Flipping the vote against Ron Paul in South Carolina?

[bbwarfield]

I personally think the data will show Dorchester, Berkley, and aiken flipping from paul.... Florence from gingrich... Greenwood Paul if it flips... but its in the hazy low population area

 

[Adam West]

"This is why IOWA may be the MOST IMPORTANT state to prove electronic voter fraud occured. There are two possible culprits, that we know of, that are responsible for this voting flip. One is the electronic voting machines they vote on. The other is the Central Tabulation Center where all the votes from all the races goes to first before being sent back to the state to be reproted and realeased to the media. This one company can change an entire states votes count on one machine before they send it back. This is a foreign company that processes the votes offshore, not in America. In a state like Iowa which was a caucus and hand counted those votes, the results were sent to a Central Tabulation Center offshore and Tabulated by this foreign company BEFORE being sent back to Iowa to be released to the media."

Ha. I was wondering when Goldman-Sachs would rear its ugly head...

EDIT: Here is a link to an article that talks about that company http://healthfreedom2012.com/HFblog/...ael-sctyl-soe/

 

[bbwarfield]

EDIT: Here is a link to an article that talks about that company http://healthfreedom2012.com/HFblog/...ael-sctyl-soe/

you may want to be careful with that source.. the book it comes from has some.. well... tin foil hat moments. It kinda reads like a "ron paul newsletter" at moments

It also has a pro paul chapter.... the problem is the rest of the book is very "israilis have stolen our elections"
most of the info on scytel is independently verifiable.... but just be careful when referencing the book....

EDIT: well it would make sense.... although I dont typicaly like to use name calling as a reason to not use someones information "aka ron paul being called racist over newsletters" but it seems the authors name is used in conjunction with the phrase "jew bater" quite a bit on the internet. He also wrote a book about how 9/11 was a jewish set up against muslims.
Im not saying his information about scytel is wrong... just use the sources he links to in his article rather than his article to prove the point..... his assumptions jump to far at other points in the book and id rather we not have a proxy attack on this

 

[Mark37snj]

Ha. I was wondering when Goldman-Sachs would rear its ugly head...

EDIT: Here is a link to an article that talks about that company http://healthfreedom2012.com/HFblog/...ael-sctyl-soe/

This link does not work here or on the page. He is the a link to the blog and a excerp: http://healthfreedom2012.com/HFblog/

Excerpt from the forthcoming book, Rigged (chapters to be posted on www.healthfreedom2012.com/HFblog)

Of particular concern is the entity Scytl-SOE. This was purchased largely by an Israeli venture capital firm known as Benchmark-Israel, now known as Balderton Capital. Associated with Goldman-Sachs, Balderton Capital is a buy-up firm. Another money source for Scytl-SOE is Nauta Capital, which is also Israeli-operated. The name Benchmark-Israel tells all, although, again, this name was recently changed to Balderton. Yet, that this firm is Israeli is beyond question. For example, in Israel Science and Technology News Benchmark is featured as a funder of yet another Israeli company, a software company called Cotendo.

Press releases regarding Sctyl proclaim that it is an electronic system which is “completely secure and auditable” and that “Scytl’s advanced election security technology positions the company as a leader in the electoral modernization industry.” A call to the local office for this company in Baltimore, Maryland, revealed it’s not much of a company. The secretary confirmed only two people work there, her and her boss David Campbell. A second call gets a voice-mail, asking to “leave your number.” The Web sites for Sctyl/SOE as well as Balderton Capital are rudimentary at best.

This is the most bizarre circumstance conceivable. A non-American, offshore entity counts the vote? Offices with two people at best a non-web sites control the election processes? It is obviously a set-up. Results from the electronic voting machines and even hand-ballots are sent to these privately or, rather, Israeli-owned companies. There is no way to confirm the results. Nor is there any monitoring of the activities of the people who are operating the servers. These operators could merely change the vote count as it comes in, and no one would know about it. That’s what they did in the 2012 South Carolina primary and more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)

Circumstantial Evidence - Evidence of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning. The introduction of a defendant's fingerprints or DNA sample are examples of circumstantial evidence. The fact that a defendant had a motive to commit a crime is circumstantial evidence. However, in an important sense all evidence is merely circumstantial because on no evidence can prove a fact in the absence of one or more inference.

 

[bbwarfield]

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...quires-SOE-Software-Leading-Election-Software

also of note.... scytl and SOE were not the same company till January 11th.... so scytl may be unaware of a problem present in SOE software.... or there merger may not have been used in SC yet (there current firmware is 5.0 somthing.... the ones used in most places is stil 4.0 something or other (you can find it on the secretary of states website for South Carolina EDIT: maybe we cant.... but you should be able to call monday and get that list end Edit.....what firmware and models are used where.... but Floridas election website statees theyve tested later software)

The point is.... the number crunchers need to crunch the numbers... and until we have those we wont be able to point any fingers.... and even then alot more information will be needed to find 1) where the fraud took place 2) how it took place 3) who perpetrated it

 

[bbwarfield]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)

Circumstantial Evidence - Evidence of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning. The introduction of a defendant's fingerprints or DNA sample are examples of circumstantial evidence. The fact that a defendant had a motive to commit a crime is circumstantial evidence. However, in an important sense all evidence is merely circumstantial because on no evidence can prove a fact in the absence of one or more inference.

Im not following....

 

[chapchap70]

Liberty1789,

I compared post 822 with 880. If too few average precincts from 70% higher that had such a small effect on the rest of the sheet is all that was wrong in all your spreadsheets, I am even more impressed than I was already.

In the 880 spreadsheet, it took me a while to figure out that the NV stood for (I think) New Version instead of Nevada.

 

[Mark37snj]

Im not following....

I'm just posting this to give a frame of reference so people can comment on where we stand with the evidence we have on the various issues.

 

[affa]

Liberty1789,

I compared post 822 with 880. If too few average precincts from 70% higher that had such a small effect on the rest of the sheet is all that was wrong in all your spreadsheets, I am even more impressed than I was already.

In the 880 spreadsheet, it took me a while to figure out that the NV stood for (I think) New Version instead of Nevada.

Yea, NV is misleading. V1, V2, V3 would get point across better if it's even needed to get across. o

 

[affa]

for use in understanding South Carolina... the congressional districts used to determine delegates.:

can we get charts per congressional district? or perhaps, 'unflipped results vs. current results' for each district? basically, we can determine why they flipped Gingrich in certain areas.

 

[Mark37snj]

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...quires-SOE-Software-Leading-Election-Software

also of note.... scytl and SOE were not the same company till January 11th.... so scytl may be unaware of a problem present in SOE software.... or there merger may not have been used in SC yet (there current firmware is 5.0 somthing.... the ones used in most places is stil 4.0 something or other (you can find it on the secretary of states website for South Carolina EDIT: maybe we cant.... but you should be able to call monday and get that list end Edit.....what firmware and models are used where.... but Floridas election website statees theyve tested later software)

The point is.... the number crunchers need to crunch the numbers... and until we have those we wont be able to point any fingers.... and even then alot more information will be needed to find 1) where the fraud took place 2) how it took place 3) who perpetrated it

Very interesting, really. What I would like to know is when Scytl and SOE started exploring their merger. Were they collaborating before this?
Also I would like to get clarity on your "unaware of a problem present in SOE software" comment. Is it your opinion that the the anomolies we are seeing is simply the result of errors in the software or is your opinion that those "problems" are intentional with the purpose of commiting voter fraud?

 

[Liberty1789]

Absolute mathematical proof - step 3

Take a big breath and fasten your seatbelt

The top chart is about New Hampshire, Iowa and the good old county of Clark, NV.

Each point represents a decile (I took the 9 largest).
The X-axis is plotting the number of votes, as ever by ascending order of precinct vote tally.
The Y-axis indicates Romney's score improvement over the 2nd decile (the 10-20% of cumulative votes counted). The 2nd decile is therefore plotted at 0 on the Y axis (score 2nd decile -score 2nd decile = 0). The plots go up as Romney improves his scores for each and every consecutive decile, as always when he climbs.

Now focus on New hampshire, the red dots. Wow, look at that, man! The more voters, the better the score. His campaign is really good in large districts. And look: the score improvement is so regular. What a wonderful candidate...

Hmmm, what's funny is that he is achieving the very same, equally spaced progess in Iowa. Wow. Well, he is just doing better in larger precincts you see, even though, even though... those Iowan precincts do not look so large and different when compared to NH... Hmm...

Hold on... Talking of bizarre... What on Earth are those blue spot doing shooting up vertically? They get the very same even spacing but, precinct population seems to be barely changed?...

Well they do change: Quintile 5 has an average of 25 voters vs only 21 for Quintile 4. Then the gap is 5 votes, then again 5, then 9 votes... And every single time, Romney's score goes up like clockwork. A thing of wonder. We said the bigger the district, the better the performance of Romney's campaign, no? Even if it means 5 voters bigger?? No.

The t-stat parameters in the yellow box confirm it: not correlation to speak of.

But now look at the magic alignment of the second chart. Oh boy, this is correlation made in Heaven. The improvement of Romney is a straight linear function of cumulative votes. Just more votes and my score automatically goes up! A politician's dream come true!

Of course what we are looking at is an algorithm that has decided to switch a percentage of the cumulative votes to Romney. You tell the software how much you want to improve the final score by. A 7% to 9% boost seems quite popular from what can be read on the chart. Then the algorithm calculates how many votes need to be flipped and it spreads the flip unto the precincts, proportionally to their share of the final vote. In Clark, it means spreading all the way down to precincts of 15 voters, in perfect proportion of what you do to the 20-men precinct. Honest.

And that, my friends, concludes the step 3 of the absolute mathematical proof.

 

[Adam West]

This significant accomplishment could change the direction of the race for the Republican Presidential nominee.

 

[affa]

Of course what we are looking at is an algorithm that has decided to switch a percentage of the cumulative votes to Romney. You tell the software how much you want to improve the final score by. A 7% to 9% boost seems quite popular from what can be read on the chart. Then the algorithm calculates how many votes need to be flipped and it spreads the flip unto the precincts, proportionally to their share of the final vote. In Clark, it means spreading all the way down to precincts of 15 voters, in perfect proportion of what you do to the 20-men precinct. Honest.

And that, my friends, concludes the step 3 of the absolute mathematical proof.

 

[bbwarfield]

Very interesting, really. What I would like to know is when Scytl and SOE started exploring their merger. Were they collaborating before this?
Also I would like to get clarity on your "unaware of a problem present in SOE software" comment. Is it your opinion that the the anomolies we are seeing is simply the result of errors in the software or is your opinion that those "problems" are intentional with the purpose of commiting voter fraud?

yes it is only an opinion.... but not that it is an error in the software.... I believe it was a human choice to commit fraud. But the "problem: ie someone purposefully making an algorith for the purpose of rigging an election in this instance" may have existed with or without scytels knowledge.... or it was perpetrated by scytel without the knowledge of SOE...... keep in mind these two companies also both beneficiaries of the breakup of Diebolds election department....(forced by the DOJ do to monopolies) so the code of these systems do not necessary need to be changed by someone in either current company but some one from the previous.......

Side note that is completely irrelevant but saw some discussion when it happend... Rick Santorums sugar daddy Friess is a major shareholder of Diebold.... he purchased it in december I believe. Now it would have been significant if Diebold was still in the voting biz.... which its not now.... although it looks bad with Freiss having power over Santorum (with his sugar daddy position) and over Diebold (with his significant stock holding) counting santorums votes with machines marked diebold....... conspiracy theorists dream... but not really a problem

 

[bbwarfield]

And that, my friends, concludes the step 3 of the absolute mathematical proof.

bravo bravo bravissimo!!!

my friend... the word epic does not begin to describe your hard work and analysis

 

[Mark37snj]

keep in mind these two companies also both beneficiaries of the breakup of Diebolds election department....(forced by the DOJ do to monopolies) so the code of these systems do not necessary need to be changed by someone in either current company but some one from the previous.......

Quote from http://real-agenda.com/tag/iowa/

The SOE software that is used to “count” the votes allows for the easy alteration of the totals. Mrs. Harris warned that after SCYTL and SOE systems merged, people would have to trust one single source for counting the votes, “an Internet voting system controlled by SCYTL, with a results reporting system also controlled by SCYTL.”

You can't make this stuff up. The DOJ forced Diebold to split up then leaving two companies to control what Diebold did then they just later merge back into one company re-creating the same problem.

EDIT: I should be interesting reading to see who was/is on the Board of Scytel, SEO, and Diebold and see where they are now.

 

[chapchap70]

This thread started out being about South Carolina. Now it seems that fraud is going on all over. I guess it is safe to assume that if you looked in Minnesota, Colorado, etc. similar shenanigans would be found there as well.

 

[bbwarfield]

dont quote me on the complete line of custody of Diebold after the breakup.... but it does look like scytl is the one who has the lions share of Diebolds intellectual property. Heres the thing.... Es&s use to own the lion share... but were forced by the DOJ to breakup after the fact cause they too had become a monopoly..... now we have scytl... a FOREIGN company.... who even if they reach 100% of voting machines in the US... i dont believe the DOJ can force them to sell it off.... I may be wrong about all this but.... it just doesnt seem right to me

fact is SOuth Carolinas and several other states elections are 100% controlled by a foreign owned scytel

 

[affa]

we need to start documenting this now in a fashion more accessible than almost 1000 internet posts.

i have the domain for it - seems those involved dig the domain name, so we can move forward on that. best case, need tech help from an established web designer.

we also need a revised and extended version of The Man's original document. Liberty/The Man -- do you think you can work together on that? Should we separate SC from the rest? Or focus on it from the larger perspective, and then dig down into individual states within the document? That is, a holistic view of the problem, then differentiate between Caucus and Primary states, finalizing with the overall similarities?

We need to firm up the path forward and start actively working towards it.