First-ever private border wall built in New Mexico

[Ender]

And, yet, they work for less wage, bringing down the average wage for American citizen workers while receiving welfare. I've seen whole trades destroyed by illegal trespassers. Drywall is one of those. In an area I worked a first generation, DACA, took advantage of his heritage, his language skills, his welfare (free education, parents in Section 8 because they were his legal guardians, Food, etc.) and destroyed the livelihoods of 40 American workers and their families. By being able to underbid on every job by using illegal labor.

Get out of the fuckin' matrix, Bro.

Get rid of incentives- let people hire who they wish & pay what they wish- real capitalism, free trade- & watch everyone's lifestyle improve..

 

[nikcers]

Get out of the $#@!in' matrix, Bro.

Get rid of incentives- let people hire who they wish & pay what they wish- real capitalism, free trade- & watch everyone's lifestyle improve..

How does that fix their broken governmental system that gives them an incentive to come here? That's what they tell me when I talk to them, they come here because their government is corrupt. The police shot up a school down there and they covered it up.

 

[nikcers]

Please tell me how we can get rid of this incentive to come here in a non interventionist way?

TIXTLA, Mexico — As the bullets crackled in the air and police bundled students into the backs of police cars, Eusebio ran with all his strength.

Shots were being fired at those trying to escape, but Eusebio was afraid of being taken by the officers, who were accompanied by men in plainclothes with rifles.

“It was terrifying but I just wanted to get away. I had a bad feeling about these police,” says Eusebio, a 19-year-old student at a university for rural schoolteachers in Tixtla, in southern Guerrero state.

That feeling likely saved Eusebio’s life. On Sunday, Guerrero State Prosecutor Iñaky Blanco said alleged drug cartel assassins confessed they’d worked with police to murder detained students late last month. The suspects also led officials from the prosecutor's office to pits where 28 charred bodies were found.

Prosecutors are comparing the DNA of the victims with that of families of 43 students who went missing during the shooting on Sept. 26 in the town of Iguala.

The 19-year-old student described his fight for survival to GlobalPostduring an interview at his university. Eusebio is just a nickname. He asked that his real name not be published because he fears repercussions from what he says is a corrupt web of police and narco traffickers.

His account is supported by state officials who have arrested more than 20 police officers and alleged cartel members in connection with the shooting.

The revelations of such a terrible case of violence and corruption are a major embarrassment for President Enrique Peña Nieto, who has been trying to overhaul Mexico’s image from one of gangster bloodshed to one of reform and investment.

"None of us were armed"

 

[enhanced_deficit]

^ its no wonder why trump can only find swampers to take positions on his staff. Who the fk would want to work for that guy?

Timing probably just coincidence that news of Bannon supported Roy Moore's criticism of MAGA and Bannon's Wall success headlines are surfacing around same time.
There is no proof that Steve Bannon is trolling MAGA with this Wall project to use against him in 2020 as a 'success story' to support ultra-conservative Republicans like Roy Moore against GOP establishment but it's an interesting development.



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GOP base rockstar whose hardcore right wing influence at Brietbart may have caused some anti-MAGA headlines earlier is back in news... for the cause of the Wall funding:

Steve Bannon coming to Cincinnati to rally for a wall along the Mexican border

March 7, 2019

Here's what the nation's busiest Border Patrol sector along the U.S./Mexico border looks like in Texas. Courtney M Sacco, Corpus Christi Caller-Times

Steve Bannon will travel next week to Cincinnati to rally and raise money for a wall on private land along the border with Mexico.

Steve Bannon (L), former adviser to President Trump, is joined by Brian Kolfage, founder of 'We Build The Wall,' and former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Koback, during a public discussion of border issues in Green Valley Friday night. (Photo: Alexis Egeland)

Bannon, a former chief strategist for President Donald Trump and controversial editor of Breitbart.com, will join other conservative celebrities for a town hall downtown on March 12 organized by the non-profit We Build The Wall.
Also appearing at the event in the Hilton Netherland Plaza on Fifth Street will be the cowboy-hatted, pro-Trump former Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke; former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach and the founder of We Build The Wall, Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage.
We Build The Wall organizers chose Cincinnati as the second stop on the tour despite 1,400 miles separating the Mexican border and Cincinnati. The first rally was held Feb. 8 in Tucson.

Published 8 hours ago

Roy Moore says Trump 'doesn't control who votes': Alabamians are 'smarter than that'

By Sam Dorman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roy-moore-trump-alabama-election

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Bannon at Moore rally: 'Special place in hell for Republicans who should know better'

By Olivia Beavers - 12/11/17

Steve Bannon: "There's a special place in hell for Republicans who" don't support Roy Moore. #alsen #alpolitics pic.twitter.com/p2NnbGSMh5
— American Bridge (@American_Bridge) December 12, 2017
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...-for-republicans-who-dont-support-trump-moore

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh bull$#@!!

Jules is absolutely right about this.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I agree that welfare may not be the REASON they pack their stuff and head over, but it is largely the biggest problem associated with them coming, because it is driving up the debt and creates dependency once they are here.

I’d also point out that they are probably not coming here explicitly to change the US into a communist state as some posters seem intent on.

If there is no welfare or handouts, it would be hard to compile a list of ways that their immigration actually effects your pocketbook or mine. Probably the biggest issue would be like what Phil brings up, a legitimate concern, they could be driving down labor costs in trades that previously used to provide decent wages to professionals such as himself. But at least the burden wouldn’t be resting on taxpayers to provide healthcare and education and other living benefits to these people and their families.

A couple suggestions I’d propose if anyone cared- end giving citizenship rights to people just for being born here. If both parents are not US citizens, their offspring are not either.

If we must have policies in place to not turn away people for healthcare if they cannot afford it, find a way to pass the expense of providing a poor immigrant’s healthcare bill back to the country of origin, or garnish future wages. Difficult to navigate topic here, I know. I do not support the idea that healthcare should be provided free for illegal immigrants. They came here to work, let their money pay for their costs.

I know many “illegals.” They overstay their visa, but set down roots and have a kid in school, get comfortable just working and sending money out of the country. There is no incentive to leave once their allowed term is up. The policies should prevent them from being able to set down roots as a non citizen.

Unfortunately that’s not the case.

A wall stops 0% of those problems.

They come here for the wealth and they are raised to want government to "share" it with them and they are willing to vote illegally to get it.
A wall stops many of them from coming here and voting illegally and having children who are given citizenship under current policies who grow up and vote communist.
A wall stops many of them from coming here and using our healthcare system and claiming they can't afford it.
Trump is doing what he can about welfare and Visa overstays but without Congress he is limited, he has talked about reinterpreting the law about anchor babies and I would like him to go ahead and try but we all know the courts would block him and it would end up being a coin flip when it got to SCOTUS.

A wall and/or massively increased patrols is simply the best he can do right now and it will help. (And thanks to the idiotic laws Congress won't change increased patrols will just result in catch and release but a wall will keep them from getting in at all)

 

[Swordsmyth]

Get out of the $#@!in' matrix, Bro.

Get rid of incentives- let people hire who they wish & pay what they wish- real capitalism, free trade- & watch everyone's lifestyle improve..

Watch them turn the US into a communist hellhole.

 

[asurfaholic]

They come here for the wealth and they are raised to want government to "share" it with them and they are willing to vote illegally to get it.
A wall stops many of them from coming here and voting illegally and having children who are given citizenship under current policies who grow up and vote communist.
A wall stops many of them from coming here and using our healthcare system and claiming they can't afford it.
Trump is doing what he can about welfare and Visa overstays but without Congress he is limited, he has talked about reinterpreting the law about anchor babies and I would like him to go ahead and try but we all know the courts would block him and it would end up being a coin flip when it got to SCOTUS.

A wall and/or massively increased patrols is simply the best he can do right now and it will help. (And thanks to the idiotic laws Congress won't change increased patrols will just result in catch and release but a wall will keep them from getting in at all)

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

They are not raised to expect the government to share wealth with them. They want to work for what they have and are frugal and rarely materialistic. Compare that to your typical American. Go walk around Walmart and tell me that Mexicans are the lazy bums. I’m beginning to realize you are actually just racist and incapable of human empathy. You aren’t against the socialist policies, you just hate the idea that a Little brown guy might get his hand in the cookie jar. Build a wall and we are still left with the same problems. I’ll bet there will be no significant reduction in the welfare drain on this country.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

They are not raised to expect the government to share wealth with them. They want to work for what they have and are frugal and rarely materialistic. Compare that to your typical American. Go walk around Walmart and tell me that Mexicans are the lazy bums. I’m beginning to realize you are actually just racist and incapable of human empathy. You aren’t against the socialist policies, you just hate the idea that a Little brown guy might get his hand in the cookie jar. Build a wall and we are still left with the same problems. I’ll bet there will be no significant reduction in the welfare drain on this country.

I know plenty and it isn't just Mexicans, it's European socialist immigrants and communists from all over the world.

But since you want to discuss Mexicans:

[h=1]Illegal Migrants Come Here as Ready-made Democrats — Here’s Why[/h]
Every wave of immigration legal or illegal has increased the socialism/communism in this country and will continue to do so until we limit the numbers allowed to ensure that the newcomers assimilate into American liberty culture instead of assimilating Americans into their socialism/communism and it has nothing to do with race, just political culture.

 

[Swordsmyth]

a DHS insider exposed to us Congo migrants have made it to the USA with confirmed cases of #ebola. 3 are in custody in Laredo Tx and 6 in Laredo Mexico, and in Juarez next to our wall@WeBuildtheWall is securing our nation! @RyanAFournier @gehrig38 @cnnbrk @CBSNews @NBCNews
— Brian Kolfage (@BrianKolfage) May 31, 2019

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[tod evans]

Jules is absolutely right about this.

I don't think so, in fact I don't think that 20% would come here if this country didn't support it's non working citizens..

The "jobs" available would be no better than in their country and the 'Merkins picking crops and cleaning motels would actually want to put a roof over their head and food in their kids bellies if government didn't do it for them....


It's not free shit for foreigners that's drawing them, it's the free shit for a large portion of the citizenry...

End government handouts to every-fucking-body including Big-Lobbyists and single mothers!

 

[Swordsmyth]

I don't think so, in fact I don't think that 20% would come here if this country didn't support it's non working citizens..

The "jobs" available would be no better than in their country and the 'Merkins picking crops and cleaning motels would actually want to put a roof over their head and food in their kids bellies if government didn't do it for them....


It's not free $#@! for foreigners that's drawing them, it's the free $#@! for a large portion of the citizenry...

End government handouts to every-$#@!ing-body including Big-Lobbyists and single mothers!

People from all over the world came to America in droves before we had much of a welfare system, I absolutely support getting rid of welfare but the immigrants from socialist cultures with terrible economies would still come here for the economic opportunity and bring their socialist values with them, then they would vote for welfare.

We have to limit immigration and control our borders or we will end up no different than the rest of the world that is socialist/communist.

 

[tod evans]

People from all over the world came to America in droves before we had much of a welfare system, I absolutely support getting rid of welfare but the immigrants from socialist cultures with terrible economies would still come here for the economic opportunity and bring their socialist values with them, then they would vote for welfare.

We have to limit immigration and control our borders or we will end up no different than the rest of the world that is socialist/communist.

The draw would be substantially less as would the acceptance of the 'Merkin people without government monies..

The two go hand in hand, trying to separate them is foolish.

I don't think, even for a minute, that there would be such an influx if there wasn't such a warm welcome.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The draw would be substantially less as would the acceptance of the 'Merkin people without government monies..

The two go hand in hand, trying to separate them is foolish.

I don't think, even for a minute, that there would be such an influx if there wasn't such a warm welcome.

I agree, it would be foolish to assume that welfare isn't part of the draw but we need to limit immigration and secure the border in addition to eliminating welfare and especially while we try to eliminate welfare.

 

[specsaregood]

I don't think so, in fact I don't think that 20% would come here if this country didn't support it's non working citizens..

The "jobs" available would be no better than in their country and the 'Merkins picking crops and cleaning motels would actually want to put a roof over their head and food in their kids bellies if government didn't do it for them....


It's not free shit for foreigners that's drawing them, it's the free shit for a large portion of the citizenry...

End government handouts to every-fucking-body including Big-Lobbyists and single mothers!

Agreed, wholeheartedly.

 

[tod evans]

I agree, it would be foolish to assume that welfare isn't part of the draw but we need to limit immigration and secure the border in addition to eliminating welfare and especially while we try to eliminate welfare.

I would much rather see welfare ended before undertaking more debt.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I would much rather see welfare ended before undertaking more debt.

Every illegal that enters adds to the debt, we can't afford to not attack the problem from all angles.
The illegals will also shift our politics so that we can't end welfare if we don't stop them.


It used to be accepted that we do have a welfare state and that you can't have open borders in a welfare state, one of the reasons for that maxim was that the people who came for the welfare would ensure that you couldn't end the welfare state but now many seem to have forgotten that.

 

[tod evans]

Every illegal that enters adds to the debt, we can't afford to not attack the problem from all angles.
The illegals will also shift our politics so that we can't end welfare if we don't stop them.


It used to be accepted that we do have a welfare state and that you can't have open borders in a welfare state, one of the reasons for that maxim was that the people who came for the welfare would ensure that you couldn't end the welfare state but now many seem to have forgotten that.

I have NEVER accepted the welfare state, not once!

That was one of my draws to Ron Paul, ending the welfare state.

I hope I live to see the day when someone has the guts to stand at a debate podium and tell the truth; That we, as a nation, can't support all the freeloaders and if elected they'll stop payments to everyone including the war machine and single mothers, doctors, hospitals and housing........Absolutely no government monies spent on anything until there's a surplus in the vault........Especially payment to congressmen, senators and all their staff, no money spent....No pensions no nothing!

I think that would win an election, I know I'd vote for 'em....

And I think a wall is fucking ridiculous. More government spending isn't going to fix too much government spending.

 

[specsaregood]

And I think a wall is fucking ridiculous. More government spending isn't going to fix too much government spending.

Except this wall, which is built on private property on land donated by the owner that has suffered due to trespassers for years. Built with voluntary contributions. I like it.

You are spot on about the welfare though. If people had no choice but to work those dirty jobs they don't want to do or starve, they would do those jobs and illegals would have no jobs over here to take.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I have NEVER accepted the welfare state, not once!

That was one of my draws to Ron Paul, ending the welfare state.

I hope I live to see the day when someone has the guts to stand at a debate podium and tell the truth; That we, as a nation, can't support all the freeloaders and if elected they'll stop payments to everyone including the war machine and single mothers, doctors, hospitals and housing........Absolutely no government monies spent on anything until there's a surplus in the vault........Especially payment to congressmen, senators and all their staff, no money spent....No pensions no nothing!

I think that would win an election, I know I'd vote for 'em....

And I think a wall is $#@!ing ridiculous. More government spending isn't going to fix too much government spending.

I didn't say to accept the welfare state, I said that we have to accept the fact that we are stuck with one and we won't be able to get rid of it like we need to if we don't stop the invasion it attracts.

There will be much more government spending if we don't deal with the invasion than if we do.