Foreign Language Flyers

[AlexMerced]

 

[PennCustom4RP]

A point to be remembered, If the person is not proficient in English to read a simple flyer, this person probably is not a citizen as English proficiency is required for citizenship. Therefor this person cannot vote anyway.

 

[Tsoman]

I think it's definitely a good idea to promote Ron Paul in Spanish and other languages. It fits in with the "many types of people, one common goal" theme of the campaign.

 

[goldenequity]

I think it's definitely a good idea to promote Ron Paul in Spanish and other languages. It fits in with the "many types of people, one common goal" theme of the campaign.

absolutely agree!

 

[lasenorita]

Instead of/Aside from creating a foreign language flyer, why not create one with *simple* English. For example, Wikipedia has a section called Simple English Wikipedia which is intended for people whose first language is not English.

According to the Washington Times:

Only about half of Hispanic immigrants who have earned U.S. citizenship can speak English well or even somewhat well, a new study has found, even though the citizenship test usually requires immigrants to demonstrate English proficiency.

And these flyers do not even necessarily have to be created solely for naturalized citizens. There are quite a few American voters who are sadly lacking when it comes to English literacy. Yes, they speak English and all, but they have a hard time deciphering words like 'liberty' and 'Constitutional'. Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton are two who come to mind. (I'm joking!)

 

[mopar.bo]

Instead of/Aside from creating a foreign language flyer, why not create one with *simple* English. For example, Wikipedia has a section called Simple English Wikipedia which is intended for people whose first language is not English.

I could get behind that. That's a compromise that works for both sides.

 

[voiceactivated]

Alex:

American culture is not the culture of diversity, it is the culture of assimilation. Legal immigrants have always been welcomed here. We say "Welcome to America. You are now one of us!" If immigrants do not learn the language they cannot undertand the culture. If they do not understand the cuture they cannot assimilate. Without assimilation we are not "One Nation, under God", we are nothing more than a collection of tribes, each jockying for their own set of rules and standards.

 

[Politeia]

I see no problem...

in reaching out to people whose native language is other than English, if Alex and others want to put the time and effort into doing so. It's a free-market campaign.

I am an American whose ancestors came here from Britain over 300 years ago (that's right, in the 1660s), and helped to found this Republic. I do agree that anyone who wishes to become part of this country's experiment in self-governance (i.e. a Citizen, with voting privileges) should learn English -- not because of any identification of this country with British ethnicity, but because that's the language our founding documents were written in, and it is the ideas and ideals in those documents on which this country was founded, rather than any particular ethnicity, religion, race or even language. This may seem a fine point, but it is important.

Thus, while I firmly oppose granting citizenship to anyone not reasonably fluent in English (an ability to read and understand the Declaration and Constitution should be the test -- though admittedly many native-born Anglos would fail that), or printing ballots or other government documents in any other language (a practice which is certainly divisive, and deliberately so, I believe), I also oppose "nativist" types who try to identify "Americanism" with their ("white" Anglo) language, culture, ethnicity or race.

This is why, for instance, I can't support the Constitution Party, who, despite their name (too bad they're squatting on it), seem to have as their first goal the establishment of Christianity (their version, of course) as the State Religion of the United States. Talk about picking-and-choosing which parts of the Constitution you're going to "uphold and defend"!

The truth is, we are all immigrants here -- except perhaps the indigenous tribes, who were also immigrants but were the first humans to occupy this continent. We "white" Europeans have no moral right to claim this land as our own, unless it is to create something new in the world, a nation founded not on ethnicity but on ideals of liberty and equality, where anyone and everyone who is willing to join the covenant is welcome.

When Ron Paul was invited to speak to an Arab American group in Michigan, someone asked him if he had a special message for them. No, he replied, just the same speech he gives to everyone. I like that. But I also like that he was happy to speak to them as a group. And I believe they (and other "minorities") really like being addressed as equals by an "old white guy" who doesn't pander to their supposed "special needs". And I really like seeing people of different religions, races, ethnicities involved in the rEVOLution.

And I've liked seeing deaf interpreters at some of the good Doctor's speeches. That isn't "kissing [anybody's] butt", it's just having the courtesy -- and the wisdom -- to reach out to everyone. So long as the message remains the same to everyone, I see no harm in translating the introduction, if someone wants to do it. It doesn't hurt, and it may help. Those who are liable to become interested will make the effort to learn more; those who are not, won't.

 

[mopar.bo]

Alex:

American culture is not the culture of diversity, it is the culture of assimilation. Legal immigrants have always been welcomed here. We say "Welcome to America. You are now one of us!" If immigrants do not learn the language they cannot undertand the culture. If they do not understand the cuture they cannot assimilate. Without assimilation we are not "One Nation, under God", we are nothing more than a collection of tribes, each jockying for their own set of rules and standards.

Bingo

 

[AlexMerced]

Most of my flyers are pretty simple like the following:

Can you guys live with those?

 

[AlexMerced]

And I've liked seeing deaf interpreters at some of the good Doctor's speeches. That isn't "kissing [anybody's] butt", it's just having the courtesy -- and the wisdom -- to reach out to everyone. So long as the message remains the same to everyone, I see no harm in translating the introduction, if someone wants to do it. It doesn't hurt, and it may help. Those who are liable to become interested will make the effort to learn more; those who are not, won't.

BINGO

 

[mopar.bo]

To compare a deaf person with an immigrant is foolish. I can point out many an immigrant who refuses to learn English. Show me one deaf person who wouldn't love to be able to hear.

This type of stuff is to be expected from a self-hating panderer like yourself.

 

[voiceactivated]

Alex:

I disagree with you. American culture is not the culture of diversity, it is the culture of assimilation. Legal immigrants have always been welcomed here. We say "Welcome to America. You are now one of us!" If immigrants do not learn the language they cannot undertand the culture. If they do not understand the cuture they cannot assimilate. Without assimilation we are not "One Nation, under God", we are nothing more than a collection of tribes, each jockying for their own set of rules and standards.

 

[AlexMerced]

lol, for the record I agree that you should learn english to become a llegal immigrant, I'm not arguing that, I just think this outreach is pivotal for early states like Nevada and Florida, but trust me I agree with you guys a lot more than you think I do.

 

[mopar.bo]

I can't imagine too many Spanish speakers jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon after a little investigation into his immigration policies.

 

[Arklatex]

Woah there, there are plenty of errors in that spanish ad, have they been addressed?

I'd be happy to point them out if they haven't already been fixed???

 

[AlexMerced]

most Latino are proenforcing the borders, my whoe family hates illegal immigration and are against the welfare state, and most Latinos I know share the same feelings. Plus the catholic thing.

Yeah I know theres errors, someone on facebook gave me re-write if you want to PM one to me and I'll be editing in a bit, again, I speakr spanish better than I write. My ajapnese ain't what it used to be, not it really got anywhere. I also need to get back on the ball with learning tagalog and yucatec.

 

[AlexMerced]

David Huerta (Phoenix, AZ) wrote
at 4:43pm
Ron Paul has so much to offer to Latin America, in terms of not strong-arming their governments into corruption via the CIA, not making them dependent on reserves of fiat currency, ending unfair trade policies that cripple the free-market production of corn in Mexico (thus causing immigration of Mexican farmers to US farms), and ending the countless loss of life in Latin America due to the drug war. Support for a mere fence on the Mexican border is hardly enough to deter the Spanish-speaking vote away from Dr. Paul. Viva la Revolucion!

I thought he put it pretty well

 

[mopar.bo]

It's not about what he can offer Latin America. How about what he can offer the United States of America? I don't give two wombat shits in Hell what those fuckers in Venezuela do or say. They aren't going to be voting in our elections anyway.

 

[Politeia]

This type of stuff is to be expected from a self-hating panderer like yourself.

Whaa? And whence comes this gem of psychoanalytic insight? How is it "self-hating" to prefer to be polite and generous in my encounters with others? The only sentiments I've seen in this thread that could be associated with "hatred" are not coming from me.

I can point out many an immigrant who refuses to learn English.

I expect I could too, if I bothered to look, since I live in one of the states hardest hit by the immigrant flood. (Which also happens to be the one state in the union which has two official languages, which I must regard as only fair, since [a] it was added by conquest rather than voluntarily, and when it became a state the overwhelming majority were not English speakers.) And I would prefer for all such "immigrants" to be sent home. Nor would they have come here in the first place if not for the NWO policies pursued by the forces presently occupying Washington, D.C.

But I don't think Alex's parents are in this category, nor is everyone else who hasn't yet fully learned English. Have you ever tried to learn -- fully learn, as in complete fluency -- another language? Even with the best of intentions, it doesn't happen overnight. And though I'm skilled with languages, I recognize that not everyone is -- for instance, a friend's Japanese-born wife, who's been here for years, still isn't very good with English, though it's the only language she hears all day, and she certainly tries.

Again, my point is that the test for true "Americanism" ultimately should not be even linguistic, but political: Does the person really want to live in the America intended by the Founders, a.k.a. a Ron Paul America, of limited government and liberty based on self-responsibility? So far as I'm concerned, any such person is welcome, regardless of what language they speak at home. And, frankly, anyone who does not share these values is not welcome, even if they were born here.

BTW, is that Robert E. Lee I see in your avatar? You may be surprised to know that I regard him as one of the all-time greatest Americans, on a par with Washington, Jefferson, Madison, et al. Though my ancestors regrettably fought for Lincoln's imperialistic vision of a unitary America, I believe the Confederacy had more the right of that conflict.