For the record I resist racist and reject cultural supremacy

[Oyate]

I've already made my case very well.

Indeed brother (sister?) our opposition has made their own case in plain words. You and I and Kludge and jmdrake and others know exactly what's going on here.

It's a weakness in a certain sense, we're very tolerant of aberrant ideology. Especially now.

But we're not alone and I share a sense of shock that this crap went unopposed for so many days.

 

[specsaregood]

Heeeeeey, guess who else has a 2 year post gap!

Well they did just have a recruitment request just a couple days ago.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7684113&highlight=ronpaulforums#post7684113

You guys should join,......

For the record, racism is stupid.

 

[Kludge]

Well they did just have a recruitment request just a couple days ago.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7684113&highlight=ronpaulforums#post7684113http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7684113&highlight=ronpaulforums#post7684113

"You guys should join, I couldn't believe they banned red, that was ****ed up, why are any whites who say their proud to be white labeled racists? while blacks have thier own colleges, why not a white college it wouldn't be PC.., we need more people who can argue like red, their are too many in the upper ranks of RP forums that they are hurting our cause, they are trolls from nsa most likely"


lulz

Wanna talk about hurting causes???

 

[Dieseler]

At Long Last
A challenger was Found.
Tonight!
Death metal Rooster!
VS.
Ugly The Aberrant Death Metal Poodle!

Meet the Challenger!​

YouTube - Malfunction Dog Death Metal

It's Gonna Be a Hoedown at the Throw Down!​

 

[Oyate]

One time I had this buddy called Pete. He was an amazing musician.

One day Pete said his sister was coming to visit to we all make ready and were a bit surprised to find a very well spoken and polished black gal.


That was something. And it was something again when Pete said he had another sister coming over and she turned out to be Asian.

OK. We kind of knew the deal. Pete, his sisters, all them kids were adopted. Just seemed their adotive folks had a collector's attitude about the thing.

I can totally dig it. If I was a rich man, I'd set about populating my little planet with kids of many colours too. But I would want my Africans to be Africans and my Asians to be Asians as much as I want my Native Americans to be who they are, and they can just be Americans besides. I think it's part of Tutankweh'ongweh. The path of understanding.

I think these white supremacists, they have a part of understanding; they understand things in terms of personal responsibility and action RIGHT NOW. And we must admit, this takes a certain amount of bravery on their part, for not only do they voice unpopular opinions among us, but they run the risk of being branded "terrorists" or whatever for their extremist views as we do.

That is supposing even one of them is sincere, which we may doubt, but let us take them at their word.

My thesis remains as always, I will dialogue with someone who is standing upon principle, for if they are standing we can move them.

To the haters, I am a mud person, I have already been more influential than you and I dare you to come and get me. Double dare with cherries on top.

 

[Dieseler]

I take a nap now.
Making fights is tough work.

 

[Oyate]

OK everybody else is posting cool vids. Here's one by an old fave, Husker Du, and I love the lyrics;

We are starting a cat ranch and taking one hundred thousand cats!

Each cat will have twelve kittens a year,
The catskins will sell for thirty cents each,
One hundred men could skin five thousand cats a day,
We could be dealing a profit of over ten thousand dollars!

But what should we feed the cats?
We will start a rat ranch next door with a million rats
The rats will be twelve times faster than the cats
So we can have more rats to feed each day for each cat

But what should we feed the rats?
We will feed the ratsThe carcases of the cats

After they have been skinned

Now get this!

We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats
And get the catskins for nothing
We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats
And get the catskins for nothing
We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats
And get the catskins for nothing
We feed the rats the carcases of the cats

After they have been skinned

We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats
And get the catskins for nothing
Rats to the cats and the cats to the rats
And get the catskins for nothing.

YouTube - Husker Du/ How To Skin A Cat

 

[prophet]

Indeed brother (sister?) our opposition has made their own case in plain words. You and I and Kludge and jmdrake and others know exactly what's going on here.

It's a weakness in a certain sense, we're very tolerant of aberrant ideology. Especially now.

But we're not alone and I share a sense of shock that this crap went unopposed for so many days.

When your opposition has "made their own case in plain words," the civilized approach calls for you to oppose it in plain words. Thus far, I have seen no opposition to their position form you. You have confined yourself to personal attacks, leaving the stated case largely unopposed.

Sometimes it gets downright laughable. We have a thread title with "Racism and cultural supremacy" connected as if they are synonymous. This leads to the outrageous position that the culture of Saudi Arabia is equal to that of Israel. Ayn Rand did not believe that, and there are people on this ostensibly libertarian forum who would ban her for it. To claim the cultural superiority of Israel over Saudi Arabia can not be racist, since they are all Semites. It's not racism, it's just the fact of the matter.

If we should get a libertarian society with a government devoted to liberty, would the egalitarians on this forum say that anyone who says our libertarian culture is superior to that of Castro Cuba should be banished for "Racism?" Yep, they would!

 

[Bman]

When your opposition has "made their own case in plain words," the civilized approach calls for you to oppose it in plain words. Thus far, I have seen no opposition to their position form you. You have confined yourself to personal attacks, leaving the stated case largely unopposed.

Sometimes it gets downright laughable. We have a thread title with "Racism and cultural supremacy" connected as if they are synonymous. This leads to the outrageous position that the culture of Saudi Arabia is equal to that of Israel. Ayn Rand did not believe that, and there are people on this ostensibly libertarian forum who would ban her for it. To claim the cultural superiority of Israel over Saudi Arabia can not be racist, since they are all Semites. It's not racism, it's just the fact of the matter.

If we should get a libertarian society with a government devoted to liberty, would the egalitarians on this forum say that anyone who says our libertarian culture is superior to that of Castro Cuba should be banished for "Racism?" Yep, they would!

Paahhh-lease. You are trying to twist the situation and you know it.

for example this post. Where this current round probably started.

Haiti has been a backward third world shit-hole since the French were genocided 200 years ago. That's why the Mestizos walled off the island to keep the savages out. Since 1950? What are you talking about? yeah, the U.S. droped Haiti from their list of place to expand the empire in the 50s but they lived in walled fortresses away from the native genocidal savages until then.

The Haitians didn't just throw off French rule, they racially murdered every Frenchman on the Island. They couldn't just stop at independence. They had to kill and murder everyone who wasn't black. We never did that to the English here in America. Our forefathers weren't savages.

This post tries to make two points. That the people were all savages and they were all black. You don't see what the problem is? You think enough people are too stupid to read inbetween the lines and see what the real attempts are here?

You can call me a lot of things but the naive sucker who will let this type of behaviour go uncontested is not going to happen.

I'm of 100% german decent and I am proud of that fact. I'm also proud to be married to a woman with 75% Irish decent, and if it were 100% African I'd be proud of that also. It's one thing to be happy with who you are, it's another thing completely to think that makes you better than someone else. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Oyate]

When your opposition has "made their own case in plain words," the civilized approach calls for you to oppose it in plain words.

Oh wait, little Prophet Without Honour, let's first take some time for a proper greeting. In The Name Of The Most High, have you had a drink of mint tea yet, and have you tied up yor camel? Sit down and make yourself comfortable. I hope you have had a good sleep and are ready to persecute the faithful.

Thus far, I have seen no opposition to their position form you. You have confined yourself to personal attacks, leaving the stated case largely unopposed.

I think not, young one, my historical thesis remains unchallenged: Haiti, such as it is, had a brief period of "independence" duing the years of 1804 to 1825 and since then has been the subject of external interference.

Sometimes it gets downright laughable.

Laughter is good medicine my young friend. Take it when you can in good faith.

We have a thread title with "Racism and cultural supremacy" connected as if they are synonymous.

Gee, it seems we do. And don't forget Israel! What do you think of that? How does that poke you in the chest?

This leads to the outrageous position that the culture of Saudi Arabia is equal to that of Israel.

I would certainly say that is outrageous given as it has no significance to this conversation! It is simply outrageous! Who brought that up anyway?

Ayn Rand did not believe that, and there are people on this ostensibly libertarian forum who would ban her for it.

Further outrage to bring in Randian principles in the context of Saudi Arabia! This simply makes no sense! I totally agree with you. Screw these people who bring up random associations with emotive content to simply whip up emotions to get int he way of our sincere dialogue. We are on a plane here, we really understand one another. Let's make this moment last!

To claim the cultural superiority of Israel over Saudi Arabia can not be racist, since they are all Semites. It's not racism, it's just the fact of the matter.

You are correct again! Semitic peoples are not exclusive to Israel, all the people in that region are Semites, and therefore to be prejuduced against a Palestinian makes one an anti-Semite as much as it they hated Jews. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow that you are given such wisdom and understanding little brother! ALLAH HU AKBUR!

If we should get a libertarian society with a government devoted to liberty, would the egalitarians on this forum

There are other egalitarians on this forum? We must keep them secret brother. Like the shrines of the Coptic Christians, like the shrines that Jews keep in foreign lands by consent and support of our ancient ways, where the name of Y~h is still whispered, my brother, let us not speak of new ways but protect the old for they are our common tradition.

say that anyone who says our libertarian culture is superior to that of Castro Cuba should be banished for "Racism?" Yep, they would!

"

"Lift up your eyes to the hills from whence cometh your salvation."

You should study your Torah. You should know this.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Have a look at where his SN comes from

No, his screen name does not come from Stormfront. Its truly a perversion of what Tolkien wrote. Anyone who actually bothered to READ The Lord of the Rings knows Tolkien rejected the idea of nationalism/racism as he had seen it affect his life personally (he lost all of his close personal friends in World War I).

Dunedain = Men of the West in Sindarin.

And back to the topic at hand, I think the words of Thomas Jefferson are best:

Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none

Bolded for emphasis.

 

[fj45lvr]

The Haitians didn't just throw off French rule, they racially murdered every Frenchman on the Island. They couldn't just stop at independence. They had to kill and murder everyone who wasn't black. We never did that to the English here in America. Our forefathers weren't savages.

This post tries to make two points. That the people were all savages and they were all black. You don't see what the problem is? You think enough people are too stupid to read inbetween the lines and see what the real attempts are here?

I kind of think that maybe the facts of what happened are not that well known...I don't know anything about Haitian history and what happened with the French and whomever else was on the islands and potentially slaves (or not slaves)

But I could imagine myself, where a Haitian response to the French could significantly deviate from the Colonial American response to the British for various reasons:

• Americans weren't slaves that were forcibly taken from their own lands like animals and sold to do shit work for "the man"
• the hatians probably had HUGE amounts and more angst for "retaliation" for a long train of abuses to themselves and their families than the Americans who essentially were in competition with the distant crown for raking profits that they wanted for themselves (while abusing the Native Indians in exploitation of the vast and newly acquired lands being allotted)
• the Americans were from similar if not the same backgrounds on many different levels including political, educational etc. and were not wantonly killed or beaten and treated as "subhuman" to their "owners" or a whole "class" of other people
• Americans had powerful political allies funneling support as co-competitors against the british while the haitians likely had NO ONE...a brutal response may have been deemed necessary to be able to retain what they wanted (freedom) Can you imagine if they merely let the French just surrender and leave?? You can bet they would be back with force (a vastly superior force).

These are only a small few to show that while racism was a key component of the haitian fight in response to wrong doing, that there is much more than merely "race" to form the actions that happened. This is not even considering that there was probably differing opinions as to what actions should be taken (just as many colonists didn't agree with what happened in America and the methods).

I don't think it is unfair to generally recognize historical facts but I don't believe that proves anything as to what the reality is as to people believing they are superior to another individual based on some kind of racial comparison(which is not logical or valid).

 

[Oyate]

Hey Jew Bags!

You descendants of Ah-Bra-ham

and Itzak

And Yah-cobe,

Welcome!

You can't even believe how awesome this is brothers, I'm literally shitting. Did anyone inform you that we have the other part of the stone tablets? Yes, the very same ones given to Mosha on the mountain.

They are supposed to interlock with the stones we have. Hey kittens, there's only one set of stones. We have some and you have the others. We were told to wait for you. We're still waiting.

Hey Jew bags, ever wonder why we all have long noses and all laugh at the line "that's not a banana lady, that's my nose"?

It's genetic kittens. Jews always have the best Jewish jokes.

Holy Ones of The Book, you come from a common ancestry, this is a family fight, we are just native Americans. From our perspective you should learn to love one another and respect one another more.

Just saying. In the name of the One Most High.

 

[fj45lvr]

Hey Jew Bags!

You descendants of Ah-Bra-ham

and Itzak

And Yah-cobe,

Welcome!

You can't even believe how awesome this is brothers, I'm literally shitting. Did anyone inform you that we have the other part of the stone tablets? Yes, the very same ones given to Mosha on the mountain.

They are supposed to interlock with the stones we have. Hey kittens, there's only one set of stones. We have some and you have the others. We were told to wait for you. We're still waiting.

Hey Jew bags, ever wonder why we all have long noses and all laugh at the line "that's not a banana lady, that's my nose"?

It's genetic kittens. Jews always have the best Jewish jokes.

Holy Ones of The Book, you come from a common ancestry, this is a family fight, we are just native Americans. From our perspective you should learn to love one another and respect one another more.

Just saying. In the name of the One Most High.

Huh? I don't get it.

 

[fj45lvr]

double post

 

[Oyate]

I kind of keep a catalogue in my mind of

All the names of G~d I can find.

In the hebrew tradition, it is not a word to be said. In the Hebrew tradition, the closest we can get in print even is to spell the word Y~Weh.

The Holy One is so Holy, so Wakan as to be remote from us, so all us little ones can do is dare to breathe the name.

He is great and we are small.

What I love about Hasidim is they don't question G~d, they just obey and let the Holy One work out the details. Don't cut the hair above my ears? You got it Holy one. Don't do this or that? You got it Big Guy, no problems boss.

The fact is I can't directly relate to all of your laws but when you sing?

Ho Gods when you sing, I know, we all know what you are talking about. And in our way, we pray with you in the sun rise and in the mid-day and in the evening. brothers and sisters..

 

[jmdrake]

Is Ron Paul on your list?

I see nobody else has addressed you idiocy so I will. Ron Paul proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is NOT a white supremacist when he said this:

Paul: I would like to believe that if we had a freer society, it would take care of Blacks and whites and everybody equally because we're all individuals. To me, that is so important. But if we had equal justice under the law, I think it would be a big improvement. If we had probably a repeal of most of the federal laws on drugs and the unfairness on how Blacks are treated with these drugs laws, it would be a tremendous improvement.

And also, I think that if you're going to have prosperity, it serves everybody. And if this is done by emphasizing property rights and freedom of the individuals, making sure that the powerful special interests don't control Washington, that the military industrial complex doesn't suck away all the wealth of the country, and then we would have prosperity.

This is what we need and we need to share it. The free society is the only society that can provide goods and services and distribute them in the most fair manner. And that is the society that I would advocate and argue for and believe it's available to us.

.....
Paul: A system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges. Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs.


For instance, Blacks make up 14 percent of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63 percent of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change.

We don't have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn't working.

We have already spent over $400 billion since the early 1970s, and it is wasted money. Prohibition didn't work. Prohibition on drugs doesn't work. So we need to come to our senses.

And, absolutely, it's a disease. We don't treat alcoholics like this. This is a disease, and we should orient ourselves to this. That is one way you could have equal justice under the law.



I have never ever ever seen a single white supremacist admit that there are laws that disproportionately affect black people.

 

[T1000]

Will you prove this movement to be essentially a white race movement?

Do you hate white libertarians? I think you do.

 

[jmdrake]

Do you hate white libertarians? I think you do.

Wow. Someone with only 3 posts immediately accuses someone else of being racist. And you should be taken seriously because....? These sock puppets are getting tiresome.

 

[Endgame]

No, his screen name does not come from Stormfront. Its truly a perversion of what Tolkien wrote. Anyone who actually bothered to READ The Lord of the Rings knows Tolkien rejected the idea of nationalism/racism as he had seen it affect his life personally (he lost all of his close personal friends in World War I).

Dunedain = Men of the West in Sindarin.

And back to the topic at hand, I think the words of Thomas Jefferson are best:

Bolded for emphasis.

I know it didn't come straight from Tolkein, but searching for that white supremacist essay about Tolkein turns up several threads on Stormfront.