Flipping the vote against Ron Paul in South Carolina?

One more thing. Lets assume that this spreadsheet is correct. What about an exit poll? Exit poll shows almost the same results as official counts.
 
Well considering that they just freaking stole a caucus (and some of us thought that was beyond them) anything is possible.
 
jmdrake said:
Well considering that they just freaking stole a caucus (and some of us thought that was beyond them) anything is possible.
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Exactly, fixing a poll is childs play these days.

EDIT: Plus Romney was in a steep decline just before the election according to RCP poll and it takes a few days for them to catch up so he could have dropped even further. Romney was ahead of Paul by 14.7 points with Romney in steep decline and Paul slowly rising.

EDIT 2.0: In that same poll Gingrich dropped 17.3 points in 4 days, man when those SC change their minds they really move en mass.

EDIT 3.0: RCP final numbers had Gingrich at +5.0, but the actual was +12.5, they were off by 7.5
 
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EaSy said:
One more thing. Lets assume that this spreadsheet is correct. What about an exit poll? Exit poll shows almost the same results as official counts.
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Exit polls are usually small samples, which means a higher margin of error. There are actually times during our elections where exit polls have been pretty far off, which signifies vote fraud, but in the end we just change those polls to match the "official result". Still, it's generally people in the media conducting exit polls...and they clearly have a bias. Can we actually trust them?
 
Guys, as a scientist I have to tell you that this is pretty eerily similar to fixing results in a lab. You fix it in a way that you are least likely to get caught, but other scientists, always armed with comparison graphs and facts, can tear it down.

We HAVE HAVE HAVE to get this kind of stuff out there. Not just for Paul, but for the future of America and of the human race.
 
chris41336 said:
Guys, as a scientist I have to tell you that this is pretty eerily similar to fixing results in a lab. You fix it in a way that you are least likely to get caught, but other scientists, always armed with comparison graphs and facts, can tear it down.

We HAVE HAVE HAVE to get this kind of stuff out there. Not just for Paul, but for the future of America and of the human race.
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One of my former bosses, a ph.D Biochemist, showed me a book about how to lie with statistics, LOL, thats some crazy $hit. He showed me two graphs for the same assay, same data, I ran and they looked exactly opposite.
 
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Mark37snj said:
One of my former bosses, a ph.D Biochemist, showed me a book about how to lie with statistics, LOL, thats some crazy $hit. He showed me two graphs for the same assay, same data, I ran and they looked exactly opposite.
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The saddest part is that lying with statistics is so easy because people are so unlikely to challenge "hard numbers."
 
If the votes really were flipped then Anderson County would not be the only county affected. There should be more tests run on other counties, and if there is a pattern of similar results then there might be something in it.
 
chris41336 said:
Guys, as a scientist I have to tell you that this is pretty eerily similar to fixing results in a lab. You fix it in a way that you are least likely to get caught, but other scientists, always armed with comparison graphs and facts, can tear it down.

We HAVE HAVE HAVE to get this kind of stuff out there. Not just for Paul, but for the future of America and of the human race.
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As an aspiring scientist, I think you and I would agree that one trial proves nothing. There needs to be more analysis done on other counties to see if there are similarities. Believe me, I want this to be true as much as anybody, but we need hard evidence before jumping to any conclusions.
 
SamuraisWisdom said:
As an aspiring scientist, I think you and I would agree that one trial proves nothing. There needs to be more analysis done on other counties to see if there are similarities. Believe me, I want this to be true as much as anybody, but we need hard evidence before jumping to any conclusions.
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Read the second paragraph. He states that to keep this brief he is just gona show the results for one county, it appears he has others.
 
SamuraisWisdom said:
As an aspiring scientist, I think you and I would agree that one trial proves nothing. There needs to be more analysis done on other counties to see if there are similarities. Believe me, I want this to be true as much as anybody, but we need hard evidence before jumping to any conclusions.
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You are absolutely right.

But without getting this out there, nobody will take the time to keep looking into it. You know damn well if tis true that there is alot at stake to making sure that NOBODY else looks into this.
 
And don't we have this South Carolina Senator...oh whats his name...oh yeah...Tom Davis who endorsed Ron Paul on our side? :D
I would say for everyone to email this to him but that would crash his server. But he will get wind of it Im sure.
 
I have run the same analysis on Iowa (all precincts together). Similar patterns are visible and would indicate votes going from Paul, Bachman and Perry to Romney. Gingrich and Santorum unaffected by precinct size.

I have run Washoe County, NV. Same pattern, only from Paul to Romney. Gingrich and Santorum unaffected by precinct size.

Run Nye County, NV, won by Paul. No one affected by precinct size.

I cannot get my head around this, to be honest. Is there another possible explanation than the sinister one? Please, tell me there is one.
 
Mark37snj said:
Read the second paragraph. He states that to keep this brief he is just gona show the results for one county, it appears he has others.
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Well lets see it then. As it has been mentioned showing just one county does nothing. We came in 90000 votes behind Romney.
 
Liberty1789 said:
I have run the same analysis on Iowa (all precincts together). Similar patterns are visible and would indicate votes going from Paul, Bachman and Perry to Romney. Gingrich and Santorum unaffected by precinct size.

I have run Washoe County, NV. Same pattern, only from Paul to Romney. Gingrich and Santorum unaffected by precinct size.

Run Nye County, NV, won by Paul. No one affected by precinct size.

I cannot get my head around this, to be honest. Is there another possible explanation than the sinister one? Please, tell me there is one.
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It would be great if you could post the Excel files at some point, so people could verify and analyze your work. We need to stay on this, figure out as many of the contests that have happened so far as we can, and decide what to do with it. The most important thing right now is to keep investigating and get some of the statistical types on here to chime in and see if there are any other logical explanations. My main hitch is that we seem to have 2 candidates that are "static" and never affected by whatever this oddity is...to me that is very telling. One comparison I would find interesting is to see if this same thing holds true in contests where there was ballot voting vs contests where there was electronic voting...that could be the most damning part of all.

I've been thinking on it since I read the original document and have not come up with any good explanations, other than the obvious, as of yet.
 
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FrancisMarion said:
Well lets see it then. As it has been mentioned showing just one county does nothing. We came in 90000 votes behind Romney.
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He has already met with the SCGOP Chairman and will meet again next Wendesday. He doesn't say when he is gona release more data.
 
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