Formal complaint to Louisiana GOP

[FreeMan]

There was no fraud here.

No fraud was committed.

Where if your proof to make these broad definitive claims? I'm not saying I support the original poster but it's clearly not possible to make this statement.

 

[minitri97]

Folks, you are talking about Louisiana here, the first sign of something being wrong would be if there were NOT fraud and shenanigains in politics.

 

[Ironyinc]

Where if your proof to make these broad definitive claims? I'm not saying I support the original poster but it's clearly not possible to make this statement.

Burden of proof should be upon the people who are claiming that something DID happen, not the people who are saying that fraud wasn't committed.

 

[melianthus]

Where if your proof to make these broad definitive claims? I'm not saying I support the original poster but it's clearly not possible to make this statement.

I am responding directly to his assertion that the manner in which the slates of delegates were put together represents fraud. Nothing else.

It is not fraud to put together a slate of delegates and call yourself the Ronald Reagan Pro-life slate.

As I said on another thread. These events are very local. Many many of the people know each other. No one was tricked into voting for anyone.

 

[Gadsdenfly]

+200 to those who are against this.

Please don't harrass the state GOP. These shrill and hysterical reactions make us look like idiots.

 

[Doriath]

I'm having trouble seeing a voter fraud case here.

It isn't as if these were federal or state or local elections. These were Republican Party caucuses.

It is their party, after all, and they have the right to set up their own elections however they want, and bar whoever they want. In fact, they did: it was a closed caucus, Democrats and Independents couldn't vote. Does that mean they were disenfranchised?

 

[IcyPeaceMaker]

It is not fraud to put together a slate of delegates and call yourself the Ronald Reagan Pro-life slate.

You're right, if that's what you did, but when you advertise that you're asking people to vote for pro-life and in fact that is deceptive and your slate is actually McMitt, that's fraud. What part of the definition are you having trouble with, I'll try to help.

fraud
Pronunciation: \ˈfrȯd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date: 14th century
1 a: deceit trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

 

[mokkan88]

OMG, get a life.

Making threats and harassing the GOP is how this movement continues to undermine itself.

If you don't have a lawyer lined up, and/or the money necessary to pursue legal action,

DON'T MAKE THREATS!

You'll come off like an idiot.

Do you expect to buddy up with the GOP by playing nice?

 

[melianthus]

How OLD are you? Twelve?

Are you telling me that you actually think that politicians are going to be charged with fraud for LYING TO PEOPLE?? This is a political operation. And it is not against the law to lie to people in politics. If it were, politics would cease to exist.

You're right, if that's what you did, but when you advertise that you're asking people to vote for pro-life and in fact that is deceptive and your slate is actually McMitt, that's fraud. What part of the definition are you having trouble with, I'll try to help.

fraud
Pronunciation: \ˈfrȯd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date: 14th century
1 a: deceit trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

 

[kevman657]

Next time, before you act, put yourself in their position. If you work for the LA GOP and you hate Ron Paul, and all you see coming through on the results is votes for RP delegates, do you really think hearing a threat will make one act?


Louisiana seems to be the most organized campaign we've run so far. Let it be.

 

[BillyFromPhilly]

Folks, you are talking about Louisiana here, the first sign of something being wrong would be if there were NOT fraud and shenanigains in politics.

best line of the day right there!

 

[IcyPeaceMaker]

I'm very well past the age of majority.

Like an umpire, I call them like I see them. If it looks like a duck...........

I personally saw, first hand, what those theives did, I know the law, and they broke it. I intend to have their asses dodging prison terms, and I don't mean the GOP, I mean the perpetrators. And I hope it was done with the candidates' knowledge so I can have them playing dodge the weenie, which will happen anyway, whether they knew it or not. It will hit them when it can do the most damage.

 

[mortepa]

How OLD are you? Twelve?

Are you telling me that you actually think that politicians are going to be charged with fraud for LYING TO PEOPLE?? This is a political operation. And it is not against the law to lie to people in politics. If it were, politics would cease to exist.

At least IPM is trying to do something about it. Fraud or not, it is unfair. Especially that the LAGOP is involved with their support and advertising of this group. How is that not collusion and a conflict of interest?

I can't believe people are sitting here taking the fist being shoved down our throats. This is so wrong on so many levels.

I have never been a fanatic idiot that rants on and on about things on this board or elsewhere. This issue needs attention and LA residents need to speak out...

 

[Agora]

I just sent the below to the Louisiana GOP, please demand that they act upon this.

The "Right to Life and Pro family" group who made appearances in all 7 Louisiana District Caucuses committed a FELONY under the provisions of Title 18 United States Code section 241.

I want to formally complain to the GOP first, and if nothing is done within 5 days, I'll make a formal complaint to the proper authorities in writing.

What they did constituted a FELONY!!!!

They conspired to defraud voters by going in disguise, on the highways, to oppress voting rights, by having delegates elected who were anything but uncommitted. "The Right to Life and Pro Family" group was in fact a colition of Romney, McCain, Guiliani and Huckabee, and they did in fact defraud Louisiana voters of free, fair and informed elections within the Republican caucuses.

Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241
Conspiracy Against Rights

well, if you can prove that they were committed, that would help.
seems reasonable move to complain.

 

[FluffyUnbound]

You people need to get certain indisputable facts through your heads:

1. All the delegates are uncommitted. If running as an uncommitted delegate even though you support someone is fraud, then the Paul campaign has also committed fraud.

2. All the stuff with handing out flyers, setting up tables, talking to people at the caucus - all of it is utterly outside of the official process. The fact that our guys identified themselves in these "unofficial" ways as Paul supporters, and the other guys didn't? Irrelevant. No one was under any obligation to disclose anything once they were on the ballot. If our guys all wanted to stay home and not hand out flyers or do anything to identify themselves as Paul supporters, they were utterly entitled to do so. The only thing that matters to the official process is the ballot - and on the ballot, everyone is equally uncommitted and no candidate affiliations appear.

3. Any of these delegates - and any of ours, if we get any - can change their minds about who they are supporting any time they want. No representation made at the time of voting is enforceable or matters. You can't defraud anyone when no voter has any legal right to demand that a delegate vote a certain way.

Everyone thinks that voters got "tricked", when it's nothing of the kind. The establishment candidates united and got out the vote of the establishment voters. Ron Paul people were right there, trying to get these votes, and they didn't get them. Republican swine voted "Anybody But Paul" and they did so quite deliberately, because they are swine.

 

[IcyPeaceMaker]

The people who elected these pro-life delegates thought they were supporting an anti-abortion coalition, when in fact they were duped/defrauded into supporting McMitt delegates.

I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend. What they did was unethical, unlawful and just plain wrong. Deception is unlawful in business and in almost any field of human endevor, but particularly when it is done to defraud the population of America of their meaningful right to vote.

 

[jersdream]

AHAHHAHAHAHAH @ let Louisiana handle it. They failed us, greatly. And the arrogant assholes there were celebrating last night, shrugging off the PLPF ticket. Screw them, don't trust the people of the most corrupt state in the U.S.

 

[melianthus]

The people who elected these pro-life delegates thought they were supporting an anti-abortion coalition, when in fact they were duped/defrauded into supporting McMitt delegates.

No they weren't, and that is what YOU aren't getting. These people KNEW who they were voting for. This is a LOCAL event. Everyone knows everyone sort of thing. Noone was duped into anything. Get a brain!

 

[jenninlouisiana]

All district delegates are "uncommitted" in the eyes of the GOP. In fact, we don't want to be stripped on a technicality that we put "ron paul" on our hand-outs(I actually didn't "get it" until yesterday.. we're all uncommitted... even I am uncommitted).

Also, there is a Ron Paul guy on the PL/PF slate.

PLEASE STOP DOING THESE THINGS! You are going to make it WORSE for us.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

There was no one duped. I watched all the church groups come in together and go straight to the PLPF guy to get the ballots. *Everyone* there knew each other. It was the same way with Ron Paul... we swayed a few people, but other than tha... 98% of people who voted for us knew it when they walked in the door.