to stay organized, the Free State Project is by fart the best answer.

Good point and I completely agree. I wish more people took the FSP more seriously - it has an incredible amount of potential.

 

[WesSeid]

Last I checked, the LP isn't on enough ballots to win even on paper. Then there's the fact that they don't get into TV debates. Face it, Boobus is too lazy to research this stuff. If it ain't in MSM, Boobus will most likely be ignorant of it.

The Libertarian Party needs to hit 15% in polls to get into debates.
If the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the vote in November, it will qualify for 10s of millions in matching funds.

According to Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
"Be Libertarian with me for one election."

 

[Czolgosz]

Take over NH and kick all the statist assholes out. Only obtainable freedom in your or my lifetime.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Last I checked, the LP isn't on enough ballots to win even on paper....

Libertarian Presidential candidate Two-Term Governor Gary Johnson and Vice-Presidential candidate Judge James P. Gray are on track for ballot access in all 50 states plus Washington, D.C.

They are confirmed on the 2012 ballots of 40 states, listed below. Also listed is what is necessary for them to appear on the remaining state ballots. If you have any questions, please send them to [email protected].


Alabama

Must collect 5,000 signatures by September 6. Petitioning in progress.
Alaska

On 2012 ballot.
Arizona

On 2012 ballot.
Arkansas

On 2012 ballot.
California

On 2012 ballot.
Colorado

On 2012 ballot.
Connecticut

Submitted 12,688 signatures. Validation in progress.
Delaware

On 2012 ballot.
DC

Submitted approximately 9,000 signatures. Validation in progress.
Florida

On 2012 ballot.
Georgia

On 2012 ballot.
Hawaii

On 2012 ballot.
Idaho

On 2012 ballot.
Illinois

On 2012 ballot.
Indiana

On 2012 ballot.
Iowa

On 2012 ballot.
Kansas

On 2012 ballot.
Kentucky

Must collect 5,000 signatures by September 7. Petitioning in progress.
Louisiana

On 2012 ballot.
Maine

On 2012 ballot.
Maryland

On 2012 ballot.
Massachusetts

On 2012 ballot.
Michigan

In litigation.
Minnesota

On 2012 ballot.
Mississippi

On 2012 ballot.
Missouri

On 2012 ballot.
Montana

On 2012 ballot.
Nebraska

On 2012 ballot.
Nevada

On 2012 ballot.
New Hampshire

Submitted approximately 20,000 signatures. Validation in progress.
New Jersey

On 2012 ballot.
New Mexico

On 2012 ballot.
New York

Submitted 25,531 signatures. Validation in progress.
North Carolina

On 2012 ballot.
North Dakota

On 2012 ballot.
Ohio

On 2012 ballot.
Oklahoma

In litigation.
Oregon

On 2012 ballot.
Pennsylvania

Submitted 42,000 signatures. Challenge in progress.
Rhode Island

Must collect 1,000 signatures between July 3 and September 7.
South Carolina

On 2012 ballot.
South Dakota

On 2012 ballot.
Tennessee

On 2012 ballot.
Texas

On 2012 ballot.
Utah

On 2012 ballot.
Vermont

On 2012 ballot.
Virginia

Submitted 15,997 signatures. Validation in progress.
Washington

On 2012 ballot.
West Virginia

On 2012 ballot.
Wisconsin

On 2012 ballot.
Wyoming

On 2012 ballot.

 

[mport1]

The Libertarian Party needs to hit 15% in polls to get into debates.
If the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the vote in November, it will qualify for 10s of millions in matching funds.

According to Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
"Be Libertarian with me for one election."

Libertarians (though probably not GJ), believe taxation is theft. It would by hypocritical for them to accept matching funds.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The LP has only really been successful at having state rep level candidates in NH and a few other states such as VT and AK. Most of those candidates weren't even originally elected as LP candidates. Plus, at least in NH, some of the LP candidates are less pro-liberty than Republicans. Oh, and LP members are getting elected as state reps in NH, even today. However, the candidates winning today are members of the LP but run with the Republican Party.

Anyway, my point is, good luck with the LP

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Stop telling me the libertarian party can't win.

I'm not going to go back and find my original post but right now the Libertarian Party isn't even the biggest 3rd party in Nevada.

And no that's not a typo.

You really think a party that can't even carry itself, in perhaps it's best state, among ONLY 3rd parties is going to win anything?

Your out of your mind if you think the LP can do anything. Before Ron Paul came around their numbers had been dwindling and their support was almost non-existent, any recent rebirth of the LP has only been because of what Ron Paul did as A REPUBLICAN and that alone should be proof enough of why wasting any time with the LP is a joke.

I only go at this so harshly because we're going to fracture ourselves into two minorities if we can't unite under the GOP banner. If you really hate these people as much as you say you do then you'll stay in the GOP- the one place they clearly don't want any of us.

I've said it before and i'll say it again... you need sheep to win elections and there are no sheep in the LP.

 

[krazy kaju]

The Libertarian Party needs to hit 15% in polls to get into debates.
If the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the vote in November, it will qualify for 10s of millions in matching funds.

According to Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
"Be Libertarian with me for one election."

Don't believe his BS... check out the link in my sig.