They will. But what benifit comes from local Boston coverage?
NH is our strongest state without a blimp. We need to get the benifit in the weaker states of SC/FL where local coverage would help a whole lot more.
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They will. But what benifit comes from local Boston coverage?
NH is our strongest state without a blimp. We need to get the benifit in the weaker states of SC/FL where local coverage would help a whole lot more.
Southern NH has highest population density of state; border is only about 30 miles from Boston; people in that part of NH watch Boston media and are fans of Boston sports teams.
Blimp presence in Boston reinforces the NH first-in nation primary which is hugely influential on results for the next states and national stature; it is consistent with the military principle of concentration of force. Think synergism.
True. Although some people say Bush lost the general election.
In any case, ceterus paribus a strong result in NH helps SC/FL and a weaker one hurts.
Finally, you cannot extrapolate from the results of a single election that the NH results have no meaning.
McCain' strong NH results in 2000 impelled some very nasty Rove-inspired push polling which killed him in SC/FL
We are going to have a strong showing in NH without the blimp. Even the MSM is starting to admit to that.
I didn't extrapolate that the results have no meaning. Likewise you can't extrapolate that a blimp in Boston will have meaning. It's a matter of probibilties.
The probibility of having a greater impact in SC is certainly greater with the blimp over-exposure there than even a NH win would provide. Even after a win, you can't use that to encourage non-registered Republicans. That deadline has past. Now you are relying on that win influencing the registered base which is known to be pro-Bush. I think you will find that a hard sell. Going there first and providing state wide coverage is a very effective way to communicate directly to the voting audience. Quite posibly convert many in the base. And they have friends.
Nobody ever mentioned it, but I still love the idea of toys being sent by the grasroots to meetup groups(realized the campaign can't be involved) nearby the landing sites, and hand them out to parents and children who visit the blimp. What an incredible publicity generator and marketing tool. Not to mention, easy.
Also, what make you think that the current crop isn't capable of the same dirty pool Rove used? We can argue on net all day about how Paul isn't an isolationist, but does the average base voter in SC form his opinion from us? Probably not. Took us a while and McCain thankfully using it in the debate to sqaush that bug.
Actually that is all the more reason to do a preemptive strike on SC/FL so they can't.
It has been days and I believe I have defended my position well.
Could we please talk about what is best for getting Ron Paul elected and put the most effective plan into action?
The blimp will fly. Please can we use it most effectively?
Pretty please?
Could we please talk about what is best for getting Ron Paul elected and put the most effective plan into action?
The blimp will fly. Please can we use it most effectively?
Pretty please?
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Generally, in the advertising world, SPONSORS get to decide what message (that, after all, they are paying for) they promote on which medium. For example, When Hallmark cards sponsors their TV show, they get to decide the content of their own ads. Also, as a side note, they avoid polling their competitors for advice.
Have you changed your mind and become a sponsor at this point? If not, I respectfully submit that you have less credibility in this regard than people who have chosen to make a financial committment. (In case you're wondering: yes, I am one of many sponsors).
You say that you have "defended your position well". My take is subtly different: that you have relentlessly promoted an agenda (skipping NH and Boston entirely, to use the blimp exclusively in SC/FL) that is contrary to the basic logic, also defended well by its supporters, that the blimp can be used well to synergistically support the Dec.16 event in Boston and the first-in nation critically important NH primary.
When you have to resort to, "you haven't paid so shut up" when talking about a grassroots project, you only show that it isn't a grassroots project.
Your take, "that (I) have relentlessly promoted an agenda (skipping NH and Boston entirely, to use the blimp exclusively in SC/FL) that is contrary to the basic logic", demonstrates my point. There IS NO logic being applied to going to Boston/NH. Synergistically? Where is the logic? It's fluff talk. I have a problem doing that. That is why I support RP and not the others.
If you go back and read my post carefully, I told you why actual sponsors have more standing to influence the venue of a message. I provided the analogy of Hallmark's sponsorship of their TV show.
Face it, you think you've defended your position well, but last time I looked the first destination is still NH. The lead organizer actually moved his home from Miami to NH for the project.
Maybe you should declare "Mission Accomplished!" for your "well defended" position. My advice: declare victory and go home.
Great idea. I will do that.
When I first started this thread it was still the old RPBlimp site asking for grassroots help. I came, I offered. Overnight it turned into a centrally managed, fiscally bloated, for profit company operation.
You attack long-time RP supports for being "new" somehow unable to contemplate that by asking them to come here it might make them new. You have alienate the grassroots base like myself and donations are flat-lining.
It is obvious now that Klyman is on a mission to promote himself. That is why he moved BACK to NH. You have put your full faith in someone who has never even voted before because he promises glitz and glamour. You can fund his joy ride of self-promotion to Boston, I will not.
I will not post here anymore so as not to hurt your fragile egos. I hope it goes well if only for the sake of Ron Paul. If this turns into the Deaniacs orange hats and there is voter blowback in NH, it will be a tremendous shame. If we failed to get anywhere in SC and FL, even worse.
This entire thing has turned into the antitesis of a Ron Paul grassroots project.
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As a native NC'r, I understand taking the blimp north and not going to Raleigh first. The population counts in the Hampton Roads area alone speak towards that direction. Go to DC, the NH area and do the tea party (weather permitting of course) I don't think that more than a few days, maybe a week should be spent in NH. Then head back down toward the southern states. Go through Richmond, down to Raleigh, Greensboro, and Charlotte. Then do the SC route previously posted, but in reverse! THen down to FL, by way of Charleston, Savanna, Jacksonville. Iowa is important, but "isolated" in terms of other early primaries, except Michigan--can't see going there in Dec-Jan at all imho. We will get more donations making this run in VA, DC, MD, NH and then will be able to spend time in SC and FL, which are important. If you want a blimp in Iowa or in the west, work on it. I think there is a thread about a west coast blimp. If you want it work for it.
As a native NC'r, I understand taking the blimp north and not going to Raleigh first. The population counts in the Hampton Roads area alone speak towards that direction. Go to DC, the NH area and do the tea party (weather permitting of course) I don't think that more than a few days, maybe a week should be spent in NH. Then head back down toward the southern states. Go through Richmond, down to Raleigh, Greensboro, and Charlotte. Then do the SC route previously posted, but in reverse! THen down to FL, by way of Charleston, Savanna, Jacksonville. Iowa is important, but "isolated" in terms of other early primaries, except Michigan--can't see going there in Dec-Jan at all imho. We will get more donations making this run in VA, DC, MD, NH and then will be able to spend time in SC and FL, which are important. If you want a blimp in Iowa or in the west, work on it. I think there is a thread about a west coast blimp. If you want it work for it.
No one ever answered a major question I had. Why skip over all the cities on the East coast? Philadelphia is on the way from DC to NY, and areas like Delaware and Connecticut fall right on that path.
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Well TCrage, you were right all along. I just wanted to thank you again for thinking this through so thorougly, so long ago. If people would only listen to reason sooner, rather than later so much grief would be spared. This will be the most cost effective use of this blimp, even if it is only happening because they have no choice.
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I can't say that it matches exactly. But I am under the impression that the blimp will now be focusing on South Carolina with most of its flight time, and as TCrage suggested, weather up North is not likely to be blimp friendly this time of year. I only meant to suggest that he was right on many points and the research he did concerning population density and possible route was well founded and valuable. I also thought it might be good to bring this thread closer to the top in case those whom it may concern might be able to make use of the info.
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