*Foreign Policy Ad Extremely Vital at this Point*

[BigByrd47119]

I love Dr. Paul, so please understand me when I say this but...if he looses the nomination it will because of a lack of clarity on his foreign policy stance, or at least a lack of layman's terms for the masses to easily digest.

 

[mport1]

How many months (years) have we been saying this? Since he ran the last time? Right. Sorry people, but if RP doesn't make it this time...there is no other "Just wait for 2016." It's now or never.

Yep, those of us who have been around for awhile have been calling for this type of thing for years. Ron Paul is able to win some people over with his explanations on this, but it is clearly not good enough. We need a well thought out, tested method to more effectively communicate his FP. War hawks will not come around any time soon but I'd say the large majority of people would if the message can just be communicated more effectively.

Has anybody heard one way or the other from the campaign why this has not been done yet, and if something is in the works? We need to find some way to put the pressure on them for this. It is ridiculous that this has not been a top priority.

 

[RaptorNtc]

This is the same issue we had in the 07 campaign. This is an issue that needs to be addressed for the republican base to understand his foreign policy, yet the campaign refuses to fix it.

People didn't ask for Benton to step down for no reason.

 

[mport1]

What can we do to get their attention? A massive call and/or email flood?

 

[thoughtomator]

This ad has over 800k views... probably 40 of them me

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

This ad has over 800k views... probably 40 of them me

Unfortunately, this is the type of thing that those who typically call for a foreign policy ad are completely against.

Why that is I don't know; it's one of Ron's most concise and powerful foreign policy messages.

 

[are9are9s]

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[SonofThunder]

Unfortunately, this is the type of thing that those who typically call for a foreign policy ad are completely against.

Why that is I don't know; it's one of Ron's most concise and powerful foreign policy messages.

Because that simply points out the problem, the negative, the "what we're against."

To win people over, you have to explain to them what you would do, and why that would be better.

We apparently don't do that, and a lot of the members here don't even think we need to. This is the reason we aren't winning.

 

[mport1]

BUMP!

 

[Okie RP fan]

What can we do to get their attention? A massive call and/or email flood?

No clue, other than keeping things like this up. We can only hope that some people from the campaign see this. I am calling the campaign HQ (listed on the contacts of the 2012 site) to try and see if there is a way I can get the message through that way, but, I doubt it.

 

[A. Havnes]

YES! NEED! WANT!

His foreign policy needs to be explained as a way to make America stronger. His phrasing of it is pretty bad, because he's always pointing out America's foreign policy shortcomings, making it easy for the media to spin his words as blaming America. If he'd speak more positively, then I'm sure some of the hawks would come around.

Granted, I like that he tells it like it is, but some people just can't face that kind of bluntness.

 

[klamath]

It is not going to happen. I fought and fought for this in the fall as well as many others but RP himself refuses to listen. Even tom Woods says RP will NEVER take advice, even from him. This is who RP is and it is the charactor that made him be the only no vote on many issues. Nobody pushes him on anything. He has lost the campaign on this issue but for the people wanting a win get over it. It is about a philosophical movement now and we should put our hearts behind that so that the disappointment of not winning doesn't totally demoralize you.

 

[Hoax]

He doesn't need to explain why his foreign policy is better - that's what he's been doing and either people understand it or they don't. He needs to explain how he is going to defend the country, with a concrete example or two. And he needs to make it clear that the US Navy will continue to patrol the shipping lanes - which I assume they still would because doing so doesn't infringe on any other country's sovereignty, and it is vital for trade. And that should put the issue to bed. Why has the campaign not done this?

 

[jsem]

NeoCons need a lesson in empathy.

 

[coffeewithgames]

He has lost the campaign on this issue but for the people wanting a win get over it. It is about a philosophical movement now and we should put our hearts behind that so that the disappointment of not winning doesn't totally demoralize you.

So basically you're saying to not donate to the campaign, stop supporting the campaign, and RP should drop out now, and refund all the money he has left to donors that gave the campaign money?
I mean seriously, if the campaign is not serious about winning and addressing the issues preventing RP from winning the REPUBLICAN nomination, why donate money to them? So they can continue to run attack ads, and ads with little actual substance to wake people up?

 

[UK4Paul]

It is not going to happen. I fought and fought for this in the fall as well as many others but RP himself refuses to listen. Even tom Woods says RP will NEVER take advice, even from him. This is who RP is and it is the charactor that made him be the only no vote on many issues. Nobody pushes him on anything. He has lost the campaign on this issue but for the people wanting a win get over it. It is about a philosophical movement now and we should put our hearts behind that so that the disappointment of not winning doesn't totally demoralize you.

OK, then... but can't a SUPERPAC still do this?

Focus on the STRENGTHS of Ron's foreign policy, i.e.

- defending the borders
- no nation building, which makes enemies abroad

etc.

These ideas need brainstorming and expanding, but you get the idea. We might be able to persuade a superpac to do it.

 

[klamath]

So basically you're saying to not donate to the campaign, stop supporting the campaign, and RP should drop out now, and refund all the money he has left to donors that gave the campaign money?
I mean seriously, if the campaign is not serious about winning and addressing the issues preventing RP from winning the REPUBLICAN nomination, why donate money to them? So they can continue to run attack ads, and ads with little actual substance to wake people up?

No, because the bigger block of voters he wins the more the movement gather steam. This is very important. The ideas and issues are never granted a second look for someone that gathers 5% of the vote but win 16 or 20% across the country and people take note.
An idependent run is not out of the question either. He won't win it as an independent but he would still continue to address his issues in general election debates if he maintains over 10% of the vote. It would grow peoples acceptance of his ideas to an even greater extent because then more democrats would be hearing his answers.

 

[AuH20]

This is futile. Paul is who he is. Erroneously sounding like OBL isn't the path to the nomination. In his defense, the media has pushed the issue disproportionately.

 

[coffeewithgames]

OK, then... but can't a SUPERPAC still do this?

Focus on the STRENGTHS of Ron's foreign policy, i.e.

- defending the borders
- no nation building, which makes enemies abroad

etc.

These ideas need brainstorming and expanding, but you get the idea. We might be able to persuade a superpac to do it.

See, that's the problem. A SUPER PAC should not be focusing on touting RP's POSITIVES, a SUPER PAC is designed to run negatives, so the campaign can remain clean, and have deniability. What has happened though, is the campaign has been ineffective on the newsletters issues, not addressing them for nearly 2 weeks in any meaningful way, which resulted in a 3rd place finish in Iowa. It also resulted in a Super PAC producing a commercial, that should have been produced immediately by the campaign instead, and run in Iowa to dispell the lamestream media on the issue quickly.
The campaign has not addressed the foreign policy issue, or gone after senior voters, and now Super PACS are having to run ads (that might not be the best) trying to get positive messages out for RP. The campaign has MILLIONS, the Super PACs nowhere near the campaign, and yet the two are producing very different ads.

Why? If the campaign's goal is to simply destroy all Republican candidates and get President Obama reelected (which is likely to happen against anyone but RP anyway), they are doing a great job. If we are to believe as many around here have said, "It's about the message", though, their advertising/ads makes 0 sense.

They have no grassroots person addressing issues with us regularly, and clearly they have ignored all emails on addressing the foreign policy issue in a different way.
I wonder if RP will just stay in this race until the convention, then release another book like he did in 2008?

"An idependent run is not out of the question either."
Hopefully it is, and according to Doug Wead, "It's not going to happen." Why would they want to waste more time/money, when they have money now, and apparently can't even get out ads in a timely manner?

 

[Butchie]

Unfortunately, this is the type of thing that those who typically call for a foreign policy ad are completely against.

Why that is I don't know; it's one of Ron's most concise and powerful foreign policy messages.

I would say this ad would be ineffective because it assumes most NeoCons are willing to put themselves in someone else's shoes and they are not, as far as they are concerned America is right and better than everyone and can do as it pleases, do you recall the debate Mon where the "Golden Rule" got viciously booed? This ad would do nothing to convince a conservative, works well on liberals, but not conservatives.