Flipping the vote against Ron Paul in South Carolina?

I have been following this thread from the day it was created and now we are close to 100th page.
First I want to thanks all of you who contributed and are doing an amazing work.
Second and more important now is that it is time to move onto next step. Compile all data and all findings in 1 document (preferably google document so everyone can download it and analyze it). Liberty1789, The Man etc. This is your job :D. Get on chat and arrange this.
Third post it in a new thread for all to try to find mistakes and debunk.
Forthy send it to professionals; contact RevPac and others and prepare to release it to media and public.


I know that we must be careful but time is not on our side.
 
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unfortunately for most people on this forum..... i am not "reasonable" :rolleyes:

And I can see where a reasonable person can come to that conclusion. ;)

Loosely related to unreasonableness, seeing as we're nearing 1000 posts, if this thread falls short, I'm going to find the lorem ipsum generator for demographics and methodology and just post until we break the thousand mark.
 
http://cpctcss.org/Mission.html according to this they may be short on funding and credibility.... but they are on our side... and there polls were taken (according to them) exactly for people like us (by us i mean liberty and the man) to prove them right about election fraud
 
well, given that we're all pretty confident this is a blatant case of election fraud, that tells us many things:

1) we do go out and vote
2) Romney is being rejected wholesale by the people
3) Ron Paul is doing quite well, doesn't have a 'ceiling'
4) Gingrich and Santorum are either 'in the know' or will be similarly furious when this is outed
5) as many of us suspected, there is widespread election fraud in the US

I mean, this really just rewrites this election cycle.
 
wow.... no wonder we cant get honest exit poll data. Were you aware its a monopoly? There is only one company that does exit polls used by all networks and very large percentage of there associated newspapers (ap supplies for newspapers in most cases and they only recieve exit polls from this company)

Edison Research

there ARE no other exit poll companies
 
I am not the best person to author the final report. It has to originate from a source independent of me and the first report. I will help facilitate it but the author's credentials should demand credibility. So far, the analyst here in SC hasn't confirmed that he is going to participate. His credentials are impressive though. Liberty1789 is a better candidate than me.
Liberty, the Man, inter alia:

I know you guys are working hard and doing an amazing job, but how long do you think before we can get a 'final', single document which we can then send to professionals and whoever else for vetting? I assume once this step is completed (assuming no one is able to debunk your work so to speak) we can then forward this to journalists to take this to the next level.
 
So file fucking charges already!

Senator Thomas Jordan: And you bring me rumors and conjecture.
Ben Marco: I started with nightmares. Rumors, conjectures, that's a giant leap forward.

wish i could find the clip but this quote from manchurian candidate came to mind ; )
 
Once we get the professional statistical study done in America with a reputable company we can send it to most countries, every major news outlet worldwide, every House of Representative, Senators, Governer, state Attorney General, universities, etc. But I would strongly advise against some foreign entity being responsible for breaking this. It would instantly cloud the issue, taint it, heck Romeny will probably use it to help him win the election by saying foreign interests are trying to stop him. They have already blasted Super-Pacs saying they leave the door open for foreign interests to influence/buy our elections, the MSM will pump this nite and day especially if its a country that is communist or has any issues. They would probably link it to their opposition of war against Iran. This is a tempest in a tea cup.

My point wasn't that they should break it, but rather that this is a news matter that is a major international story. Election improprieties are a very big deal in the international community, as they serve to delegitimize a government. It would not surprise me in the slightest if this was basically ignored in the United States for a few weeks, other than Ben Swann and maybe some stuff on Rachel Maddow, Democracy Now, and so forth, while it is being covered heavily in places like the Middle East, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, and so forth.

I mentioned China and Russia as two countries that are mostly independent from U.S. global hegemony, and have a large number of very skilled mathematicians. If our concerns are valid, they could put together an exhaustive report on this topic that could head off every possible objection. But if the mention of those two countries sparks any concern, then there are many outlets for this.
 
My point wasn't that they should break it, but rather that this is a news matter that is a major international story. Election improprieties are a very big deal in the international community, as they serve to delegitimize a government. It would not surprise me in the slightest if this was basically ignored in the United States for a few weeks, other than Ben Swann and maybe some stuff on Rachel Maddow, Democracy Now, and so forth, while it is being covered heavily in places like the Middle East, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, and so forth.

I mentioned China and Russia as two countries that are mostly independent from U.S. global hegemony, and have a large number of very skilled mathematicians. If our concerns are valid, they could put together an exhaustive report on this topic that could head off every possible objection. But if the mention of those two countries sparks any concern, then there are many outlets for this.

I think were on the same page, just making different points. The international community may have a role to play but it should be a supporting role not a lead role. Their participation will help but I personally prefer America takes care of her own business herself if possible. Releasing the information here first will serve several purposes. It will show us who is definately on our side. It's one thing to tow the party line, it's another thing to remain silent or participate in a coverup of a crime of this magnitude. If the media ignores it, then when it does finally break and Americans finally get full wind of this it will further serve to increase their outrage to an appropriate level. This is where the international community would help. The MSM is a serious problem in this country. If they ignore and suppress a story of this magnitude the backlash against the MSM for participating in this voter fraud and coverup will help us in dealing with them. Giving them enough rope to hang themselves is an appropriate metaphor. The MSM, our Goverment, politicians, law enforcement, all will be outed and exposed to the public if they don't support us.
 
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I am not the best person to author the final report. It has to originate from a source independent of me and the first report. I will help facilitate it but the author's credentials should demand credibility. So far, the analyst here in SC hasn't confirmed that he is going to participate. His credentials are impressive though. Liberty1789 is a better candidate than me.

We need to determine who is writing this report else we risk losing momentum.
 
WOW!!!!! i have been a frequent everyday visitor of ron paul forums for the last 6 months, and i have always skipped over this thread simply because of the title of it.... i guess i was tired of all the vote fraud stuff with just heresay even though i think we ALL know vote fraud is taking place... Boy oh boy am i glad i clicked on this thread last night. I stayed up until 3 a.m. reading every post in this thread!! although i have no idea about stats, it sure does seem that liberty and the man surely know what the heck they are talking about!!! GREAT WORK EVERYONE!!!!! i cant wait to see what happens with this!!!!!
 
WOW!!!!! i have been a frequent everyday visitor of ron paul forums for the last 6 months, and i have always skipped over this thread simply because of the title of it.... i guess i was tired of all the vote fraud stuff with just heresay even though i think we ALL know vote fraud is taking place... Boy oh boy am i glad i clicked on this thread last night. I stayed up until 3 a.m. reading every post in this thread!! although i have no idea about stats, it sure does seem that liberty and the man surely know what the heck they are talking about!!! GREAT WORK EVERYONE!!!!! i cant wait to see what happens with this!!!!!

+rep for being a late comer and still reading the whole thing!
 
WOW!!!!! i have been a frequent everyday visitor of ron paul forums for the last 6 months, and i have always skipped over this thread simply because of the title of it.... i guess i was tired of all the vote fraud stuff with just heresay even though i think we ALL know vote fraud is taking place... Boy oh boy am i glad i clicked on this thread last night. I stayed up until 3 a.m. reading every post in this thread!! although i have no idea about stats, it sure does seem that liberty and the man surely know what the heck they are talking about!!! GREAT WORK EVERYONE!!!!! i cant wait to see what happens with this!!!!!

awesome! i do think this thread is so long at this point it would be offputting to those who didn't start reading it early. which is why i think we're ready for a new report to consolidate all findings, at which point we can start a new thread.
 
I've been putting off posting to this thread, since I don't have the ability to do any analysis myself, but I've been reading it incessantly!

I really think it's important to get this out as soon as possible, given the fact that there is only another week before Super Tuesday. Any third party verification will also take time, and then assuming there is a story (which there certainly seems to be!), it will take time to break. Has there been any contact with a PAC yet, or anyone that can take this to the next level? It sounds like there are a couple professionals who "might be interested" but it seems like this is something that will need to be paid for, and not done just because it is interesting.

Thanks to everyone who contributed!
 
Why don't we ask the Webmaster (or whoever has the capability) to put up an add on this site entitled "Calling all professional Mathematical/Statistical Analysts! In the name of the Republic and Ron Paul We need your Help NOW!"? The ad could direct any interested person to a streamlined version of this thread with only the relevant mathematical posts showing. This could spawn more involvement from the right people and could expedite one's learning curve. We could archive all of the spreadsheets from Liberty1789 and others for anyone to download.
 
We need to determine who is writing this report else we risk losing momentum.

Perhaps someone could start a new thread calling all R.P.F. forum members to battle stations! There is a wealth of talent and knowleadge out there waiting to be tapped. The hard work has been done, let's not allow things to come to a grinding halt when the chalice is almost within our grasp. Don't forget, the clock is ticking. There is no time to waste...
 
Absolute mathematical proof - Step 4a

This is different from the previous work. The following argument is mathematically stronger than the previous ones by several orders of magnitude.

Counting votes in a ballot is like taking marbles fron an urn until you've got them all out. Take an urn with 10 marbles, 5 reds 5 blues. You draw the 1st: probability if it being red? 50% Let' say it is red. Pick the second. Probability of being red? 4 reds left in there, so you know it is now 4 chances out of 9.

Now put a 10,000 marbles in there, 1/2 reds 1/2 blues. Pick one. Now make a chart of the cumulative % of the drawn balls that are red. Your first data point on the chart will be 0% or 100%. Draw the second ball. The 2nd data point will be 100% (drawn 2 reds), 50% (1 red, 1 blue) or 0% (no reds). As you know that your final result is 50%, the line will oscillate up and down randomly but rapidly converge towards 50%, something like this:

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The mathematical law describing this process is call hypergeometric. It describes in particular the statistics of partial ballot counting! And if you tell me that Romney has got 50% of the votes in that ballot, I can tell you that he needs to be real close that 50% by the time we have counted 90% of the votes, a bit less close at 80%, etc... Poll science shows that 10/20% might suffice for the oscillator to turn into a complete flat line. But maths allow another nice trick as well. If you tell me after 25% of the votes counted what Romney's score is, I can actually tell you the probability that he will get to a score of 50% at the end of the vote tally. Isn't hypergeometry nifty?

As we have seen, Romney's lines do not converge flatly towards the final result. It does not everytime the ballot is relevent to the final outcome. His score starts by oscillating and flattening but then shoots up in a straight line in dozens of counties. That is mathematically impossible.

Let's look at the numbers of Allendale County, SC. 311 votes.

Here is a chart you are now familiar with: Candidate score vs Cumulative votes sorted by ascending vote tally

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Normal patterns, nothing special apparently. Now the hypergeometric distribution allows me to caluclate the following probabilities:

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What does it say? Take Santorum. His final score is 12%. Don't forget: this is not an estimate, it is actual. His cumulative score MUST get there. People in Fairfax No 1 are known for their superior political wisdom. Santorum gets no vote. So 23 votes have been cast. Santorum has only 311-23 votes left to go from his current 0% to 12%. Probabilitity of him getting 0% out of 23 votes cast? Hypergeometry says 5%. But he does very well in the Martin precinct (guys, get a grip, his a fake). His cumulated share of votes goes back to 10%, close to his final score of 12%. The oscillator has sent him close to the final target and the probability of that is high: now 39%. Etc... Gingrich does well early, so he then needs very little to reach his final 52%. The number reflect that. Paul was looking good all the way but is trashed in Fairfax No 2. His odds from reaching the final 7% fall suddenly from 77% to 7%. Romney needed a big last precinct to end up 29%, which he got.

So expect big volatility in the numbers as candidates outperform/underperform locally and oscillate before reaching their final score.

If we plot the last table, we obtain that cute doodle:

X axis cumulative vote, Y axis Probability of having the score X or lower.

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When a Y value is at 50%, it mean that the oscillator is currently aligned with the final score. So expect to go across that line frequently. In a real world.

Ok, more example of untampered counties.

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Now. Think, Winnie, think. What does it mean to be at 0%. It means that your interim cumulative score is so low that you have no chance to get back up to the final result. On the charts which will follow, 0% is always something like 0.4%, or 0.002%, or 0.0000000000000000001%. Take this one.

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VOTE FLIPPER ON ALERT !!!

How do I know? Notice a difference with the previous charts? I guessed so. What are the odds when Romney is at 27% with 23% of the votes counted to end up where he did, at 32%? Hypergeometry, a law of the universe, says: 1 out of 267,385,153.

Checkmate.

Copy, paste, disseminate. Debunk, but good luck with that one. You'll need it.

(To be continued in Step 4b)
 
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