Florida GOP kicking out conservative / Ron Paul Republicans!

Conservative Christian said:
Your points are irrelevant.
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I don't get where you're coming from. My points are irrelevant to what? This is a discussion forum. And if my point that the GOP has always been marxist leaning is irrelevant, then doesn't that mean that your point that it has recently become marxist leaning (i.e. the post I was replying to) is equally irrelevant.

As for working within the GOP, I've never spoken against that. I advocate and do it myself. I'm a Republican precinct chair, was a delegate at my state's 2008 convention, and remain active in the party.
 
erowe1 said:
I don't get where you're coming from. My points are irrelevant to what? This is a discussion forum. And if my point that the GOP has always been marxist leaning is irrelevant, then doesn't that mean that your point that it has recently become marxist leaning (i.e. the post I was replying to) is equally irrelevant.
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^Straw man alert!

I NEVER stated that the Republican Party had "recently become marxist leaning", so please stop blatantly misrepresenting my position and putting words in my mouth.

What I REALLY said was (with capitalization in the original):

"The "liberals", i.e. New World Order Socialists, took over the GOP at the top YEARS AGO."

"YEARS AGO" is NOT "recently".

Your irrelevant statements, false claims, straw man argumentation, and lack of reading comprehension have been noted, laughed at, and FLUSHED! :p

Now PLEASE try to stay on thread topic. Thank you! :)
 
Conservative Christian said:
^Straw man alert!

I NEVER stated that the Republican Party had "recently become marxist leaning", so please stop blatantly misrepresenting my position and putting words in my mouth.

What I REALLY said was (with capitalization in the original):

"The "liberals", i.e. New World Order Socialists, took over the GOP at the top YEARS AGO."

"YEARS AGO" is NOT "recently".

Your irrelevant statements, false claims, straw man argumentation, and lack of reading comprehension have been noted, laughed at, and FLUSHED! :p

Now PLEASE try to stay on thread topic. Thank you! :)
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I still don't get what you're arguing about. How is it that anything I have said is irrelevant while anything you have said is relevant? I've addressed the same topics you have. If they were relevant for you then they were for me too. And since when do we have a rule about being relevant around here anyway?

You said the GOP had been taken over by socialists (i.e. marxists) years ago (i.e. recently, as in some time more recent than the beginnings of the Republican party), while I replied that they had been that way from the start. If you want to nitpick about how many years still qualifies as "recently," and whether your use of the word "years" meant something shorter or longer than that amount, then you'll have to find someone else to argue against. My point still stands that socialism in the GOP wasn't the result of some take over causing the party to depart from its former principles. It's we constitutionalists and proponents of free markets and limited government who are the infiltrators who have tried to move the party away from its marxist roots.
 
We begin the takeover of the GOP in Arkansas This coming Tuesday!!!! Do not want to say more yet but it is definetly on...... Folks, if we can't take over an organization in the current shape of the GOP, that ain;t sayin much for us is it.....
 
erowe1 said:
I still don't get what you're arguing about. How is it that anything I have said is irrelevant while anything you have said is relevant? I've addressed the same topics you have. If they were relevant for you then they were for me too. And since when do we have a rule about being relevant around here anyway?

You said the GOP had been taken over by socialists (i.e. marxists) years ago (i.e. recently, as in some time more recent than the beginnings of the Republican party), while I replied that they had been that way from the start. If you want to nitpick about how many years still qualifies as "recently," and whether your use of the word "years" meant something shorter or longer than that amount, then you'll have to find someone else to argue against. My point still stands that socialism in the GOP wasn't the result of some take over causing the party to depart from its former principles. It's we constitutionalists and proponents of free markets and limited government who are the infiltrators who have tried to move the party away from its marxist roots.
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ROTFLMAO! Your "point" does NOT stand, because you haven't proven SQUAT!

YOU are the one who first took exception to something I said. I hadn't said a single word to you in this thread, before you wanted to be a little drama queen and start NITPICKING about my claim about the Republican Party.

If you don't want to be argued with, DON'T START AN ARGUMENT! Pretty simple concept!

Just because you PROCLAIM that the Republican Party has "marxist roots", does NOT prove your case. All it proves is your gross ignorance of basic argumentation.

And any REASONABLE person doesn't consider "YEARS AGO" to be synonymous with "recently", so run along with your BS excuses and specious reasoning.

Now PLEASE try to stay on thread topic. Thank you!
 
Floridians have it hard I see. If they get no where fighting the neocons, we'd love to have them and welcome them up here in NH - where we essentially have the state GOP on lock as of late. I was at the NH Liberty Dinner yesterday and every Republican that was there were libertarian-leaning. We have good things going on up here after we throw the dems out, no thx to the Bush-whackers. It's almost certain that NH will fall back into GOP hands in 2010, people are hating on the dems right now.
 
erowe1 said:
Right. Good idea. If too many of us joined the GOP then we would be able to stop things like this from happening. And we wouldn't want that.
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Because all the work and effort put in by everyone kicked out seemed to help, all we need is more people to waste their time.

The old school neocons aren't going to just let a group of 20 somethings walk in and take over their party, as evident by this post and earlier on during the primaries. They'll do whatever it takes to hold on to their power. I honestly don't know if it's worth the effort. I applaud those who try, but for me personally, I don't think I could associate with those neocons while still holding on to my sanity.

Maybe I'm not doing enough for liberty, but I'll stick to my statement and I am glad I didn't bother trying to join and associate with a bunch of neocons only to be kicked out when our group becomes even remotely a threat to their way of doing things. I am not glad, however, that those that did try were kicked out, and hopefully something can be done to correct this wrong doing.

Hopefully everything gets worked out, the GOP turns libertarianesq, and I get proven wrong and at that point you reluctantly allow all the non-believes, including myself, to join your cause and party as the real party of change, but for now, I'm sorry but I can't bring myself to join you. I honestly wish those who try the GOP route the best though.
 
I wish him luck, but unfortunately I don't think he'll get anywhere. They'll keep him barred and banned from their little functions since they make the rules, and he'll end up spending all his effort fighting them.

Keep us updated though.
 
FSP-Rebel said:
Floridians have it hard I see. If they get no where fighting the neocons, we'd love to have them and welcome them up here in NH - where we essentially have the state GOP on lock as of late. I was at the NH Liberty Dinner yesterday and every Republican that was there were libertarian-leaning. We have good things going on up here after we throw the dems out, no thx to the Bush-whackers. It's almost certain that NH will fall back into GOP hands in 2010, people are hating on the dems right now.
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When did these libertarian-leaning Republicans get their "lock" on the NH GOP? I assume it was some time after January 2008.
 
Athan said:
Since when has the mainstream media ever come to our aid?
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The liberal media likes to play up divisions within the GOP. That needs to be used to our advantage to call the GOP leadership into the spotlight when they push shenanigans such as this against limited-government/conservative Republicans.
 
Don't they see they are causing their own demise? They cant continue sticking to the same old party platform. The arguments that he is "harmful to the GOP" are laughable. The GOP is harmful to the GOP.
 
Situations like this are why I am glad to be leaving Florida sometime in the coming months. This state is a disaster in one form or another. At least where I'm planning on moving now has people that I know who thinK Ron Paul is the most principled Republican out there and definitely want to end The Federal Reserve. Florida is a sinking ship and people like Charlie Crist and the neocon douchebags in control here are acting as if nothing is wrong while they purge the ranks of those of us who don't want to follow them.
 
Conservative Christian said:
ROTFLMAO! Your "point" does NOT stand, because you haven't proven SQUAT!

YOU are the one who first took exception to something I said. I hadn't said a single word to you in this thread, before you wanted to be a little drama queen and start NITPICKING about my claim about the Republican Party.

If you don't want to be argued with, DON'T START AN ARGUMENT! Pretty simple concept!

Just because you PROCLAIM that the Republican Party has "marxist roots", does NOT prove your case. All it proves is your gross ignorance of basic argumentation.

And any REASONABLE person doesn't consider "YEARS AGO" to be synonymous with "recently", so run along with your BS excuses and specious reasoning.

Now PLEASE try to stay on thread topic. Thank you!
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I didn't intend to start an argument. And I still don't get what you're arguing about. The only correction I offered to anything you said is when I corrected your claim that the GOP had been taken over by marxists by pointing out that marxists had been welcome in the GOP from the very beginning of the party. I provided a link to an article about it. So far you haven't replied to that point (which is your prerogative, I didn't expect a response anyway, it was just intended as a contribution to the thread, not a shot at you). You've just tried to start some kind of argument with me about peripheral things other than that. I don't care to argue about how many years qualifies as "recently" or what a person must believe about the word "recently" to qualify as a "reasonable person." That wasn't my point, and I won't take that bait. Sorry if that disappoints you. As for staying on topic, I've addressed the same topics you have. I don't know why we need a rule to stay on some special topic or who made you the referee to decide when someone has veered from that. But to whatever degree I have been either on or off topic, you have been the same.

If anybody actually wants to talk about the main point I made, which is that the GOP's marxist roots are endemic to the party and not some later infiltration, then it might be an interesting discussion. Of course you don't have to take part in discussing that if you don't want (and so far it appears you don't, which is fine). If others want to, especially if they have counter-evidence, I'm definitely interested in learning more about that.
 
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The Republican Liberty Caucus of Northeast Florida...

Dear RLCNEF Members,

Unfortunately, like our State Chairman, Will Pitts, I too have received an RPOF Grievance seeking to have me removed as a Republican Precinct Committeeman as well as prohibiting me from membership in any Republican organization for the next four years.

In the Grievance I also learned that the St. Johns County Republican Executive Committee voted unanimously on August 14, 2008 to pass a resolution stating that William Pitts, Wynona Mayer and John Stevens are considered by the SJCREC to be ineligible to serve on the REC.

SJCREC Resolution:
http://files.meetup.com/1148187/SJCREC Resolution.pdf

Statement to RPOF State Chairman Jim Greer submitted by William Blythe:
http://files.meetup.com/1148187/William Blythe Statement of Grievance.pdf

Grievance from the RPOF:
http://files.meetup.com/1148187/Grievance.pdf

From reviewing the material, this is what I surmise as the issues behind the Grievance…

1. I was wearing a Ron Paul campaign button and attending the Rally for the Republic in Minnesota after John McCain won the GOP nomination.
(Seriously - there are photos in my grievance packet pointing this out)

2. I sent e-mails and posted online forum messages critical of today’s Republican Party that urged former Republicans to return to the GOP and join in the fight to take back/take over the party. I of course used some strong language to empathize with their anger in an effort to get them back into the Party. Language that when taken out of context - might appear that I am not supportive of the Republican Party.
(Yes, Party leaders have been busy researching and collecting my online posts and my e-mails)

What Can be Done?

The good news is that we are not alone. Other Republicans around the state who have challenged the direction of the Party have also been sent Grievances. There is a strong coalition forming to fight back against these tactics. More to come on that…

In the meantime...

If you have a FaceBook account – Please join the Restore the Republican Party of Florida Group
http://www.facebook.com/johncharlesstevens?ref=profile#/group.php?gid=114057504448&ref=mf

Please spread this message far and wide. We need all rank and file Republicans to understand what is happening to their Party in Florida.

Feel free to contact the following St. Johns County Republicans and express your feelings on this matter:

William Blythe – SJCREC member who submitted original Grievance against Will Pitts and John Stevens.
[email protected]

Harlan Mason – St. Johns County REC Chairman
[email protected]

Becky Reichenberg – St. Johns County State Committeewoman
[email protected]

Jon Woodard – St. Johns County State Committeeman
[email protected]

In Liberty,
John Stevens
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Help us out via FaceBook:
http://www.facebook.com/johncharlesstevens?ref=profile#/group.php?gid=114057504448&ref=mf
 
FSP-Rebel said:
Floridians have it hard I see. If they get no where fighting the neocons, we'd love to have them and welcome them up here in NH - where we essentially have the state GOP on lock as of late. I was at the NH Liberty Dinner yesterday and every Republican that was there were libertarian-leaning.
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This is good, but excuse me for not thinking that just because every republican at a LIBERTY event is a libertarian automatically equates to having the entire party on lock. When every republican at a mainstream GOP event is libertarian-leaning, then maybe you can say you've got the party on lock.
 
"The arguments that he is "harmful to the GOP" are laughable. The GOP is harmful to the GOP."


They are their own worst enemies but their denial knows no bounds.
 
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