For the Love of God, Stop Saying Trump Was an Antiwar President

[donnay]

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION]

NOBODY wants millions of gallons of toxic paint and chemicals in their drinking water supply, or cross-contaminating agriculture with GMO's. RFK prosecutes corporate polluters and talks about "CAPTIVE AGENCIES". I agree with RFK, they SHOULD be held liable, and "jailed" if they persist - NOT the tax-payer.

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] do you think politicians should be allowed to take bribe money from corporatists/lobbyists (like [MENTION=68777]real[/MENTION]DonaldTrump did with Pfizer), and if so, why? [MENTION=7656]donnay[/MENTION] what about you?

 

[donnay]

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION]

NOBODY wants millions of gallons of toxic paint and chemicals in their drinking water supply, or cross-contaminating agriculture with GMO's. RFK prosecutes corporate polluters and talks about "CAPTIVE AGENCIES". I agree with RFK, they SHOULD be held liable, and "jailed" if they persist - NOT the tax-payer.

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] do you think politicians should be allowed to take bribe money from corporatists/lobbyists (like [MENTION=68777]real[/MENTION]DonaldTrump did with Pfizer), and if so, why? [MENTION=7656]donnay[/MENTION] what about you?

No I do not believe politicians should take money from any lobbyists/Corporations. I do not like the fact that you need millions to run a campaign to begin with.

 

[jmdrake]

Unproven Q-Anon fantasy. Why did Trump allow William Barr to cover up the murder of Jeffrey Epstein?

$#@! this "classified document" BS.

Trump is a true POS.

Documented reality.

 

[donnay]

Unproven Q-Anon fantasy. Why did Trump allow William Barr to cover up the murder of Jeffrey Epstein?



Documented reality.

You know for a fact that Trump allowed Barr to cover up Epstein's death? It appears to me that Barr did it on his own volition. It was unfortunate Trump had a lot of back-stabbers in his administration. Listen to Barr now.

 

[jmdrake]

You know for a fact that Trump allowed Barr to cover up Epstein's death? It appears to me that Barr did it on his own volition. It was unfortunate Trump had a lot of back-stabbers in his administration. Listen to Barr now.

William Barr worked for Donald Trump. Trump could have immediately fired Barr for covering up the Epstein murder. Trump could have talked about the Epstein murder himself. He didn't because Trump was part of the cover up! You have no actual evidence of Trump's so called "war on pedophiles." Trump didn't even kick Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago until the second time Epstein propositioned an under aged girl their. And that second time Epstein went after a daughter of a club member. The first time Epstein went after a Trump employee.

 

[PAF]

It was unfortunate Trump had a lot of back-stabbers in his administration.

"The buck stops here."

Boy, Trump must be that stupid. I never heard of so much passing the buck for this businessman who sat on executive boards, hired/fired people and read and signed contracts all of his adult life. Not even Bush Sr, Bush W and Ronald Reagan *combined* had so many apologist.

Either Trump is the Globalist that I know that he is according to his record, or he is that naive and incredibly stupid. Either way, he is NOT qualified to run this country.

 

[donnay]

"The buck stops here."

Boy, Trump must be that stupid. I never heard of so much passing the buck for this businessman who sat on executive boards, hired/fired people and read and signed contracts all of his adult life. Not even Bush Sr, Bush W and Ronald Reagan *combined* had so many apologist.

Either Trump is the Globalist that I know that he is according to his record, or he is that naive and incredibly stupid. Either way, he is NOT qualified to run this country.

Bush Sr., W, and Reagan were career politicians--they knew the Washington game. Trump was more naïve going in, he honestly thought the swamp wasn't as deep as it is. One good thing is he helped exposed it to the people.

 

[PAF]

Bush Sr., W, and Reagan were career politicians--they knew the Washington game. Trump was more naïve going in, he honestly thought the swamp wasn't as deep as it is. One good thing is he helped exposed it to the people.

Naive?

Trump was life-long friends with the Clintons and surrounded himself with career politicians. He didn't expose anything. All he did was divert tax-payer money to give it directly to Public/Private ventures [fascism]. You continue to apologize for him when he knew exactly what he was doing. That is why TPTB permitted him to be on the national ballot - because of his views AND his business expertise to "get things done".

- As president, Trump publicly backed RAISING the minimum age to purchase semi-automatic weapons to 21: https://redstate.com/arbogast/2018/0...fles-21-n85275




- Donald Trump Donated to Kamala Harris' Campaign Not once, But TWICE - https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-donated-to-kamala-harris-twice-as-private-citizen-2020-8?op=1

- Real estate magnate Donald Trump gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation while his daughter Ivanka Trump donated between $5,001 and $10,000, the Hill reported. Trump also donated to Hillary Clinton’s New York Senate campaign - http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/abc-news-star-gave-50000-to-clinton-foundation/#RVUuLIlJIQrKuGvt.99

- Trump has given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and fundraising committees going back to 1990, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics. He's handed out money to Democratic statewide candidates as well. In 2009, for instance, Trump cut a $25,000 check to former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe for his unsuccessful 2009 Virginia gubernatorial bid. But as Republicans and Tea Party activists nationwide were working to take back the House and Senate in 2010, Trump was also handing out checks to top Democratic incumbents: $4,800 to Reid, $2,000 to Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and more than $8,000 total to New York's two senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

- Trump gave money to a number of high-profile Democrats and liberal icons, including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. The biggest recipient of Trump's largesse? The scandal-plagued Rangel, who has taken $24,750 from Trump since the 1990 election cycle. - https://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/...-election-which-put-reid-and-pelosi-in-power/


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477303-Donald-Trump-On-The-Record

 

[acptulsa]

You know for a fact that Trump allowed Barr to cover up Epstein's death? It appears to me that Barr did it on his own volition. It was unfortunate Trump had a lot of back-stabbers in his administration. Listen to Barr now.

2016: Only Trump has the smarts, savvy and balls to take this bull by the horns and eliminate it.

2020+: Give the chuckle-headed sucker another chance, he might have learned a lesson from all the times he was fooled and cowed by those people.

On and on it goes...

 

[CCTelander]

2016: Only Trump has the smarts, savvy and balls to take this bull by the horns and eliminate it.

2020+: Give the chuckle-headed sucker another chance, he might have learned a lesson from all the times he was fooled and cowed by those people.

On and on it goes...

Personally, I think we need a special sub forum dedicated solely to kissing Trump’s ass. At least it would keep it somewhat contained.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Unproven Q-Anon fantasy. Why did Trump allow William Barr to cover up the murder of Jeffrey Epstein?



Documented reality.

He had them go after criminals who used guns in crimes.
Nice try but it won't work.
And he didn't "let" Barr over up Epstein, he had little to know control over the bureaurcacy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

But nowhere in your diatribe do you have a single quote where RFK Jr. endorsed lockdowns.

Are you lying? or did you just refuse to look at the evidence?
Is that why you removed all of it from your quote?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I see. More made up lies by you. You took an old video where RFK said he supported policies that encouraged (not mandated) all Americans to get vaccinated and applied that to him mandating the experimental "Operation Warp Speed" vaccine that Donald Trump is still proud of. That simply should RFK Jr. is reasonable and you're not. There are some vaccines, that are actually vaccines and not experimental gene thearpy like Trump's Opearation Warp Speed Poison, that are good to take. The Smallpox vaccine for example has a 95% success rate in preventing sommeone from catching smallpox (and thus transmitting). Because of that, ring vaccination, where only those who are known to have been in contact with an infected person are vaccinated, is an effective strategy for smallpox erradication. Pfizzer was forced that its vaccine wasn't even tested for that. Nigeria was able to stop a smalllpox outbreak by using ring vaccination.

Now as to RFK Jr. castigating those who "denied the dire warnings of the pandemic" that would include Dr. Fauci and Donald Trump. In February of 2020, Dr. Fauci was publicly saying COVID would be no worse than the flu (and yet less than a month later Fauci was saying COVID would be 10 times worse than the flu). Trump was saying the same thing. Later Trump told Bob Woodward that he "played down" the pandemic because he didn't want people to "panic." But nowhere in your diatribe do you have a single quote where RFK Jr. endorsed lockdowns. Some countries stopped the virus in its tracks without locking down. Taiwan, South Korea and Japan for example. Intelligence from Taiwan was shared with the Trump administration prior to known outbreaks in the U.S. regarding what was going on in China. But Dr. Fauci downplayed everything publicly because he knew his gain of function research, something Obama put the brakes on but was accelerated again under Trump, was the likely culprit. So what could have been done besides lockdowns? Well sufficient testing for one. Using a pool testing strategy employed by some African countries, every person coming back from overseas could have been tested. The good thing about pool testing is that it alsoo protects privacy. Since all of the samples are put in the same pool, it can't be used for Chinese DNA collection. In summer of 2020 when I was still Uber driving and coming home every weekend to check on my elderly parents I desparately wanted a COVID test and couldn't get one. The lack of test kits for a virus that they had advance warning was coming to the U.S. is a failure on the part of Fauci/Trump. A test has been made available in January 2020, but the Fauci/Trump administration declined to use it. This epic failure is so bad that the article needs to be looked at:

On Saturday Jan. 11 — a month and a half before the first Covid-19 case not linked to travel was diagnosed in the United States — Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.

Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries.


The United States was not among them.


Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question and the key to the Trump administration’s failure to provide enough tests to identify the coronavirus infections before they could be passed on, according to POLITICO interviews with dozens of viral-disease experts, former officials and some officials within the administration’s health agencies.

The slowness of the testing regimen — which, administration officials acknowledged this week, is still not producing enough tests to meet the national demand — was the first, and most sweeping, of many failures. So far there have been confirmed cases in at least 23 states, and at least 15 deaths, while the stock market plunged and an otherwise healthy economy braced for a major disruption.

But neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Vice President Mike Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test and instead begin a protracted process of producing an American test, one that got delayed by manufacturing problems, possible lab contamination and logistical delays.

“Please provide an explanation for why the Covid-19 diagnostic test approved by the World Health Organization was not used,” Sen. Patty Murray, the ranking Democrat on the Senate health committee, who represents the hard-hit state of Washington, asked in a 3½-page letter on the testing fiasco to Pence, Health Secretary Alex Azar, CDC director Robert Redfield, and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn.

So far, none has been provided.
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So yeah. Fauci/Trump screwed up. I keep saying "Fauci/Trump" because, after lying to Jake Tapper and saying there was "push back" to taking more active measures, Fauci admitted that Trump did everything Fauci asked him to do. That means that if Fauci had said "Let's use the Berlin test kits", Trump would have used the Berlin test kits. When Fauci said "Let's lock down for 14 days to stop the spread", Trump agreed the lockdown would be official U.S. policy. When Fauci said "extend the lockdown", Trump agreed. The first sign Trump gave of any deviation from Fauci was when he declared prayer to be essential and that allowed churches to reopen. Fauci had already endorsed liquor stores being open as well as hooking up with strangers on Tinder as long as your "willing to take that risk" (and use a condom and a face diaper?). This is the same person that warned against having people who weren't "immediate family members" over for Thanksgiving. Anyway, beyond that small deviation, Trump was lock step with Fauci.

Finally you're trying to use past endorsements by RFK Jr. of Hillary Clinton and others who supported vaccine mandates as proof Fauci supported vaccine mandates? Have you forgotten that Trump endorsed Hillary and donated to her?



Anyway, THAT is how you actually give evidence for a position. Not the bullshyt shotgun approach of posting a bunch of misleading facts that don't actually support your claim. Recap, old clips of RFK Jr. saying he supported vaccines in general (not Trump's mRNA Operation Warp Speed garbage), and policies that encourage as opposed to mandate Americans take proven (not experimental) vaccines do not show RFK Jr. supported OWS vaccine mandates. And RFK Jr rightfully criticizing Fauci/Trump downplaying the virus when they knew it was worse than what they were saying and they did not take reasonable steps to stop the spread like using already available test kits from Berlin does not mean an endorsement of Fauci/Trump's ineffective lockdown strategy. I don't expect you to agree. You are the person who makes excuses from Trump on such inexecusible acts as endorsing red flag laws and doing bumpfire stock bans so I don't expect you to be reasonable on Trump horrible legacy of Operation Warp Speed, draconian lockdowns, downplaying a virus to prevent a "panic", and not using aleady available test kits. But the exercise is useful for when I have further discussions with reasonable people.

I see you take Fauci's word as truth when it sounds bad for Trump, why would you do that?
And if you didn't notice the endorsement dates during the lockdowns and mandates you again show you didn't want to see the evidence. (or you are just lying)

I encourage every one else to go back and expand the evidence and see for themselves to make up for your lack of either reading comprehension or honesty.

 

[Swordsmyth]

William Barr worked for Donald Trump. Trump could have immediately fired Barr for covering up the Epstein murder. Trump could have talked about the Epstein murder himself. He didn't because Trump was part of the cover up! You have no actual evidence of Trump's so called "war on pedophiles." Trump didn't even kick Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago until the second time Epstein propositioned an under aged girl their. And that second time Epstein went after a daughter of a club member. The first time Epstein went after a Trump employee.

Trump has been the subject of false accusations in search of hush money, it's no wonder he might grant a guest the benefit of the doubt the first time.
He turned Epstein into the FBI and he cooperated with the lawyers for the victims when nobody else would.
He had Epstein arrested when there was absolutely no benefit to doing so for anyone who was part of the gang.
Trump couldn't just fire Barr because he ouldn't just replace him with someone better, the Senate had to approve and appointments and they would only allow swamp creatures.
Barr was the best he could do at the time.
He was also under constant attack from the House, the bureaucracy, and the media and they would have found some way to call firing Barr an impeachable offense.

 

[jmdrake]

I see you take Fauci's word as truth when it sounds bad for Trump, why would you do that?

What? You are beyond stupid! TRUMP TOLD FAUCI TO COME OUT AND SAY THAT TRUMP FOLLOWED FAUCI'S ADVICE BECAUSE TRUMP THOUGHT THAT MADE HIM LOOK GOOD! Again, what actually happened is Fauci tried to throww Trump under the bus by agreeing with Jake Tapper that lives could have been saved if they had taken more agressive steps early on, but there was "push back." Trump "perp walked" Fauci up to the microphone to take that back because, at that time, the overwhelming majority oof the country supported lockdowns. So Fauci said what he said to make Trump look GOOD

But the biggest problem you have is TRUMP'S OWN WORDS TO BOB WOODWARD MAKE TRUMP LOOK DOWNRIGHT EVIL! It's on audio recorrding. You cn't get arround that shyt so you won't even address it because you know you can't liar!

And if you didn't notice the endorsement dates during the lockdowns and mandates you again show you didn't want to see the evidence. (or you are just lying)

There was no excuse to endorse Hillary Clinton ever. None. An endorsement of a candidate, especially a relative, doesn't mean you endorse everythng that candidate stands for. If it does, then you're stuck with Trump endorsing Shillary for president and endorsing gun control (which Trump has actually endosre beforre and during president including red flag laws and assault weapons bans), abortion to the 9th month, Hillarycare, the 1993 Clinton crime bill, and every awful thing that goes with Hillary Clinton.

I encourage every one else to go back and expand the evidence and see for themselves to make up for your lack of either reading comprehension or honesty.

You are a lying sack of shyt and you know it. You have no evidence to support your big lie that somehow Trump WHO STILL BRAGS ABOUT OPERATION WARP SPEED is not the WORST candidate on the jab period! And one more time, was Trump lying to Bob Woodward? Because that makes him look hella bad.

 

[jmdrake]

Trump has been the subject of false accusations in search of hush money, it's no wonder he might grant a guest the benefit of the doubt the first time.
He turned Epstein into the FBI and he cooperated with the lawyers for the victims when nobody else would.

Nobody else would cooperate? Epstein was already indicted.

He had Epstein arrested when there was absolutely no benefit to doing so for anyone who was part of the gang.

Epstein was already indicted when he was thrown out of the club. No evidence of a subsequent arrest.

Trump couldn't just fire Barr because he ouldn't just replace him with someone better, the Senate had to approve and appointments and they would only allow swamp creatures.

There was nobody worse than William Barr when Trump nominated him. Whitney Webb exposed the fact that William Barr was a CIA clean up man and tied to Jeffry Epstein himself. And she based this off of publicly available information.

Barr was the best he could do at the time.

Nope. See above.

He was also under constant attack from the House, the bureaucracy, and the media and they would have found some way to call firing Barr an impeachable offense.

Excuse, after excuse, after excuse. [MENTION=7656]donnay[/MENTION] was claiming Trump was engaged in some sort of "war on pedophiles." There's zero evidence of that. As a part of the "war on pedophiles" Trump nominates and AG that's a known CIA clean up man and connected to the most infamous pedopphile of them all? And Trump doesn't even publicly talk about how suspicious Epstein's suicide was? Mmmmm.....okay..

 

[jmdrake]

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION]





The only 2024 candidate announced so far that is WORSE that Trump on the COVID-19 vaccine is Joe Biden.

 

[jmdrake]

You know for a fact that Trump allowed Barr to cover up Epstein's death? It appears to me that Barr did it on his own volition. It was unfortunate Trump had a lot of back-stabbers in his administration. Listen to Barr now.

I know for a fact, and you do too you just don't want to admit it, that Trump was known for his habit of going to Twitter and taking his case directly to the American people when he wanted to get a message out. He could have done that to say he didn't agree with Barr's coverup of Epsein's "suicide" just like he went on Twitter to dispute William Barr's assessment of the 2020 eleection as being "secure."

See: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-demands-barr-arrest-foes-427389

So why no "Twitter blitz" in 2019? You know the answer.