Florida GOP kicking out conservative / Ron Paul Republicans!

New York For Paul said:
One way to approach candidates is to get them to sign a pledge. Many candidates talk a good game, but a written pledge not to raise taxes or increase spending is little more binding on an elected official.
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That is a good approach. But from the politicians' end there's no point in sticking your neck out and signing a pledge if nobody is demanding it. In the case of Toomey he's getting all the mileage he needs out of his reputation as a conservative without needing to do that. Rubio doesn't seem to be cutting into Crist yet (though, who knows maybe he will). So maybe he would benefit from making a specific pledge. But from what I can tell from his supporters who post here, he doesn't need to either. They are convinced that the race is between Crist and Rubio and that Rubio is better, even though he hasn't committed to anything to make them think that, and even though Crist was rated by the Cato Institute in 2008 as the single best governor of all 50 states on fiscal issues.
 
erowe1 said:
That is a good approach. But from the politicians' end there's no point in sticking your neck out and signing a pledge if nobody is demanding it. In the case of Toomey he's getting all the mileage he needs out of his reputation as a conservative without needing to do that. Rubio doesn't seem to be cutting into Crist yet (though, who knows maybe he will). So maybe he would benefit from making a specific pledge. But from what I can tell from his supporters who post here, he doesn't need to either. They are convinced that the race is between Crist and Rubio and that Rubio is better, even though he hasn't committed to anything to make them think that, and even though Crist was rated by the Cato Institute in 2008 as the single best governor of all 50 states on fiscal issues.
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There are conservative groups demanding pledges for different issues. We need to do the same. We have to be the ones demanding it. Believe me their are millions of pissed off republican activists and donors who are mad at the GOP for deficit spending, increasing the size of government, trying to raise taxes in California etc.

Those supporters might be stupid in thinking they don't need a pledge. Whoever is the smart candidate in florida will start talking about less government and pledge in writing to do so. That would give the candidate an edge.

Good ole Senator Bob Dole thought he didn't need to sign pledges either and thought so little of his constituents that they wouldn't notice when he would reverse himself. Well he lost too in 1996.'

Many of the better managed gun rights groups submit candidate questionaires and ask for pledges to support one policy over another. Many times the candidates comply because they either support the policy or they are afraid of the political backlash from gun owners. We have to build up our grassroots organization so that politicians want to sign a no new taxes pledge or feel the negative consequences if they don't.
 
Matt Collins said:
BREAKING NEWS!


Apparently the Republican Party of Florida is trying to give the boot to about 20 or so conservative / Ron Paul Republicans in the State. Mostly it's those who are outspoken about things like limited government, John McCain, the Federal Reserve, Governor Crist (soon to be "anointed" into the Senate), and the current state of the GOP.


I've been told details, but I don't want to put anything into writing until I see it on paper first (hopefully in the next few days).


But look for this to be a major story very soon.
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That's what you get for drinking the GOP kool-aid and then covertly trying to change the flavor.

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Volitzer said:
Goodbye Republicans hello Constitution Party. :)
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nope the cp will need to merge into something new! maybe a Liberty party that unites all the political factions! the cp will never go mainstream as they are now!

they look to religious for mainstream voters! their own convention looked more like sunday school then a political convention to me. me and my wife watched a good portion of it!

ron paul proved that different coalitions could come together. i am hoping the lp/cp/tp and the rpr/rpd and indys gives us a new platform and new party. that we can all join and merge our movements and coalitions!!

Ron Pauls Platform is pretty much the only reason i am even a registered republican!!

if the gop can not fill the void. then a new party must! the lp/cp/tp and other factions are to small alone. they must swallow their party pride and join together asap!!
 
Volitzer said:
Goodbye Republicans hello Constitution Party. :)
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Consider moving to a state like New Hampshire rather than joining a fringe third-party. Then stay a Republican & try to infiltrate it like th FSP's are attempting. That's what I'm going to do anyways, it's better than living in a Liberal hell-hole like my state (Massachusetts).
 
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Flash said:
Consider moving to a state like New Hampshire rather than joining a fringe third-party. Then stay a Republican & try to infiltrate it like th FSP's are attempting. That's what I'm going to do anyways, it's better than living in a Liberal hell-hole like my state (Massachusetts).
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NH isn't much better. MT or WY are our best bets.
 
Matt Collins said:
Anyone else on the ground in FL that can give us some more insight?
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I'm surprised I haven't heard any of this. I still have contacts with the old local RP meetup groups and they spring to action and send out a flurry of emails whenever necessary.

I get emails from Dean Santoro he's never been brought it up.

I do bet the Marco Rubio emails but like everyone has stated I don't think he's convinced everyone we are better off yet.

And Christ was a very popular governor and people in FL are pretty stupid when it comes to politics (and other things) so they'll vote for a popular name. I think Marco is battling a lost cause. Plus I'm pretty sure Christ will be able to outspend Rubio EASILY.
 
Feenix566 said:
Stop asking the GOP to listen. Make them listen.
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whatever. I AM . the point i keep telling folks is in my county the democratic party is more lp/gop then the gop/lp. the gop in my county is dead except for the neo-cons. the gop in lake county is not worth taking over .when the democrats are full of libertarians and republicans. taking the gop in lake county back is like arguing over a bag of shit!

worry about your county . i will worry about mine. i have spent my last 2 yrs telling the gop what they should do. they still do not listen. We will make them listen by sending their asses out of office and we will continue to do so. that is making them listen. you do not reward neo-con republicans by voting them in!
We made them listen and now we are working with ron paul dems and we are going to encourage folks to keep working with the democratic party in lake county colorado.

what part of the democratic party in lake county is more republican and lp then the gop/lp! do people not understand . politics in every county and state is different. you cannot blanket each county and state as this or that. the fact is all politics are different at the local level!

the gop should die in some counties. if the gop listens. then they might get some votes if not.they deserve to be put down. I will continue to work for liberty no matter the party!

I am not going to vote for a republican just because they run against a democrat, especially when the democrats get the ron paul message! If the gop fails to listen. then it is my job as a voter to find a candidate that will, no matter the party!

now i will mention this as well. the fact is 2 ron paul republicans are going to run and one did very well against the dem he ran against(last election). the fact is the cogop said they would not support the 2 ron paul republicans running. so both will be running as ron paul dems in colorado. the one ron paul republican that did well against the dem. was asked to run in that guys spot in the next election! aka the democrat loved the ron paul republicans message so much. the dem he ran against is stepping down and allowing the ron paul republican to run in his place. NOW THAT IS CHANGE, you can thank the cogop for alienating the ron paul republicans to run as a dem and he has a strong chance to beat the republican and fill the democrats spot(which the dems hold already;). he just ran against in the last election! we have ron paul republicans in the gop and are gonna still try but if the gop fails to listen. then the gop will be a 3rd party sooner then you think!

Reality is Reality! As long as we ron paul republicans keep the gop in check they will keep going down as we continue to build our lp/gop support with in our local democratic party and gop in other counties! when the gop starts listening, we start to support some gop candidates ,until then we will support liberty no matter the party. it is called multi-tasking and not wasting our time! speaking to a brick wall is a waste of time!
 
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