Former Ron staffer: "Rand Must Denounce His Father To Win The Nomination"

[specsaregood]

Note: I wrongly attributed the 30% quote to David Adams. Brian Doherty in fact suggested to Daily Beast that Rand "...has clearly decided that the noisiest Paulites in the Paul wings." "He could afford to lose" A correction will be posted to the article tomorrow.

Quite the misattribution. Doherty suggestion to Daily Beast; both questionable sources to say the least. Any person claiming Randal should denounce his father is a douchebag, plain and simple. And its setting up something that everybody with a lick of sense knows Randal would never do and shouldn't do.

 

[Ronin Truth]

How about if all of the GOP POTUS candidates have to denounce Ronald Reagan in order to win the nomination? Would that turn out well?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I agreed with 99% of your post but took issue with this part.^

The left is frequently calling Rand a conspiracy theorist or his supporters conspiracy theorists. Just today I saw this:

"But instead, he is using Ebola to not only attack President Obama (as are other Republicans, natch) but to push his extremist anti-government agenda that goes beyond healthy skepticism to tin-foil hat conspiracy land..."


from here http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...l-wants-you-to-think-you-re-going-to-die.html

I see and hear this frequently. I remember Lawrence O'Donnell calling Rand's question to Hillary about arms going from Libya to Syria through Turkey "conspiracy theory" the day after the hearing (can't find the tube right now). And so forth. "Paranoia" is another word the left attaches to Rand.

The left also said he worshipped aqua buddha and raped a girl in college. I don't think the conspiracy theory label is sticking. The worst thing he could do is come out and validate his opposition's defamation and throw dedicated passionate supporters under the bus at the same time, which is what the political hack Rasmussen wants.

 

[jjdoyle]

How about if all of the GOP POTUS candidates have to denounce Ronald Reagan in order to win the nomination? Would that turn out well?

I was actually thinking they could denounce the Constitution instead. Have shredding contests with it, for donations. Like the ice bucket challenge, but for furthering tyranny instead. Since the GOP treats it like toilet paper in general, and the majority of its candidates certainly don't take their oath to it seriously, it would at least be closer to the truth. Not that they even really apparently care about the truth either, so I'm not sure who/what they could denounce.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There were and are a subset of supporters who demand that their personal agenda of belittlement and hostility to 9-11 truth be associated with Ron Paul, who did not communicate such attitudes, and have used him as a shield to launch attacks on them as a "lunatic fringe" at every opportunity, as again seen here.

Uh huh.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Uh huh.

Without 9/11 truthers, there would have been no Ron Paul revolution. Also:

 

[William Tell]

 

[LibertyEagle]

Without 9/11 truthers, there would have been no Ron Paul revolution.

Bullshit. But, that's not the point. I'm sure you know that.

 

[cajuncocoa]

When my voice is no longer welcomed here (as a libertarian or as a conspiracy theorist, or whatever), I have often said that I will go quietly. But I will take my money and my vote with me....not that it matters.

 

[TheTexan]

When my voice is no longer welcomed here (as a libertarian or as a conspiracy theorist, or whatever), I have often said that I will go quietly. But I will take my money and my vote with me....not that it matters.

Your vote does matter. It's the only thing noone can take away from you. Its the only thing that separates this great democracy from the savages.

If the day comes your voice is no longer be welcomed here, your voice will always be welcome in the voting booth.

 

[Carlybee]

Your vote does matter. It's the only thing noone can take away from you. Its the only thing that separates this great democracy from the savages.

If the day comes your voice is no longer be welcomed here, your voice will always be welcome in the voting booth.

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[jmdrake]

You know, I don't know how long we will keep playing this silly game. It's obvious to anyone who is remotely objective that Ron Paul's "slap down" of 9/11 truthers in the debate was theater and nothing more. The jackass grilling Ron Paul wouldn't let Dr. Paul continue on the debate without wringing from Ron Paul some denunciation he clearly didn't believe. The subsequent videos that always get posted every time someone posts that stupid debate video proves that. Yet, for some reason, those who want to perpetuate the idea that the debate video actually meant something never address the subsequent videos. And so the charade continues.

Uh huh.

Without 9/11 truthers, there would have been no Ron Paul revolution. Also:

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, ya gotta love Ben Carson's gun-grabbing ways, eh.

I'd take that over Rand's "deport anyone who ever attended a speech by a radical Islamist" ways any day of the week. That said, I prefer Rand. But there's no way I would support him if he denounced his father, especially over something his father is so obviously right on like the fact that Russia's annexation of Crimea is none of our business. LE, you were one of the first people I informed about Rand endorsing torture back when he was running for senate. I kept quite about it. But if you expect me to be a stupid lemming, well you don't know me as well as you think you do. I think Rand Paul is a great man. But Rand worship does this movement no good. If Rand were to denounce his father then what would be the point of Ron Paul forums? That said, it ain't gonna happen. It's wishful thinking by some former campaign staffer(s) would sucked at their job so badly the our hard earned "moneybomb" donations were spent in 2008 on crap commercials like "He's catching on I'm telling you" on in 2012 was wasted on attacking everybody but Mitt Romney will supposedly executing a (dishonest) "delegate" strategy that would have required only attacking Mitt Romney. Ron Paul Inc's "etch-a-sketch" ad should have been counted as an in kind contribution to the Mitt Romney campaign as it only had the effect of attacking Romney's opponents for attacking Romney's flip flopping.

 

[specsaregood]

Jeez, this crap again? Go rehash the myriad of other truther threads. The OP and the author have gotten what they wanted all along, divisiveness and disillusionment; well played trolls.

 

[jmdrake]

I think he was a consultant Ron hired for a short period of time. He was a slimy fellow; one not predisposed to telling the truth.

You should remember him, Deb. http://www.theblaze.com/author/don-rasmussen/



He's right about this part. There were and are a small subset of so-called supporters that believe that because they donated 50 bucks to Ron's campaign, that they bought their ticket to piggyback their own personal agenda, whether Dr. Paul agreed with it or not, off of his campaign. So, yeah, Rasmussen was right about this part.

Did you even read the article before going off on your own personal agenda? Rassmussen was wanting Rand to denounce Ron's foreign policy!

 

[jmdrake]

It would be the dumbest move of his political career. Every serious Paul supporter I know is conspiracy theorist by mainstream standards. It would be perceived as attacking the JBS, and Larry McDonald, and Ron Paul. It would also make a narrative in the media that he is desperate, and somehow actually linked to people he is throwing 'under the bus'

Would he bring up the issues by himself?

Nah, it wouldn't. Apparently, you weren't around here during the '08 campaign.

William Tell is right, but you apparently don't understand what he's saying. Believing that there is a plan for a "North American Union" is a "conspiracy theory" by mainstream standards. Believing the government is buying up ammo to make it scarce as a form of gun control is a "conspiracy theory" by mainstream standards. Believing MLK was a communist is a "conspiracy theory" by mainstream standards. Here's an example of what much of the rest of the world sees as a "conspiracy theory".

 

[cajuncocoa]

Your vote does matter. It's the only thing noone can take away from you. Its the only thing that separates this great democracy from the savages.

If the day comes your voice is no longer be welcomed here, your voice will always be welcome in the voting booth.

Vote hard.

 

[TheTexan]

Vote hard.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

When my voice is no longer welcomed here (as a libertarian or as a conspiracy theorist, or whatever), I have often said that I will go quietly. But I will take my money and my vote with me....not that it matters.

I agree with you, only that I won't be going quietly. If the liberty movement is successfully co-opted and destroyed by scumbag right wingers, the Kochs, the 'libertarian left' or whoever else, it will get EXTREMELY ugly. That is a guarantee.

 

[jmdrake]

Carson has improved dramatically on guns. Last thing we have to break him of (re firearms) is this 'smartgun' thing. He still has a few fiscal policy issues that need improvement also, but the speed at which he is improving makes me think he is going through an awakening, and that gives me a lot of hope. If he continues on the this direction, I might could support him for a federal office within about 18 months.

That is, assuming of course that he continues his current growth trend.

My thoughts exactly.