Flipping the vote against Ron Paul in South Carolina?

[bcreps85]

Yup, and another interesting note is if we do give Newt a smoking gun and he doesn't use it...

Well, if that were the case we could always try to get Ben Swann or Maddow to do it. Swann is a major ally at this point, and Maddow would do whatever she could to discredit the GOP. In either case, I think we have a way to get it out. Still...I believe Newt would turn into the Newtron bomb over the issue...he's a vindictive asshole - which IMHO is the only reason he's still in this race. He never had a shot.

 

[Mark37snj]

the machines do it themselves..... If candidate a. is within in 5% of the position above it at 277 total votes, switch to there totals. Easy and simple.
So if Newt is at 45% and mit 43% the computer switches it. If Newt is 45% Ron Paul 35% and Romney 30% it would switch Romney and Paul.... If Romney is at 41% Santourm 40% and every one else lower.... nothing happens cause candidate A.... romney.... has the lead position already and no need to switch anything. I would be interested to also see what the flipping percentage is..... and what happens when he is in third with two people directly above him within the percentage... that may give away how the fraud is really set up and show a more obvious human interference rather than just a strange anamoly involving ron paul supporters....

At the moment it is like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams dying on the same July 4th..... weird....... but its quickly looking like 5 or 6 signers of the decleration dying on the same july 4th.... if it holds true.... then it would be like everyone who wasnt a signer dying on july 4th of the same year.

Either its in the code, paper ballots, or in the statistics we are going over, one way or the other they are gona get caught.

 

[Mark37snj]

Well, if that were the case we could always try to get Ben Swann or Maddow to do it. Swann is a major ally at this point, and Maddow would do whatever she could to discredit the GOP. In either case, I think we have a way to get it out. Still...I believe Newt would turn into the Newtron bomb over the issue...he's a vindictive asshole - which IMHO is the only reason he's still in this race. He never had a shot.

Yeah it does appear Newt went rogue. Romneys attacks in Iowa really appeared to tick him off.

 

[bbwarfield]

im more worried about chain of evidence..... if its in the machines... Who programmed them? Wouldnt they get wiped by now? Are they owned or leased by the state party (in this case i believe the party has been duped not just Paul supporters) Were they offsite tabulated? Someone said Diebolds (they have a new name now but it escapes me.... same company just got merged) server farms are not even on US soil. If you were making such a thing wouldnt you tell it to delete code after official upload to the system? I would have

If you ran a test through them would the programmer had made sure the test wouldnt access the same line of code?

Wouldnt they have watched "Man of the Year" and figured out this was a terrible idea?

 

[bbwarfield]

Well, if that were the case we could always try to get Ben Swann or Maddow to do it.

I would love Swann to do it... but I think we gotta let him rest from the really iffy stuff for a bit. I dont want him becoming known as "Crazy Ron's Nephew" on the tv. Maddow could.... she has no dog in this fight... she is entertaining and intelligent.... while she is no fan of Paul.... she isnt a fan of anyof them.


Our best bet is get Newt to drop the bomb... for all of us. He has clout. People will listen. No one dismisses him with "tin foil hat" comments..... just the moon base idea wich many American really want but now realize we cant pay for. Newt needs to press this but we need to make sure we have a chain of evidence leading back to us and showing we knew before he announced. This way we dont get the "me too.... me tooo.... blowback" but the "ya... we knew... but who was gonna listen?"

 

[bcreps85]

Yeah it does appear Newt went rogue. Romneys attacks in Iowa really appeared to tick him off.

"Rogue" is a good way to describe it...I personally don't think he was supposed to stay in this long, but in his own mind I think he sees this as something that he is entitled to. I think both he and Santorum were just supposed to hang around for the early states as "spoilers" to give the media an excuse to cover Ron Paul less in actual coverage and debates until Mitt gained traction. Problem is, that just isn't happening...I think they've lost control.

That isn't necessarily good for us, because I suspect that we are going to see a sharp increase in these statistical anomalies. We really need to work to find out if this is "something" or "nothing", because I expect it to get much much worse before this thing is over.

 

[Mark37snj]

im more worried about chain of evidence..... if its in the machines... Who programmed them? Wouldnt they get wiped by now? Are they owned or leased by the state party (in this case i believe the party has been duped not just Paul supporters) Were they offsite tabulated? Someone said Diebolds (they have a new name now but it escapes me.... same company just got merged) server farms are not even on US soil. If you were making such a thing wouldnt you tell it to delete code after official upload to the system? I would have

If you ran a test through them would the programmer had made sure the test wouldnt access the same line of code?

Wouldnt they have watched "Man of the Year" and figured out this was a terrible idea?

There are alot more qualified people on this forum to answer those questions then me. :o
Perception is Reality. If we convince enough Americans of whats going on with the proff we have/will have it might just be enough to stop this disgrace.

 

[Mark37snj]

"Rogue" is a good way to describe it...I personally don't think he was supposed to stay in this long,

Makes you wonder why Newts casino billionair friend stopped funding him but then decided to continue. Paul was supposed to not be a threat by now.

 

[bcreps85]

There are alot more qualified people on this forum to answer those questions then me. :o
Perception is Reality. If we convince enough Americans of whats going on with the proff we have/will have it might just be enough to stop this disgrace.

These machines have to be programmed before each election, of course, to add the proper candidates. I would imagine that like many infrastructure delivery jobs in the IT field (I am infrastructure delivery for a SAN company), Diebold(or whoever) would have your standard field techs going out and loading firmware onto the boxes and running diagnostics to be sure they are ready for the election. They would be loading something that was essentially given to from the engineering department and would have no idea if there was anything "fishy" lurking in the code. Even if their diagnostics simulated a 5,000 vote race, an algorithm like the one we are talking about can be set to kick in after 10,000 votes...or 15,000 votes, or not at all if the intended candidate is winning etc etc. Basically, it would be VERY easy to be sure that no field diagnostics would catch anything strange.

Presumably that code would still reside on the boxes until some point in the future...so the question becomes what is the chain of custody for these. Do they wipe them immediately, which would be very suspect? Do they leave them in a closet until the next election and then wipe them? Things worth trying to find out. If they are treated any different than paper ballots, then it is criminal negligence IMHO.

 

[Mark37snj]

We have quite a few forum members who are very knowledgable on the voting machines but I suspect they are busy focusing on Maine. I think once Maine is over they will begin tearing into this.

 

[cjm]

Presumably that code would still reside on the boxes until some point in the future

Unless voting machine updates are done by replacing the ROM, they are probably written to read-write storage. If the software can write to that storage, it can edit or delete itself.

 

[bbwarfield]

http://americanresearchgroup.com/moe2.html for those who want to see just how improbable these numbers really are... it takes the percentages of a vote and calculates the probability of them switching positions.

I know im bumping this topic alot.... probably cause I know the daughter of the guy who is putting out these numbers.... but I worked in an archives department and the head of the department taught statistics so we always were getting corrected on how we were crunching numbers. So I always enjoy looking at the indepth number analysis. And these are just plain strange. For it to be fraud i wanna see one of these machines taken apart. But right now..... This would be in every statistics textbook in the country of how strange it coud get.

 

[affa]

Seriously, can anybody think of a logical explanation to explain all of this?

Well, that's easy. Voter fraud through the established and well documented technique of vote flipping.

 

[bbwarfield]

another concern... i think they save the memory cards and that is all.... but the memory cards are worthless cause the machine writes to them anyway...... aaaaaarrrrgggggghhhhhhh .... i use to think that people were crazy when it came to electronic voting... now I know the truth

 

[chris41336]

Ok. I have an email all typed up to the head of the statistics department at my university with this PDF attached. I need to know whether you guys think it is worth it or prudent to ask what she thinks before I send it. I don't want to seem crazy here.

 

[Paul Fan]

The analysis for Greenville county has been uploaded to the Daily Paul thread. Same flipping seen. Also, somone has done two 2008 counties where it looks like Romney was switched with Huckabee.

 

[phill4paul]

Ok. I have an email all typed up to the head of the statistics department at my university with this PDF attached. I need to know whether you guys think it is worth it or prudent to ask what she thinks before I send it. I don't want to seem crazy here.

I would ask for the help first. Tell her you have what you believe to be a statistical anomaly and was wondering if she would care to look at it and explain it to you.

 

[chris41336]

I would ask for the help first. Tell her you have what you believe to be a statistical anomaly and was wondering if she would care to look at it and explain it to you.

I figured I'd get more attention if I flat out said I think I may have evidence of fraud in the US elections using statistics. You think I should just ask a general help first?

 

[affa]

i use to think that people were crazy when it came to electronic voting... now I know the truth

welcome to the revolution.

 

[bbwarfield]

We would need to find a "not-romney" flip to even begin to NOT an actual anamoly.... right now its bordeline fraud the more i try to think of ways to make sense of this...... aanyone found were this is true?