For those of us on "The Right" the time has come for clear thinking.

[kahless]

There are already several controlled opposition groups to be a part of,,just join any group??

Just Don't think for yourself. and don't seek like minded..

YMMV

ha ha, that is not what I was saying. Of course seek like minded, just using an example and ensuring my posts are not misinterpreted as a call for "individuals" to do things at "gun point".

 

[acptulsa]

Don't really understand the "Why"?

For the same reason they're pretending this bad chest cold going around is killing many times more people than the typical flu. Because a scared populace welcomes the jackboot troops, at least until they learn better. And by then it's too late. The last tattered remnants of the Constitution are flushed.

 

[belian78]

I am using it to clearly emphasize the nature of an ineffectual Libertarian. You fit that description, so I apply it to you. Beyond that, I do not care at all about your concerns regarding the position taken by AF and myself. If you hope it does not take hold, then your arguments will win out. If people decide that being easily destroyed by Machiavellians does not suit them, then they can act accordingly.

LOL Dude you have no idea who I am. "You fit that description" If you make up classifications for people by having an abbreviated conversation on one specific topic as to how it effects another single topic, well I don't know why anyone would take a second to listen to anything you have to say. This coupled with how you ended your post with a strawman and a line that makes no sense, you're obviously not very bright.

 

[Working Poor]

I just dropped in to see if the thinking has cleared up yet...

 

[Ender]

We tried that. We truly did. Ron was an idea who's time had come. Even among some Democrats. After endless rebuttals to the racist crap and everything else. Some at least gave a modicum of support. Ron WAS the peace and love movement. R3volution. And those Democrats couldn't be bothered to change party affiliation or get out of bed on primary day. Not a single $#@!ing one, after endless texts and emails, that I thought I had convinced.
But, they sure didn't give a $#@! that their choice Bernie got shafted and went and voted Biden. If you believe the narrative that Biden actually had more votes that is.

It wasn't the Democrats that screwed Ron out of the election- it was the Republicans who lied about his winnings, "forgot" his name in the caucuses, even when he won, and made him into the HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED candidate.

This is why it was so obvious to me that Trump was being pushed to the top with all his free millions of $$$$ "negative" publicity.

The Repubs & Dems at the top are all in the same "party"- the purpose is make everyone hate each other so the real control goes on behind the curtain.

 

[kahless]

It wasn't the Democrats that screwed Ron out of the election- it was the Republicans who lied about his winnings, "forgot" his name in the caucuses, even when he won, and made him into the HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED candidate.

This is why it was so obvious to me that Trump was being pushed to the top with all his free millions of $$$$ "negative" publicity.

The Repubs & Dems at the top are all in the same "party"- the purpose is make everyone hate each other so the real control goes on behind the curtain.

The only chance of change is to educate people on this fact. The people need to understand these elites control every avenue of information including all forms of entertainment. Little do people realize they are getting played every which way by them.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

LOL Dude you have no idea who I am. "You fit that description" If you make up classifications for people by having an abbreviated conversation on one specific topic as to how it effects another single topic, well I don't know why anyone would take a second to listen to anything you have to say. This coupled with how you ended your post with a strawman and a line that makes no sense, you're obviously not very bright.

Your constant fretting about me and AF's rhetoric has informed me well enough of who you are. Given human behavior does not operate in a vacuum, your characteristic impotence is likely to carry over into other areas.

The last sentence was meant to be a parting of the ways. I will quote myself sentence-by-sentence to show you how, since you struggle with reading comprehension:

Beyond that, I do not care at all about your concerns regarding the position taken by AF and myself.

This is me dismissing your thoughts as relevant to me in any way.

If you hope it does not take hold, then your arguments will win out.

This is me pointing out the issue is beyond your control. Note that this also means it is beyond my control.

If people decide that being easily destroyed by Machiavellians does not suit them, then they can act accordingly.

This is me highlighting the difference between my position and yours for people that are not you.

Why would I do that? Simple - there is no point in us having a conversation any further.

 

[TheTexan]

The only chance of change is to educate people on this fact. The people need to understand these elites control every avenue of information including all forms of entertainment. Little do people realize they are getting played every which way by them.

Big media is an evil leftist echo chamber.

It got that way, not by design, but because it was the most profitable. Shows with evil leftist lies had better ratings and stayed on the air. Shows that had a more balanced opinion were rating duds and dropped.

People like evil leftist lies, because well, they are evil leftists.

It's not some conspiracy from the top to turn everybody leftist. They already were leftist.

 

[sam1952]

It wasn't the Democrats that screwed Ron out of the election- it was the Republicans who lied about his winnings, "forgot" his name in the caucuses, even when he won, and made him into the HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED candidate.

This is why it was so obvious to me that Trump was being pushed to the top with all his free millions of $$$$ "negative" publicity.

The Repubs & Dems at the top are all in the same "party"- the purpose is make everyone hate each other so the real control goes on behind the curtain.

Ron Paul “The 13th floor” of the Republican Party.

 

[Ender]

Ron Paul “The 13th floor” of the Republican Party.

This is when I really began to like Jon Stewart!

 

[kahless]

Big media is an evil leftist echo chamber.

It got that way, not by design, but because it was the most profitable. Shows with evil leftist lies had better ratings and stayed on the air. Shows that had a more balanced opinion were rating duds and dropped.

People like evil leftist lies, because well, they are evil leftists.

It's not some conspiracy from the top to turn everybody leftist. They already were leftist.

I disagree. It is not a conspiracy that the elites are leftists and use their mediums to condition people into their beliefs. As an example they knew an outlet for the right would be profitable hence Fox News is used to play the fake opposition.

I know for a fact from dealing with these people on and off over the last 30 years that they are all on the same team. It is all one big sham.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

I disagree. It is not a conspiracy that the elites are leftists and use their mediums to condition people into their beliefs. As an example they knew an outlet for the right would be profitable hence Fox News is used to play the fake opposition.

I know for a fact from dealing with these people over the last 30 years and crossing them through no fault of my own that they are all on the same team. It is all one big sham.

I am not sure the elites have any consistent ideology beyond what actions best sustain their power. Supporting leftist causes has likely proven most effective in cementing their power. Ultimately, the elites are few in number. Much like hubris is often man's own undoing, the legion of radical leftists coming up through the system will likely throw them overboard once they are through with the elements constituting the right.

Having become reacquainted with academia in recent years, TheTexan is correct that at this time a lot of people are simply evil leftists. It has not come from the top down, it has come from the bottom up. The kids are receiving "educations" designed to achieve only one outcome - a permanent leftist incapable of critical thinking. The left is all they know, and the more purely something is of the left, then the more they like it.

It is an ideological version of demographics are destiny.

 

[kahless]

I am not sure the elites have any consistent ideology beyond what actions best sustain their power. Supporting leftist causes has likely proven most effective in cementing their power. Ultimately, the elites are few in number. Much like hubris is often man's own undoing, the legion of radical leftists coming up through the system will likely throw them overboard once they are through with the elements constituting the right.

Having become reacquainted with academia in recent years, TheTexan is correct that at this time a lot of people are simply evil leftists. It has not come from the top down, it has come from the bottom up. The kids are receiving "educations" designed to achieve only one outcome - a permanent leftist incapable of critical thinking. The left is all they know, and the more purely something is of the left, then the more they like it.

It is an ideological version of demographics are destiny.

Who funds and operates those colleges? Leftists, elites.

The people are leftists since they are largely empty vessels awaiting information to be fed to them from some where since they cannot think for themselves. Where do you think that information comes from? It is from everything they consume they formulate their belief system. Who produces what they consume, leftists and these leftists are far more leftist than anything that is presented publicly. I do not even know what to call it but they really do not give a damn about Human Rights and look at the masses like we are ants. A cruel and sadistic people, with public presentation otherwise as propaganda to keep their open secrets and to keep society from collapsing should the truth be known about how they rule.

The people that direct these beliefs and produce this information are not few in number. Maybe we just differ in the definition of the elites. I considering the elites or the club to be the billionaire CEO's, the news media that they own, entertainment-Hollywood and the two party duopoly. Despite any two party bickering, behind the scenes they are all friends looking out for one another in the club.

People really have no clue what is really going on in this country and what really goes on within the ruling classes club. It has not changed for them for a thousand years, it is an open secret with the people being kept in the dark about the truth since they control all information the people consume.

 

[TheTexan]

Who funds and operates those colleges? Leftists, elites.

The people are leftists since they are largely empty vessels awaiting information to be fed to them from some where since they cannot think for themselves. Where do you think that information comes from? It is from everything they consume they formulate their belief system. Who produces what they consume, leftists and these leftists are far more leftist than anything that is presented publicly. I do not even know what to call it but they really do not give a damn about Human Rights and look at the masses like we are ants. A cruel and sadistic people, with public presentation otherwise as propaganda to keep their open secrets and to keep society from collapsing should the truth be known about how they rule.

The people that direct these beliefs and produce this information are not few in number. Maybe we just differ in the definition of the elites. I considering the elites or the club to be the billionaire CEO's, the news media that they own, entertainment-Hollywood and the two party duopoly. Despite any two party bickering, behind the scenes they are all friends looking out for one another in the club.

People really have no clue what is really going on in this country and what really goes on within the ruling classes club. It has not changed for them for a thousand years, it is an open secret with the people being kept in the dark about the truth since they control all information the people consume.

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

I'm all for changing minds, but until we do, we have little choice but to consider them the enemy, as well as the elites.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

Who funds and operates those colleges? Leftists, elites.

I snipped most of your post and feel we generally agree. Anything I write after this is just attempting to refine the discussion.

The elites certainly fund the colleges, but the useful idiots that carry out leftism are the entrenched individuals that both understand and endorse it. I do not regard teachers and professors and the like as elites, but they are what makes the whole leftist engine work. They are the true believers that would push their ideas without funding, and they are the ones imbuing those empty vessels with leftism. After the passage of some time, those leftists end up spreading out into important positions in society, and every corner of it is corrupted by them.

The people that direct these beliefs and produce this information are not few in number. Maybe we just differ in the definition of the elites. I considering the elites or the club to be the billionaire CEO's, the news media that they own, entertainment-Hollywood and the two party duopoly. Despite any two party bickering, behind the scenes they are all friends looking out for one another in the club.

I agree those are the elites.

Perhaps the scope of the problem is why it appears we are talking past each other. I am coming from the perspective that there are the true believers who endorse leftism because they understand it and are in a position to most influence the future. The elites have certainly made people dance to their tune since the dawn of man's arrangement in hierarchies, but I believe they are mostly focused on what benefits them here and now with little regard for future considerations.

Simplifying the general theme: the present belongs to the elites, the future to the leftists. They are both problems, and there may be some overlap between the two groups, but I believe they are mostly distinct. I think some of this friction between the two groups can be seen to some extent between the newer and older members of the Democrat party.

 

[kahless]

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

I'm all for changing minds, but until we do, we have little choice but to consider them the enemy, as well as the elites.

I agree and realize even if people were made aware there are still many that will do anything for money including compromising their values or align themselves with the enemy to make more of it.

That is one thing I learned that really surprised me about several so called prominent Libertarian's we discuss here and some of the Libertarians that post here that I have run into outside this forum. NAP and the truth means nothing when the elites are handing out money.

 

[kahless]

I snipped most of your post and feel we generally agree. Anything I write after this is just attempting to refine the discussion.

The elites certainly fund the colleges, but the useful idiots that carry out leftism are the entrenched individuals that both understand and endorse it. I do not regard teachers and professors and the like as elites, but they are what makes the whole leftist engine work. They are the true believers that would push their ideas without funding, and they are the ones imbuing those empty vessels with leftism. After the passage of some time, those leftists end up spreading out into important positions in society, and every corner of it is corrupted by them.

I agree those are the elites.

Perhaps the scope of the problem is why it appears we are talking past each other. I am coming from the perspective that there are the true believers who endorse leftism because they understand it and are in a position to most influence the future. The elites have certainly made people dance to their tune since the dawn of man's arrangement in hierarchies, but I believe they are mostly focused on what benefits them here and now with little regard for future considerations.

Simplifying the general theme: the present belongs to the elites, the future to the leftists. They are both problems, and there may be some overlap between the two groups, but I believe they are mostly distinct. I think some of this friction between the two groups can be seen to some extent between the newer and older members of the Democrat party.

I hear what you are saying and agree to some extent with what you wrote here. The difference being I see it as the future will belong to the leftists simply because the elites funded it that way. Any threat to the elites position by true leftists would simply be rooted out in their favour. That is a very dangerous game they play that does not always work out so well for them in the end.

 

[belian78]

Your constant fretting about me and AF's rhetoric has informed me well enough of who you are. Given human behavior does not operate in a vacuum, your characteristic impotence is likely to carry over into other areas.

The last sentence was meant to be a parting of the ways. I will quote myself sentence-by-sentence to show you how, since you struggle with reading comprehension:



This is me dismissing your thoughts as relevant to me in any way.



This is me pointing out the issue is beyond your control. Note that this also means it is beyond my control.



This is me highlighting the difference between my position and yours for people that are not you.

Why would I do that? Simple - there is no point in us having a conversation any further.

You post like Swordy, you must be the one to take his place as shepherd of the narrative then. Now you use impotence. LOL It's so transparent.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

I hear what you are saying and agree to some extent with what you wrote here. The difference being I see it as the future will belong to the leftists simply because the elites funded it that way. Any threat to the elites position by true leftists would simply be rooted out in their favour. That is a very dangerous game they play that does not always work out so well for them in the end.

The funding of the elites certainly helped enable it to be that way, regardless of whether it is a more important factor than the true believers. The combination of the elite with the true believers is a potent combination, and it may not matter what percentage of the "blame" each are responsible for.

I think we are in agreement that the hubris of the elites may well result in their downfall... or not, should they deftly maintain control. I can envision both outcomes, with the deciding factor being whether or not the bread and circuses can be maintained.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

You post like Swordy, you must be the one to take his place as shepherd of the narrative then. Now you use impotence. LOL It's so transparent.

Apparently I am some kind of shepherd now. Cool.