Flipping the vote against Ron Paul in South Carolina?

[Liberty1789]

And now...

I know that you cannot wait to see them: the vote flipper on! Pretty brutal at times. Destroys Gingrich or Paul, depending on counties

 

[Danan]

Now that is dedication! =D

Keep up the good work!

 

[Liberty1789]

More vote magic.

And that's it.

Debunk ?

 

[chri5opher]

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[The Man]

Liberty1789, I have 35 Counties in spreadhseets if that would help.
Edit: Looks like you don't need no stinkin spreadsheets!!

 

[Adam West]

Unrefutable Genius! Congratulations guys, you did it.

 

[affa]

Debunk ?

lol. good luck with that, people.

ps - Richland = OMG

 

[chapchap70]

With this so called "alliance" happening, does anyone think the media will claim that part of the agreement was for Paul to "give up" some of his votes to Romney so Romney can win and Paul gets the VP spot?

 

[Mark37snj]

I keep calling Revolution Pac but I can't get through. I get sent right to their voice mail which tells me it is full and to try back later. I did send the info to them the other day in the mail on their website but I have not gotten a confirmation email back from them telling me they got it, if they even bother to do that.

 

[affa]

i'm speechless. amazing work, Liberty.

what do we do now?

In no particular order:

1) Create readable, accessible report with quick synopsis,explanation, counter to debunk attempts (especially focuses on Romney being only benefactor). If The Man's report was the fuse, this report needs to be the dynamite.

2) Website. Website must contain:
a) easy links to raw data, with further links to source for this data. (that is, stored locally w/ links to original)
b) charts, charts, and more charts by state/county/precinct
c) more discussion and debunk rebuttals; the stuff that didn't fit in the report, basically.
d) 'unflipped results' -- that is... what are the REAL results?
e) etc, etc. it's a website, so we're not as limited as a report
f) website must look professional and not homemade.

3) go pro. we need people looking at this, pronto. I'm not sure if this should happen before or after the 'report'. will will likely need funding from chipin, rev-pac... people here can't stop though. this is not something to hand off and forget about; it's too important for that.

4) contact likely allies, like black box voting.

5) go public. there is a chance this will snowball. even if the media is working against paul, the fact that this hits gingrich is huge. a journalist breaking this story (once fully vetted by pros, etc) could conceivably win a Pulitzer. that is a huge incentive to go rogue.

6) go viral. we need charts like Richland with just enough verbiage to describe the problem. Catchy viral headline. Link to website. 'Find out more'. Graphic design of message needs to be neat and tidy, yet transfer enough information to get people to go to website to learn more. Youtube vid explaining the vote fraud step by step.

again, these aren't totally in order, and some overlap. but it's a rough draft of what needs to be done, in my opinion.

With the exception of generally outing this story to the general public, I think the three most important things are:
1) Romney is sole benefactor
2) Gingrich has been attacked as well
3) The actual, unflipped results

 

[affa]

With this so called "alliance" happening, does anyone think the media will claim that part of the agreement was for Paul to "give up" some of his votes to Romney so Romney can win and Paul gets the VP spot?

lol. no. Paul is consistent and trustworthy. That dog don't fly.

 

[Liberty1789]

Just emailed very briefly a few numbers to a good old friend of mine. Actuary by profession, strong statistician. Went from "why do you waste your time..." to "there is an extremely pronounced anomaly here" in just a few minutes. Made me laugh.

 

[Mark37snj]

In no particular order:

1) Create readable, accessible report with quick synopsis,explanation, counter to debunk attempts (especially focuses on Romney being only benefactor). If The Man's report was the fuse, this report needs to be the dynamite.

2) Website. Website must contain:
a) easy links to raw data, with further links to source for this data. (that is, stored locally w/ links to original)
b) charts, charts, and more charts by state/county/precinct
c) more discussion and debunk rebuttals; the stuff that didn't fit in the report, basically.
d) 'unflipped results' -- that is... what are the REAL results?
e) etc, etc. it's a website, so we're not as limited as a report
f) website must look professional and not homemade.

3) go pro. we need people looking at this, pronto. I'm not sure if this should happen before or after the 'report'. will will likely need funding from chipin, rev-pac... people here can't stop though. this is not something to hand off and forget about; it's too important for that.

4) contact likely allies, like black box voting.

5) go public. there is a chance this will snowball. even if the media is working against paul, the fact that this hits gingrich is huge. a journalist breaking this story (once fully vetted by pros, etc) could conceivably win a Pulitzer. that is a huge incentive to go rogue.

6) go viral. we need charts like Richland with just enough verbiage to describe the problem. Catchy viral headline. Link to website. 'Find out more'. Graphic design of message needs to be neat and tidy, yet transfer enough information to get people to go to website to learn more. Youtube vid explaining the vote fraud step by step.

again, these aren't totally in order, and some overlap. but it's a rough draft of what needs to be done, in my opinion.

With the exception of generally outing this story to the general public, I think the three most important things are:
1) Romney is sole benefactor
2) Gingrich has been attacked as well
3) The actual, unflipped results

Good Stuff affa!!! Why do I get the feeling you have been working on this for awhile.

Well there is alot of stuff there so we could start by people stating that they have got skills for a particular task and would like to offer their services.

EDIT: Offhand 1C, 4 and 5 I can volunteer to participate in. And 3 in regards to Chip-In and continuing to try to contact Rev-Pac.

 

[affa]

i have just bought a domain name i think would be excellent. keeping it on the downlow for now, but will tell principle players here if interested (pm me). if you guys like it, it's for the cause.

 

[Danan]

You're right affa, this is Pulitzer-material.

Why do I have to think about a certain guy with the name Ben Swann right know?^^
He was a great help in the past and already reported on the Maine anormalities. This here is far bigger.

This seriously has to go to some professional statisticians as soon as you guys are ready with summing-up everything.

It was mentioned a few times that Kucinich complained about similar problems during his campaign. Given that and also the fact that he and Ron Paul seem to like each other - maybe he should get contacted too once a summarizing report is created. A broader base is always an advantage.

 

[Mark37snj]

You're right affa, this is Pulitzer-material.

Why do I have to think about a certain guy with the name Ben Swann right know?^^
He was a great help in the past and already reported on the Maine anormalities. This here is far bigger.

This seriously has to go to some professional statisticians as soon as you guys are ready with summing-up everything.

It was mentioned a few times that Kucinich complained about similar problems during his campaign. Given that and also the fact that he and Ron Paul seem to like each other - maybe he should get contacted too once a summarizing report is created. A broader base is always an advantage.

Well this is where we are gona need to be very careful. There are political considertions that we can't make, only Paul, in regards to bringing Kucinich in on this. I'm not gona overstep my bounds here cause I believe that this kind of move has potentially big unintended political consequences and only the campaign should make that call. Also, if we get a Pac involved here then I don't think we can get the campaign involved as well. The Pac and the Campaign cannot colloborate at all, so duel funding is a no no. Sure the campaign can talk about it but it can't help us with this if the Pac is involved.

EDIT: I would definately like to hear more discussion regarding Ben Swann. It was brought up before and I'm not sure of what the pros and cons of that path were.

 

[bbwarfield]

http://www.sos.nh.gov/presprim2012/RepSummaryPres.htm
these are the numbers for New Hampshire Primary
http://www.sos.nh.gov/voting machines.htm
These are the precintct (municipalites as they call them since most are towns and only large cities have multiple precincts) that use electronic tabulation (machine readable voting)

If you look at towns that do not use the the machines... they have Ron Paul neck and neck with huntsman and romney.... towns that did? romney pulls off suprising lead totals. Yes Romney won fair and square in a few towns... but not by margins you see in places were the electronic tabulators were used.

 

[affa]

EDIT: I would definately like to hear more discussion regarding Ben Swann. It was brought up before and I'm not sure of what the pros and cons of that path were.

we can't pick a journalist, they can only pick this story.

we're on a public discussion board right now, on a forum known to the media, with the most dynamic and popular thread in ages. (short of flash in the pan debate night threads).

 

[bbwarfield]

https://doe.dos.state.fl.us/voting-systems/pdf/VS_Web_Display_01-27-12.pdf

when going through Florida (which im sure is on someone heres agenda) the above PDF shows wich counties used what systems for what..... notice different machines use different central tabulation places (scytel is the one used in all of south carolina and some of florida) in order to continue to perpetrate the fraud into Florida you may notice differences between the counties in part cause the machines may or may not all be rigged.. if they are all rigged they may be rigged differently.... but I have a feeling you will see a pattern emerge in scytel counties that matches south carolina more than anything else.

Edit: scytel is the counties under the vendor name ES&S

 

[Danan]

Well this is where we are gona need to be very careful. There are political considertions that we can't make, only Paul, in regards to bringing Kucinich in on this. I'm not gona overstep my bounds here cause I believe that this kind of move has potentially big unintended political consequences and only the campaign should make that call. Also, if we get a Pac involved here then I don't think we can get the campaign involved as well. The Pac and the Campaign cannot colloborate at all, so duel funding is a no no. Sure the campaign can talk about it but it can't help us with this if the Pac is involved.

EDIT: I would definately like to hear more discussion regarding Ben Swann. It was brought up before and I'm not sure of what the pros and cons of that path were.

You're right. I didn't want to provoke an overreaction by anyone. That's why I will obviously not take any actions that could hurt this cause by myself and I would urge everyone to do it neither. Everything should at least be discussed here before it will be done.

I just tried to make suggestions to discuss them here at this place - where it belongs to as of now, imho.