Food Stamp Temporary Stimulus Boost Ends

[Antischism]

Government has been and continues to be the problem. I don't blame the people, they're not my enemies. There are many government and societal reasons for why people fall back and eventually rely on welfare. As a rational, conscious human being and an anarchist, I realize where the problem stems and how you can't simply eliminate something that is the lifeblood of the poor in this country due to the way the country has been shaped through the years. FUCK YOU, GOT MINE and BOOTSTRAPS! are idiotic retorts to the problem. Instead of focusing on "THOSE LAZY, DIRTY POORS," we need to bring our economy back to health, get out of debt by shutting things down that won't impact the American people negatively and end foreign aid when we can't even properly take care of our own.

The constant harping against poor people and those that rely on government aid is fucking atrocious. Don't attack the people on it, focus that attack on government and realize that your average, poor American is a victim of our incompetent government, War on Drugs and military interventionism.

Once we get our shit in order, we can ease people back into a healthy economy and working. A lot of the crime, mental health issues, unemployment and general unhealthiness are symptoms of our corporatist system. Once we can get away from such control, you'll find that people will rely less and less on aid, and it can be reduced step by step in time.

 

[tod evans]

Once we get our shit in order, we can ease people back into a healthy economy and working. A lot of the crime, mental health issues, unemployment and general unhealthiness are symptoms of our corporatist system. Once we can get away from such control, you'll find that people will rely less and less on aid, and it can be reduced step by step in time.

I've listened to this shit for well over 40 years.

It ain't working.

 

[amy31416]

Government has been and continues to be the problem. I don't blame the people, they're not my enemies. There are many government and societal reasons for why people fall back and eventually rely on welfare. As a rational, conscious human being and an anarchist, I realize where the problem stems and how you can't simply eliminate something that is the lifeblood of the poor in this country due to the way the country has been shaped through the years. FUCK YOU, GOT MINE and BOOTSTRAPS! are idiotic retorts to the problem. Instead of focusing on "THOSE LAZY, DIRTY POORS," we need to bring our economy back to health, get out of debt by shutting things down that won't impact the American people negatively and end foreign aid when we can't even properly take care of our own.

The constant harping against poor people and those that rely on government aid is fucking atrocious. Don't attack the people on it, focus that attack on government and realize that your average, poor American is a victim of our incompetent government, War on Drugs and military interventionism.

Once we get our shit in order, we can ease people back into a healthy economy and working. A lot of the crime, mental health issues, unemployment and general unhealthiness are symptoms of our corporatist system. Once we can get away from such control, you'll find that people will rely less and less on aid, and it can be reduced step by step in time.

I wouldn't "harp" on poor people on welfare if they ever even once stepped back and were even slightly thankful. If this woman said anything along the lines of "I've been really fortunate to get the help we needed for as long as we have," then this wouldn't irritate me nearly as much.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Seriously. If that mom taught the kids how to make homemade bread and bought flour instead of store-made, I bet that'd make up the difference.

Exactly.

 

[bolil]

Why people have kids when they know that they will need to rely on an outside source to take care of them. I just don't get it. I understand that things happen, but I am not having kids unless I have the means to educate and feed them and give them a good life ALREADY in the bank.

I mean, I hope this woman apologizes to her children when they go to bed hungry. But no, she is a mother, its not her fault, it is the fault of society.

 

[Antischism]

I've listened to this shit for well over 40 years.

It ain't working.

So what do you propose? We throw everyone off of welfare onto the streets and let them starve? You're punishing the victims of our corrupt system. And if you think "the church" and "charities" will be able to take care of millions, that's just incredibly naive.

 

[Antischism]

I wouldn't "harp" on poor people on welfare if they ever even once stepped back and were even slightly thankful. If this woman said anything along the lines of "I've been really fortunate to get the help we needed for as long as we have," then this wouldn't irritate me nearly as much.

Because of the way some people act, you choose to demonize the rest?

You should be holding government in contempt for most of the ills that have fallen upon our country and our society as a whole. Who gives a shit what the lady says in the end? As long as we're under the rule of corporatists, it'll continue to get worse and I will continue to sympathize with those who are victimized. It's easy to just say, "FUCK THEM. THEY'RE ALL JUST LAZY AND UNGRATEFUL." But to do so would be to become ignorant of our societal ills and how government has a monopoly on the lives of the poor who have been enslaved into a system where they both feed off of each other as a result.

Hell, these people typically don't even have access to proper education.

 

[tod evans]

So what do you propose? We throw everyone off of welfare onto the streets and let them starve? You're punishing the victims of our corrupt system.

Absolutely, and the government employees that "work" for the welfare system too.

Rip the band-aid off don't tug it gently.

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And if you think "the church" and "charities" will be able to take care of millions, that's just incredibly naive.

Frankly I don't care at this point who, or if anyone, feeds/clothes and houses those who can't/won't support themselves.

 

[FallOfTheWest]

For some reason, I felt a little bad as I clicked the thread.

Then I scrolled down and saw her kids and then I was reminded again why I don't support welfare.

FFS stop having kids

 

[phill4paul]

Because of the way some people act, you choose to demonize the rest?

You should be holding government in contempt for most of the ills that have fallen upon our country and our society as a whole. Who gives a shit what the lady says in the end? As long as we're under the rule of corporatists, it'll continue to get worse and I will continue to sympathize with those who are victimized. It's easy to just say, "FUCK THEM. THEY'RE ALL JUST LAZY AND UNGRATEFUL." But to do so would be to become ignorant of our societal ills and how government has a monopoly on the lives of the poor who have been enslaved into a system where they both feed off of each other as a result.

Hell, these people typically don't even have access to proper education.

I do hold the government in contempt. However, in no way, shape or form should choosing not to feed, house, clothe, educate or provide medical care be construed as victimization of the poor.

And no one in this ladies family is in danger of starving.

 

[tod evans]

I do hold the government in contempt. However, in no way, shape or form should choosing not to feed, house, clothe, educate or provide medical care be construed as victimization of the poor.

Think of the children..

 

[phill4paul]

Think of the children..

In the pictures it looked like they had distended bellies. I'm pretty sure that is not from starvation though.

 

[amy31416]

Because of the way some people act, you choose to demonize the rest?

You should be holding government in contempt for most of the ills that have fallen upon our country and our society as a whole. Who gives a shit what the lady says in the end? As long as we're under the rule of corporatists, it'll continue to get worse and I will continue to sympathize with those who are victimized. It's easy to just say, "FUCK THEM. THEY'RE ALL JUST LAZY AND UNGRATEFUL." But to do so would be to become ignorant of our societal ills and how government has a monopoly on the lives of the poor who have been enslaved into a system where they both feed off of each other as a result.

Hell, these people typically don't even have access to proper education.

Ultimately, I do blame the government. However, the government is put into place by the people.

And it isn't easy to say "FUCK THEM. THEY'RE ALL JUST LAZY AND UNGRATEFUL. Because I do agree with Ron's position that we ditch the foreign and military spending and use a weaning method. It isn't easy, because there are good people in bad positions who do need the help.

But do you know why he recommends the weaning method? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE LAZY, TAKE IT FOR GRANTED AND ARE CAREER WELFARISTS WITH NO INTENTION OF EVER GETTING OFF IT. Those people will riot and will steal and harm other people without it. And why would they do that? Because they think what's mine and yours is theirs.

And everyone who lives near a damn library has access to a proper education if they're motivated.

 

[angelatc]

Once we get our shit in order, we can ease people back into a healthy economy and working. A lot of the crime, mental health issues, unemployment and general unhealthiness are symptoms of our corporatist system. Once we can get away from such control, you'll find that people will rely less and less on aid, and it can be reduced step by step in time.

No disrespect, but that doesn't work. When we enter periods of economic boom, the government only moves to expand. When the economy moves ahead, they get giddy with having a surplus and create new programs to spend it. Nobody ever says "Hey! Unemployment is at 4% - even the illegal aliens are making $20 an hour - so we should phase out X program now, while people can easily replace that income in the private sector."

No, they do stuff like propose midnight basketball programs and Medicare Part D.

 

[angelatc]

So what do you propose? We throw everyone off of welfare onto the streets and let them starve? You're punishing the victims of our corrupt system. And if you think "the church" and "charities" will be able to take care of millions, that's just incredibly naive.

Why do you think people would starve? Do you really think that people are actually entirely incapable of even feeding themselves?

 

[tod evans]

So what do you propose? We throw everyone off of welfare onto the streets and let them starve? You're punishing the victims of our corrupt system. And if you think "the church" and "charities" will be able to take care of millions, that's just incredibly naive.

People on welfare are not victims and removing tax funding is not a punishment.

Why would you advocate "punishing" me by taking my money to feed them?

 

[Antischism]

I do hold the government in contempt. However, in no way, shape or form should choosing not to feed, house, clothe, educate or provide medical care be construed as victimization of the poor.

And no one in this ladies family is in danger of starving.

The American people have been put in a position, through the years, where government care has become expected, and government likes it that way because it guarantees more votes if they continue to expand it. This is now the norm, and they have been educated to believe as much. As a result, stripping the people of all welfare in one fell swoop would be catastrophic and a total disregard for human life while failing to acknowledge why many are in the position they are today. I'm talking in general, not about this specific case.

Ultimately, I do blame the government. However, the government is put into place by the people.

And it isn't easy to say "FUCK THEM. THEY'RE ALL JUST LAZY AND UNGRATEFUL. Because I do agree with Ron's position that we ditch the foreign and military spending and use a weaning method. It isn't easy, because there are good people in bad positions who do need the help.

But do you know why he recommends the weaning method? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE LAZY, TAKE IT FOR GRANTED AND ARE CAREER WELFARISTS WITH NO INTENTION OF EVER GETTING OFF IT. Those people will riot and will steal and harm other people without it. And why would they do that? Because they think what's mine and yours is theirs.

And everyone who lives near a damn library has access to a proper education if they're motivated.

So you agree, but you view people less as victims, more as lazy opportunists.

I disagree with that notion. I think while there are certainly people who take advantage of the system, the majority end up on welfare because they either make bad life decisions due to their surroundings/circumstance, come from a broken family due to government programs like the War on Drugs for example, are deeply depressed and find no motivation (a symptom of our society and government), or simply look at the situation realistically and realize they can get more from government than they would working a fast-food job with shitty wages. The economy and jobs market are in shambles, and getting a college education with a degree no longer really guarantees you'll wind up with a better paying job.

Also, the problem with getting a proper education is a lot of the time, families are too busy trying to get food on the table to worry about higher learning. They're too focused on trying to get by.

No disrespect, but that doesn't work. When we enter periods of economic boom, the government only moves to expand. When the economy moves ahead, they get giddy with having a surplus and create new programs to spend it. Nobody ever says "Hey! Unemployment is at 4% - even the illegal aliens are making $20 an hour - so we should phase out X program now, while people can easily replace that income in the private sector."

No, they do stuff like propose midnight basketball programs and Medicare Part D.

But the goal (my goal) would be to get rid of government entirely in the future, not minarchism.

And to answer your other question, that's a pretty naive way of thinking. So you're telling me millions of people, flooding the streets, who are financially insecure and will be evicted from their homes, will suddenly find jobs they can work that will sustain them and their families all of a sudden? That businesses will suddenly spring up overnight to hire these people, supposing they even had the motivation to look for a job after suffering the blow of homelessness? You're assuming that everyone has the same thought process and the same priorities in life. That everything will just take care of itself.

Like Amy stated, one of the effects of suddenly ending welfare would be riots. Quite frankly, I wouldn't blame the rioters. This is why you slowly work that out of the system after you've ended the war on drugs and crushed the military-industrial complex.

 

[Antischism]

People on welfare are not victims and removing tax funding is not a punishment.

Why would you advocate "punishing" me by taking my money to feed them?

How much money do you think this country would save once you get rid of the m-ic, foreign aid and end useless domestic wars like the one on drugs, which could be used as we start to wean away welfare?

 

[Lucille]

Her house is a mess and she needs to lose at least 75 lbs. She could easily stop eating $36.00 worth of food a month, and no one else in the household would have to go without. Has she heard about Michelle's Let's Move campaign? She needs to get moving, clear out the clutter, and clean that pigsty.

They look like they're big fans of champagne. Assuming it's cheap, that's got to be at least 60 bucks worth of wine.

 

[tod evans]

How much money do you think this country would save once you get rid of the m-ic, foreign aid and end useless domestic wars like the one on drugs, which could be used as we start to wean away welfare?

I'm for ending those too but please don't include me in the we you speak of who intends to wean welfare recipients.

Trying to interconnect "wars" with welfare is dishonest.

The only connection is that government foots the bill.