Foreigners face ban on buying homes in New Zealand

[Brian4Liberty]

Rainbows and unicorns.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You cannot give any organization the ability to beat, cage, and kill others and steal their belongings and call it "small" or "limited." No government has remained small.

On the contrary, even if we accept your twisted definition of properly administered government as no different in principle than tyranny there is a huge variation in size and scope possible, anarchy is not possible so arranging to keep the inevitable government and the small end of the spectrum is the best possible option.

And calling your mass militaristic police state "freedom" is delusional and stupid.

If that is what I wanted you would be correct but that description is totally inaccurate when applied to the minarchy I desire.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I do not.

I want to get rid of it.

Importing millions more people who want it, does not make my job easier.

Why is this so hard to understand?

It's easy to understand watching it happen internally, as Texas gets Californicated.

Pierz is either insane or a crypto-communist who is seeking to use twisted libertarian principles to turn America into a communist state through a massive barbarian invasion, he will never address the point you are making because he can't without admitting his insanity or maliciousness.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Bull$#@!.

How do you think you are going to attack 11 million people and deprive them of their lives, liberty, and property without your roving bands of jackboots? How are you going to know who is and isn't an immigrant without national registration, tracing, and monitoring? How are you going to violate the property, association, and exchange rights of all 325 million Americans without using militaristic police violence to enforce your rule? How are you going to militarize the border and pay for your $25 billion+ in upfront costs and billions more in endless costs without the violence and theft of taxation? Or how you are going to prevent the free exchange of goods and services across borders without extortion, theft, and police state monitoring of said exchanges and the use of violence against those who don't follow your edicts? All of these things, and everything else required to bring about your vision, require a giant, expansive militaristic police state to force your will upon the masses.

It can and has been done without the tyranny you blather about, sensible moderate measures will cause the invaders to leave on their own or not come in the first place, at the very least keeping more from coming in can easily be done cheaply.

You're just another jackboot Progressive who wants to pretend somehow violating the Life, Liberty, and Property of millions of people and violating the US Constitution is warranted because it will create your perfect utopia. You're deluded and you either ignore or don't care about the real cost in liberty and blood that your policies require to force upon the millions of peaceful people who want nothing to do with them.

Nationalist thugs like you are a scarier problem than any imaginary threat from abroad.

The threat from abroad is not imaginary, if you don't like us you should be scared stiff of the society that the invaders will create but you are either insane or a communist who wants the invaders to turn us into Venezuela, in my opinion you are probably both.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I've looked at plenty of data. It supports my stance. But the "data" is irrelevant. Your threat of commies is imaginary. Your solution -full throated Fascism- is very real. You want to fight the possibility of communism with the actuality of National Socialism and then tell be that is "freedom."

I'm sorry. But I don't buy the line of militaristic police state bull$#@! you're serving.

 

[Krugminator2]

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/10/16/immigration-controversies

These immigrants were usually well-educated, and often had higher labor force participation rates and lower unemployment rates than the native Swedes. That all began to change as the growing number of immigrants came increasingly from the Middle East, with Iraqis becoming the largest immigrant group in Sweden.
This changing trend was accompanied by a sharply increased use of the government's "social assistance" program, from 6 percent in the pre-1976 era to 41 percent in the 1996-1999 period.
But, even in this later period, fewer than 7 percent of the immigrants from Scandinavia and Western Europe used "social assistance," while 44 percent of the immigrants from the Middle East used that welfare state benefit.

Immigrants, who were by this time 16 percent of Sweden's population, had become 51 percent of the long-term unemployed and 57 percent of the people receiving welfare payments. The proportion of foreigners in prison was 5 times their proportion in the population of the country.​

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The point of all this is that there is no such thing as immigrants in general, whether in Europe or America. Yet all too many of the intelligentsia in the media and in academia talk as if immigrants were abstract people in an abstract world, to whom we could apply abstract principles — such as "we are all descendants of immigrants."

Since I am a free-trader, readers might expect my preferred alternative to the present system to be 19th century-style unlimited immigration. I would support that if we lived in the 19th century world where government spending was tiny. But governments now spend huge amounts on medical care, retirement, education, and other benefits and entitlements. Experience demonstrates that in our political system, it is impossible to prevent immigrants, even those here illegally, to gain access to these benefits. I believe that with unlimited immigration, many would come mainly because they are attracted by these government benefits, and they would then be voting to influence future government spending and other public policies. Given these realities of free immigration, the best alternative to the present quota system is an ancient way of allocating a scarce and popular good; namely, by charging a price that clears the market.

This would help quiet anti-immigration rhetoric as it induces countries to take more immigrants. In addition, since anyone willing to pay the entry price could then legally immigrate, this approach should also cut down the number who enter illegally. Still, some persons will continue to try, especially if they want to avoid paying the fee, or only want to work for a short time in the United States. However, border and other immigration personnel would become more efficient in combating illegal entrants since they would have to deal with smaller numbers. It should become easier also to expel and even punish illegal entrants because they would get less sympathy from the American public than under the present system. After all, they usually could have entered legally, but tried to chisel out of paying. In summary, charging a fee to immigrate would raise tax revenue, increase the number of immigrants accepted, and also raise the quality of those accepted. It is a win-win situation for countries accepting immigrants, and for the vast majority of persons who would like to immigrate.

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2005/02/sell-the-right-to-immigrate-becker.html

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nationalist thugs like you are a scarier problem than any imaginary threat from abroad.

I don't want your money, property, liberty.

Millions of migrants do...and I'm the threat.

So, meh, whatever...So I'm a bigoted, racist, nationalist (even though I mentioned nothing about race and would be just as opposed if it were lily white Euro commies invading)...whatever.

Don't really care very much what you have to say or what you think about it.

Nothing new under the sun...somebody had to open the gates of Rome to the barbarians.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Pierz is either insane or a crypto-communist who is seeking to use twisted libertarian principles to turn America into a communist state through a massive barbarian invasion, he will never address the point you are making because he can't without admitting his insanity or maliciousness.

An anarcho communist maybe...I dunno.

It really is laughable when you think about it: I have posted so many examples of police abuse that the site's moderators made a whole sub forum to post stuff in about police abuse because it was making people "uncomfortable".

I've chipped in to bail people out of jail who were wrongfully accused.

I pay good money in dues to support The Innocence Project and Institute for Justice.

But I'm boot licking copsucker.

LOL...fucking guy's a maroon...fuck him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

An anarcho communist maybe...I dunno.

It really is laughable when you think about it: I have posted so many examples of police abuse that the site's moderators made a whole sub forum to post stuff in about police abuse because it was making people "uncomfortable".

I've chipped in to bail people out of jail who were wrongfully accused.

I pay good money in dues to support The Innocence Project and Institute for Justice.

But I'm boot licking copsucker.

LOL...$#@!ing guy's a maroon...$#@! him.

I think I have found a real picture of him:

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/10/16/immigration-controversies



http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2005/02/sell-the-right-to-immigrate-becker.html

[h=1]Mises on Nationalism, the Right of Self-Determination, and the Problem of Immigration[/h]

 

[Danke]

An anarcho communist maybe...I dunno.

It really is laughable when you think about it: I have posted so many examples of police abuse that the site's moderators made a whole sub forum to post stuff in about police abuse because it was making people "uncomfortable".

I've chipped in to bail people out of jail who were wrongfully accused.

I pay good money in dues to support The Innocence Project and Institute for Justice.

But I'm boot licking copsucker.

LOL...fucking guy's a maroon...fuck him.

Even Ron Paul sees the problem. Yes he is not for closed borders, but he knows as long as they are open under our current system, we all pay for them with taxation, that he views as theft.

So the solution, build a double fence, relatively cheep with cameras and border guards (that we already have).

Until we have a true free market and eliminate benefits not paid for, this will save taxpayers billions a year.

 

[Danke]

There's a problem?

More boats, more pirates and more h.omo sailors.

 

[Madison320]

You cannot give any organization the ability to beat, cage, and kill others and steal their belongings and call it "small" or "limited." No government has remained small.

You're missing the point. You don't have to "give" governments that ability. That ability exists by default for anyone with superior force.