? for the Christians who believe in end times, antichrist, etc.

[RonPaulFever]

Biblically speaking, what role would a Ron Paul play in the end times scenario?

 

[kushaze]

I guess it depends on how they interpret their apocalyptic beliefs.

 

[Perry]

Biblically speaking, what role would a Ron Paul play in the end times scenario?

If anything he would, at least for a time, prolong the U.S. from being one of the nations to stand against Israel in the last days. With the roadmap and it's revived efforts as of late, this is the route we are currently on.
Remember however that "ALL NATIONS" will eventually stand against Israel in the last days.

 

[Alex Libman]

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=13718.0

[Ron Paul] was conceived exactly one billion minutes after the resurrection of Christ, and born 666 weeks (inclusively) before the prophecy of the Jews returning to Israel was fulfilled! The pieces have been slowly moving into place since then, and now he's the only person who could withdraw America's military support for Israel, thus triggering Israel's prophesied collapse and beginning of the End Times!

This is how you win South Carolina, people!

 

[Perry]

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=13718.0



This is how you win South Carolina, people!

Disgusting.

 

[shasshas]

he would be like noah leadin ghis flock to a new ark

Ron Paul would build a spacecraft to ensure humanity's survival

all the other candidates would just bicker and try to save themselves

 

[idiom]

according to any non-american end times theologian, America doesn't feature in Armageddon. Either everybody is 'raptured' first (good) or everybody is dead or something due to a prior event removing the US from the World stage.

A lot of American theologians take this view as well. However those making movies need America to be involved, and others confuse America with Iarael due to super-patriotism. Same way they confuse the Flag with God.

 

[wildflower]

Interesting question.

I don't know, but he could be someone who at least for a time stops or delays the agenda of the globalists.

But as a christian, I believe what the bible says... it's coming eventually, and it's going to be really difficult, especially for believers. But as I just mentioned on another thread, there is hope. That is the one thing that gives me peace about the whole scenario. There is a power greater than the temporary powers of this world. And the true power WILL win, ultimately.

 

[B9vot3r]

this seems a bit silly.

Some of you are saying that RP will delay the inevitable, which would insinuate that human actions do have consequences that may subtly alter either the timing or nature of the biblical end times.

Yet you also say that it is irrefutable, in your belief, that it is bound to happen (and reading the book of revelations one gets the feeling that not only is man oblivious to the hour, but nor shall he be able to alter the hour), which then contradicts the notion that any human action can escape this course of the apocalypse and the second coming.

so we have this paradox that RP might in some way alter this prophecy, which coincidentally by definition of a prophecy, requires a precise line of events falling into place which concludes to some cataclysmic event or struggle for all of mandkind/civilization/whatever.

So if you do believe that the revelation is an accurate and irrefutable account of what is to come in the unforeseen future at an undetermined time, then there is little point of speculation other than that of intrigue

 

[eloquensanity]

according to any non-american end times theologian, America doesn't feature in Armageddon. Either everybody is 'raptured' first (good) or everybody is dead or something due to a prior event removing the US from the World stage.

A lot of American theologians take this view as well. However those making movies need America to be involved, and others confuse America with Iarael due to super-patriotism. Same way they confuse the Flag with God.

America is not mentioned in revelation unless its mystery Babylon. It could be just that its not a major player in Armageddon as other countries are named.

Maybe the economy will collapse and we will no longer be a super power.
Maybe Ron Paul will withdraw us from all the global stuff. I think a lot of prophecy is talking about the deception that comes upon the whole world except for a few and when it talks about death it is meaning spiritual death not so much death of the flesh.

Who knows for sure till it happens. All we know for sure is that at the end of the book we (God's people who stand against the antichrist one world government) win so we do have hope.

 

[SovereignMN]

The question and responses assume that we are living in the end times. I know most Christians seem to think that way. I'm a bit more skeptical though. Jesus said that even HE didn't know the Father's schedule. Who am I to think that I have any more insight than Jesus.

I'm content to let God deal with the end times.

 

[GeorgiaRPFan]

Christians have been living in the end times since the resurrection of Christ. But I guess by end times you're referring to the "end of the world as we know it" , I think Ron Paul would do a good job of keeping America from becoming a part of the emerging world government led by the antichrist by keeping us out of the NAU. Perhaps Americans would not be subject to the mark of the beast, whatever it is - the "mark" that someday all will need to have to buy or sell - by getting rid of the Fed, and doing away with our economic slavery aka income tax.

 

[eloquensanity]

Jesus said no one knows the hour only the father but that we should know the season. He then told us to learn the parable of the fig tree.

When the fig tree is planted in Jerusalem i.e the Jews return to Jerusalem it states This generation will not pass until all is fulfilled

Jesus was answering the question that the disciples asked about how we will know the end times. He went down the list of wars rumours of wars, pestilences, earthquakes etc He then said to learn the parable

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Read the whole of Matthew 24

Edited to add, For none believers please note that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 There is lots of info on this even you tubes, maybe doesn't mean a thing but it is interesting that all these things are coming together at the same time.

 

[allyinoh]

I have mixed feelings on this whole thing.

Sometimes it feels like the globalist elites are purposefully trying to make things happen to fall into the whole end times thing. I'm not sure.

But I don't really know how Ron Paul would fit into it. I haven't really even given it much thought.

 

[Wendi]

Okay here's my humble take on it. God created us. He had a plan at that very moment. But Adam and Eve mucked it all up with that stupid apple. His plan didn't change... it just got delayed. And it took a few thousand years before we could even begin to have the direct communication with Him that He'd created us to have, all because of that one little sin. So then Jesus comes. And what does he say? Only the father knows the day and hour of the end. But Jesus was God, how does that figure, right? Because He knows the plan... but the timing is largely dependent on the choices we make through free will. Yeah, that He gave us. Ya know? So how does Ron Paul figure? Simple - he makes the right choice, when everyone else is making the wrong choice. So instead of eating the apple and making a mess we do what's right for a change.

Edited to clarify a couple of points:

Regardless of whether or not Ron Paul wins, I personally believe that it is very likely we are close to the "end times." The choices we make, individually and as a nation, will not change the inevitable plan. It can merely make things better - or worse - for us in the meantime.

Second Edit:

I should have known better than try to express what I feel about this in one little paragraph lol.

 

[shasshas]

oh COME ON!!! my spacecraft comment is stil the best

 

[Dr.3D]

He Comes as a Thief to Those Who do not Watch

He Comes as a Thief to Those Who do not Watch


Two thousand six hundred eleven years ago, God gave the prophet Daniel a vision of what is going to happen in the end times. After years of wondering what the vision meant, many people finally decided it was never going to be revealed to them so they just gave up on knowing what it said. Of course nobody understood what the vision Daniel had of the end times was about! It says right in the book how it was to be sealed up till the end times. So naturally we must think, in the end times, the book will become unsealed. So many Churches have just thrown the book of Daniel aside figuring it won’t matter because when it happens it will happen and they don’t need to know anything about when it is happening because they are “saved” and that is all there is to it. This is the wrong mindset! We as Christians should always be aware of what is being revealed from the Scriptures on a daily basis. We should try to understand what each and every verse of each and every chapter and book of the Bible means so we will know what God is doing and be fully aware of where we are in the timeline laid out in Bible prophecies. The Bible is the only complete history book available to mankind.

Some argue and say, Jesus said no one is to know the time of the end but I’m here to tell you that’s silly talk and I’m tired of hearing it. Yes, no one was to know when the time of the end is at the time Jesus said that some 2,000 years ago but He also said we would know when it is coming as we approach that time. In Matthew 24:33 He says, “So you, likewise, when you see all these things, shall know that it is near, at the doors.” We should be vigilant and keep our spiritual eyes and ears open to what is happening around us so we will not be caught unaware. Remember the parable of the ten virgins of Matthew 25:1-13. In the last verse of that parable Jesus said, “Therefore watch, for you do not know either the day or the hour in which the Son of Man comes.” I would like to point out the word watch in that verse.
Jesus admonishes us to keep our eyes open and be ready and aware for when that hour comes. In Revelation 3:3 Jesus tells the Church in Sardis, “Remember then how you have received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.” This should imply that if we do watch, we will not be caught unaware and thus He will not come upon us as a thief. Let’s not be like the Church in Sardis who are all fat and happy in thinking they know everything and are comfortable with what they think they know, but instead like the Church in Philadelphia where He says to them in Revelation 3:10 “Because you have kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation which will come upon all the habitable world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.”

As we approach the time of the end, we should be aware of it and know what is happening so we will not be fooled when it is upon us. In Matthew 24:34 Jesus says “Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled.” Jesus was not talking about the generation He was in but instead, He was talking about the generation of the end times. The last generation before He comes back to take His Bride is the generation He was talking about. As we see what is happening around us, we should notice the things He told us to watch for and then we will know how close we are to the time He is going to come back. As we see those things, we will know we are in the final generation when He is going to return.

Looking back at the parable of the Fig tree in Matthew 24:32, Jesus says “Now learn a parable of the Fig tree. When its branch is still tender and puts out leaves, you know that summer is near.” we should ponder what it means. Now because of a good thing this Church does by proving all things by the scriptures, I must ask you to bear with me for a moment and use your imagination. Consider the Fig tree of Matthew 21:19. Jesus cursed it few days before He was crucified. Remember the words He said to the tree (“Let no fruit grow on you forever.”) when He found it did not have any fruit but only leaves. Typically, a Fig tree will not have any leaves or fruit when it is out of season. Fig trees usually put out buds and begin to fruit before they get leaves. Think about the tree as being the country of Israel and the curse it was about to suffer because of its lack of fruit. Now let’s look at another Fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. Notice how this Fig tree only produced leaves but never any fruit. Consider how the owner of the vineyard came to it for 3 years and found no fruit. Think of the length of the ministry of Jesus and it being three and one half seasons for the fruit tree to bear fruit. But of course it would have to be in the fourth season the tree would have to bear fruit or the owner of the vineyard will cut it down.

Because neither the leafy Fig tree of Matthew 21:19 nor the leafy Fig tree of Luke 13:6 bore any fruit, they became useless. Think of the curse Jesus placed on the Fig tree of Matthew 21:19 as He said, “let no fruit grow on you forever”. Now if those trees may be thought of as the country of Israel we know from the curse, one of them will never bear fruit. Considering this, what will we note when the branch of the Fig tree of Matthew 24:32 is tender and begins to put out leaves? Of course, it does not bear any fruit! Now remember when the country of Israel became a tender branch and began to put out leaves back in 1948. To point out further references to the fruit of the Fig tree let’s take two more looks at the scriptures in Jeremiah 24:1-10 and Song of Solomon 2:11-13. In the first reference, Jeremiah 24:1-10 we read about good figs and bad figs. These it is easy to see, represent the fruit of the country of Israel. In the second reference, Song of Solomon 2:11-13 we read of the winter being over and spring is upon us and the Fig tree puts forth her green figs. Use your imaginations and consider what these verses are saying and then the connection between the country of Israel becoming a tender branch and the coming of the Bridegroom.

Jesus wants us to be watchful and expectant of the time He will return to take His Bride. Let’s get our wedding dresses spotless and have extra oil for our lamps and trim the wicks so we will not be in the dark when the Bridegroom arrives.

 

[Captain Shays]

this seems a bit silly.

Some of you are saying that RP will delay the inevitable, which would insinuate that human actions do have consequences that may subtly alter either the timing or nature of the biblical end times.

Yet you also say that it is irrefutable, in your belief, that it is bound to happen (and reading the book of revelations one gets the feeling that not only is man oblivious to the hour, but nor shall he be able to alter the hour), which then contradicts the notion that any human action can escape this course of the apocalypse and the second coming.

so we have this paradox that RP might in some way alter this prophecy, which coincidentally by definition of a prophecy, requires a precise line of events falling into place which concludes to some cataclysmic event or struggle for all of mandkind/civilization/whatever.

So if you do believe that the revelation is an accurate and irrefutable account of what is to come in the unforeseen future at an undetermined time, then there is little point of speculation other than that of intrigue

Its not a matter of whether we can alter the time table of God's plans. Its a matter of our role in this world as Christians.

The bible uses some metaphors to show us that one of our roles is to be a light to the world. This for two reasons. One to show the light of Christ to the world. The other to expose deeds that are done in secret. In other words to bring about an understanding of the nature of sin and its consequences so that we can deal with it head on.

Another role mentioned is that we are to be like salt. Salt was used to preserve foods prior to refrigeration. It holds back corruption and decay. We do this simply by our presense in this world, and by actively opposeing evil.

The formation of a one world government and a global cashless financial system is evil. We're told that this world system is not ruled by God, but by Satan and his angels until the time of the fullness of the gentiles is complete and then Jesus will return to wage war against Satan and take His throne in Jerusalem and preside over the entire world.

Back in the ancient Babylonion days they tried to form a one world government and built a tower that they thought could reach into the heavens and they would be like God. But God destroyed it and seperated the people and confused their language.

When Jesus started His ministry, he went out into the desert and fasted for fourty days. When He got hungry and became weakened, Satan started to tempt Him. At one point, Satan took Jesus to the top of a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the earth and offered Jesus dominion over all the kingdoms if Jesus would worship Satan instead of God.
Of course Jesus refused Satan and said that we should worship God with all our hearts, our body and our understanding.
The part that many modern day Christians seem to forget, is that how was Satan able to offer the kingdoms to Jesus and why didn't Jesus, right then and there simply take control of the kingdoms away from Satan? It means that the kingdoms are still under Satan's control until now and until Jesus returns to take it all away from Satan.

Prior to the return of Jesus there are a whole host of prophesies that must be fullfilled first. One of them was the return of Jews to the state of Israel after the predicted displacement of them for a period of time. This happened in 1948 and its also predicted by Jesus Himself that the generation that is alive when that happens will not be all dead and gone until the return of Jesus.

Other things will also happen. Crime will be on the increase. People's love will grow cold toward one another. Homosexual practice and the acceptance of it will increase. We will see a dramatic increase in the fequency and magnitude of earthquakes, violent storms, famines, wars and rumors of wars.

There will also be the formation of a one world government and a cashless financial system relative to the entire world where everyone will be required to recieve a mark either on their right hand or on their forehead in order to buy or sell anything. Many of us think the advent of the RFID chip could lead to this mark. Those who recieve this mark will be condemned but those who refuse it will be saved or raptured when Jesus comes back because the mark is equal to worship of Satan or his anti-christ who heads the global government.

If anyone has ever read the first sectretary general of the UN (secretary Muller)'s innaugeral address to the UN in 1948, he makes no secret about it. The United Nations was set up specifically to some day become a one world government and the world bank was set up specificaly to become the central bank fo the world.

Of course I don't expect non believers to buy into any of this, but for us Christians, its a very strong reason to vote for Ron Paul. He has authored bills that would get us out of the UN, the world bank, and all the incremental steps toward world government like the IMF, WTO, NAFTA, SPP, and CAFTA.

Can we stop God's plans? No, But are they God's plans or does God just use these events to bring about His final will? I say the latter.

According to the bible that most Christians believe in, the plan to form a one world government is not God's plan but Satan's. So that if a Christian votes for those who are trying to bring it about we are either directly or indirectly taking part in a Satanic plan. When the one world governent finally does form, another of the prophesies is that Christians will be severely persecuted the world over. We will be jailed, tortured, and killed for our faith in Jesus Christ just like the Christians in Rome were but even worse.

I believe this one world government won't happen in a vaccum but will come about in the context of our modern reality. There will be good reasons for the world to get together to solve the problems, whether they are environmental, (global warming) energy shortages, water shortages or things caused by weather changes i.e storms earthquakes ect. We will not see it as unusual and may even vote for those who advocate for it.

This is why as a Christian I can't vote for Huckabee and Ron Paul is the only candidate in my opinion for a Christian to vote for. He opposes the formation of a one world government and the erosion of the liberties that Jesus Christ has authored. Yeah, I didn't mention that but christians believe that we have liberty in Christ and that many of the founding fathers believed that as well and drafted the Constitution with that in mind to some extent. So to uphold the Constitution is not only a Christian thing to do by giving your oath to God and upholding it, but it follows our bible as well.

 

[1913_to_2008]

Notice how nobody comes here and bullies you around for discussing this. If it were 911 truth talk you'd have 50 trolls clogging you thread.

If end times are real . Ron Paul would play the part of running this country while it gets destroyed. From what I've found from my research is that a leader will emerge out of the EU then, America will be wiped out.

 

[Captain Shays]

He Comes as a Thief to Those Who do not Watch


Two thousand six hundred eleven years ago, God gave the prophet Daniel a vision of what is going to happen in the end times. After years of wondering what the vision meant, many people finally decided it was never going to be revealed to them so they just gave up on knowing what it said. Of course nobody understood what the vision Daniel had of the end times was about! It says right in the book how it was to be sealed up till the end times. So naturally we must think, in the end times, the book will become unsealed. So many Churches have just thrown the book of Daniel aside figuring it won’t matter because when it happens it will happen and they don’t need to know anything about when it is happening because they are “saved” and that is all there is to it. This is the wrong mindset! We as Christians should always be aware of what is being revealed from the Scriptures on a daily basis. We should try to understand what each and every verse of each and every chapter and book of the Bible means so we will know what God is doing and be fully aware of where we are in the timeline laid out in Bible prophecies. The Bible is the only complete history book available to mankind.

Some argue and say, Jesus said no one is to know the time of the end but I’m here to tell you that’s silly talk and I’m tired of hearing it. Yes, no one was to know when the time of the end is at the time Jesus said that some 2,000 years ago but He also said we would know when it is coming as we approach that time. In Matthew 24:33 He says, “So you, likewise, when you see all these things, shall know that it is near, at the doors.” We should be vigilant and keep our spiritual eyes and ears open to what is happening around us so we will not be caught unaware. Remember the parable of the ten virgins of Matthew 25:1-13. In the last verse of that parable Jesus said, “Therefore watch, for you do not know either the day or the hour in which the Son of Man comes.” I would like to point out the word watch in that verse.
Jesus admonishes us to keep our eyes open and be ready and aware for when that hour comes. In Revelation 3:3 Jesus tells the Church in Sardis, “Remember then how you have received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.” This should imply that if we do watch, we will not be caught unaware and thus He will not come upon us as a thief. Let’s not be like the Church in Sardis who are all fat and happy in thinking they know everything and are comfortable with what they think they know, but instead like the Church in Philadelphia where He says to them in Revelation 3:10 “Because you have kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation which will come upon all the habitable world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.”

As we approach the time of the end, we should be aware of it and know what is happening so we will not be fooled when it is upon us. In Matthew 24:34 Jesus says “Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled.” Jesus was not talking about the generation He was in but instead, He was talking about the generation of the end times. The last generation before He comes back to take His Bride is the generation He was talking about. As we see what is happening around us, we should notice the things He told us to watch for and then we will know how close we are to the time He is going to come back. As we see those things, we will know we are in the final generation when He is going to return.

Looking back at the parable of the Fig tree in Matthew 24:32, Jesus says “Now learn a parable of the Fig tree. When its branch is still tender and puts out leaves, you know that summer is near.” we should ponder what it means. Now because of a good thing this Church does by proving all things by the scriptures, I must ask you to bear with me for a moment and use your imagination. Consider the Fig tree of Matthew 21:19. Jesus cursed it few days before He was crucified. Remember the words He said to the tree (“Let no fruit grow on you forever.”) when He found it did not have any fruit but only leaves. Typically, a Fig tree will not have any leaves or fruit when it is out of season. Fig trees usually put out buds and begin to fruit before they get leaves. Think about the tree as being the country of Israel and the curse it was about to suffer because of its lack of fruit. Now let’s look at another Fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. Notice how this Fig tree only produced leaves but never any fruit. Consider how the owner of the vineyard came to it for 3 years and found no fruit. Think of the length of the ministry of Jesus and it being three and one half seasons for the fruit tree to bear fruit. But of course it would have to be in the fourth season the tree would have to bear fruit or the owner of the vineyard will cut it down.

Because neither the leafy Fig tree of Matthew 21:19 nor the leafy Fig tree of Luke 13:6 bore any fruit, they became useless. Think of the curse Jesus placed on the Fig tree of Matthew 21:19 as He said, “let no fruit grow on you forever”. Now if those trees may be thought of as the country of Israel we know from the curse, one of them will never bear fruit. Considering this, what will we note when the branch of the Fig tree of Matthew 24:32 is tender and begins to put out leaves? Of course, it does not bear any fruit! Now remember when the country of Israel became a tender branch and began to put out leaves back in 1948. To point out further references to the fruit of the Fig tree let’s take two more looks at the scriptures in Jeremiah 24:1-10 and Song of Solomon 2:11-13. In the first reference, Jeremiah 24:1-10 we read about good figs and bad figs. These it is easy to see, represent the fruit of the country of Israel. In the second reference, Song of Solomon 2:11-13 we read of the winter being over and spring is upon us and the Fig tree puts forth her green figs. Use your imaginations and consider what these verses are saying and then the connection between the country of Israel becoming a tender branch and the coming of the Bridegroom.

Jesus wants us to be watchful and expectant of the time He will return to take His Bride. Let’s get our wedding dresses spotless and have extra oil for our lamps and trim the wicks so we will not be in the dark when the Bridegroom arrives.

Hey, Thank you very much for that!

I want to ad something to consider. Maybe we were given the prophesies to not only prepare for the return of Jesus Christ but to provide for the needs fo the Saints during the portion of the tribulation perdiod which we are still here and until the return of Jesus.
How else are we to feed eachother if we can't buy or sell anything unless we made preparations before hand? I really believe that we were given the prophesies not just so that we can say "see, I told you so", but so that we can prepare. Christians are going to be hunted down for their rejection of the global plans and rejection of the Mark of the Beast.
No way do I believe any longer that we will be raptured before the tribulation but will go through at least a part of it making the rapture, a rescue out of the tribulation. There is only one second coming of Jesus. When He reaches the clouds, He calls up those who are dead out of their graves and those who are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him in the air and we will be transformed immediatly. We then wage war against Satan and his angels here on earth.
The pre-tribulation rapture theory just doesn't make sense to me anymore. Why would God allow all the Christians past to be so harshly persecuted but not us especially when there are so many verses to indicate otherwise?