First-ever private border wall built in New Mexico

[Zippyjuan]

The Republicans have a much better average voting record and there are ZERO good Demoncrats, you can give up or you can work with the best people you can find and try to educate them.

Allowing the invasion to continue will ensure communist rule and the total eradication of liberty for centuries.

More cliches.

 

[Swordsmyth]

More cliches.

Many a truth is.

 

[asurfaholic]

The Republicans have a much better average voting record and there are ZERO good Demoncrats, you can give up or you can work with the best people you can find and try to educate them.

Allowing the invasion to continue will ensure communist rule and the total eradication of liberty for centuries.

I’ve already said my piece on this fabricated “invasion.” The “invaders” are not going to stop coming until we fix our policy that attracts them. There’s no movement to address this.

Work with the best? Lol.

I’ll support Rand Paul and anyone who remotely resembles him. But whatever brushfires of liberty that the Ron Paul movement ignited are rapidly being drenched with that “swamp” that was supposed to be drained. Which apparently was just some cute slogan to get numb nuts to think trump was actually anti establishment. I never believed it. And I certainly don’t believe there is any sort of an “invasion” happening now that is any more significant than the last 100 years of legal and illegal immigration.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I’ve already said my piece on this fabricated “invasion.” The “invaders” are not going to stop coming until we fix our policy that attracts them. There’s no movement to address this.

Yes there is:



Migrants are forgoing welfare benefits out of fear of Trump’s proposed Visa rules

New HUD rule prevents illegals from getting public housing assistance

Infuriating Democrats, Trump Plans To Redefine Poverty, Cutting Americans From Welfare

Work with the best? Lol.

I’ll support Rand Paul and anyone who remotely resembles him. But whatever brushfires of liberty that the Ron Paul movement ignited are rapidly being drenched with that “swamp” that was supposed to be drained. Which apparently was just some cute slogan to get numb nuts to think trump was actually anti establishment. I never believed it. And I certainly don’t believe there is any sort of an “invasion” happening now that is any more significant than the last 100 years of legal and illegal immigration.

Will you work with the people Rand works with?

If you won't work with enough of the best people available to get things done you will fail.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Brian Kolfage, the veteran who started the viral We Build The Wall organization, revealed that cartel gunmen approached border wall construction crews brandishing rifles last night, seeking to intimidate them and prevent them from continuing the border wall construction.
Kolfage, the triple-amputee Air Force veteran and Purple Heart recipient who started the viral We Build The Wall campaign on GoFundMe, posted a tweet earlier today revealing that “15 armed cartel members with rifles dressed in camo approached our border wall last night intimidating construction crews”, and suggested his organization’s security was able to thwart the intimidation attempt.

BREAKING: 15 armed cartel members with rifles dressed in camo approached our border wall last night intimidating construction crews. @gatewaypundit @OANN @DonaldJTrumpJr @RyanAFournier @DRUDGE @gehrig38 @WSJ @TrumpStudents @CBSNews @ABC @LouDobbs @FoxNews @realDonaldTrump
— Brian Kolfage (@BrianKolfage) May 31, 2019

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More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/insan...les-intimidate-border-wall-construction-crew/

 

[tfurrh]

First-ever private border wall built in New Mexico

 

[nikcers]

Have you met your new replacement yet?

Millions of homeless Americans beg for money from their replacements every single day. Its not selfish to think that Americans should have a priority over illegal immigrants.

 

[juleswin]

I’ve already said my piece on this fabricated “invasion.” The “invaders” are not going to stop coming until we fix our policy that attracts them. There’s no movement to address this.

Work with the best? Lol.

I’ll support Rand Paul and anyone who remotely resembles him. But whatever brushfires of liberty that the Ron Paul movement ignited are rapidly being drenched with that “swamp” that was supposed to be drained. Which apparently was just some cute slogan to get numb nuts to think trump was actually anti establishment. I never believed it. And I certainly don’t believe there is any sort of an “invasion” happening now that is any more significant than the last 100 years of legal and illegal immigration.

Remove every single welfare in this country and just as many people will still come over the border. The idea that people are coming for welfare is just wrong, the welfare is the cherry on top but people do eat ice cream all the time without cherries anywhere to be found.

I see 3 ways to reduce immigration. The bes of them is to stop destabilizing latin American countries, stop with the regime change wars, the sanctioning, the strong armining of leaders and the propping up of strong men who oppress their people. Essentially, we need to pull the CIA back from the region. More stability will mean less people trying to leave their homes. The other two options is to tank the economy so bad that immigrant see no economic benefit coming over and to build a big wall along the southern border.

 

[tod evans]

Remove every single welfare in this country and just as many people will still come over the border. .

Oh bullshit!

 

[asurfaholic]

Remove every single welfare in this country and just as many people will still come over the border. The idea that people are coming for welfare is just wrong, the welfare is the cherry on top but people do eat ice cream all the time without cherries anywhere to be found.

I see 3 ways to reduce immigration. The bes of them is to stop destabilizing latin American countries, stop with the regime change wars, the sanctioning, the strong armining of leaders and the propping up of strong men who oppress their people. Essentially, we need to pull the CIA back from the region. More stability will mean less people trying to leave their homes. The other two options is to tank the economy so bad that immigrant see no economic benefit coming over and to build a big wall along the southern border.

I agree that welfare may not be the REASON they pack their stuff and head over, but it is largely the biggest problem associated with them coming, because it is driving up the debt and creates dependency once they are here.

I’d also point out that they are probably not coming here explicitly to change the US into a communist state as some posters seem intent on.

If there is no welfare or handouts, it would be hard to compile a list of ways that their immigration actually effects your pocketbook or mine. Probably the biggest issue would be like what Phil brings up, a legitimate concern, they could be driving down labor costs in trades that previously used to provide decent wages to professionals such as himself. But at least the burden wouldn’t be resting on taxpayers to provide healthcare and education and other living benefits to these people and their families.

A couple suggestions I’d propose if anyone cared- end giving citizenship rights to people just for being born here. If both parents are not US citizens, their offspring are not either.

If we must have policies in place to not turn away people for healthcare if they cannot afford it, find a way to pass the expense of providing a poor immigrant’s healthcare bill back to the country of origin, or garnish future wages. Difficult to navigate topic here, I know. I do not support the idea that healthcare should be provided free for illegal immigrants. They came here to work, let their money pay for their costs.

I know many “illegals.” They overstay their visa, but set down roots and have a kid in school, get comfortable just working and sending money out of the country. There is no incentive to leave once their allowed term is up. The policies should prevent them from being able to set down roots as a non citizen.

Unfortunately that’s not the case.

A wall stops 0% of those problems.

 

[nikcers]

The biggest reason they come here is their government is more corrupt than ours is. Are you libertarians calling for regime change to solve the root of the problem? I know some Mexican immigrants that have told me that they would love regime change in Mexico.

 

[Danke]

Brian Kolfage, the veteran who started the viral We Build The Wall organization, revealed that cartel gunmen approached border wall construction crews brandishing rifles last night, seeking to intimidate them and prevent them from continuing the border wall construction.
Kolfage, the triple-amputee Air Force veteran and Purple Heart recipient who started the viral We Build The Wall campaign on GoFundMe, posted a tweet earlier today revealing that “15 armed cartel members with rifles dressed in camo approached our border wall last night intimidating construction crews”, and suggested his organization’s security was able to thwart the intimidation attempt.

BREAKING: 15 armed cartel members with rifles dressed in camo approached our border wall last night intimidating construction crews. @gatewaypundit @OANN @DonaldJTrumpJr @RyanAFournier @DRUDGE @gehrig38 @WSJ @TrumpStudents @CBSNews @ABC @LouDobbs @FoxNews @realDonaldTrump
— Brian Kolfage (@BrianKolfage) May 31, 2019

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More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/insan...les-intimidate-border-wall-construction-crew/

What are they worried about, “the wall won’t stop anyone from entering.”

 

[juleswin]

I agree that welfare may not be the REASON they pack their stuff and head over, but it is largely the biggest problem associated with them coming, because it is driving up the debt and creates dependency once they are here.

I’d also point out that they are probably not coming here explicitly to change the US into a communist state as some posters seem intent on.

If there is no welfare or handouts, it would be hard to compile a list of ways that their immigration actually effects your pocketbook or mine. Probably the biggest issue would be like what Phil brings up, a legitimate concern, they could be driving down labor costs in trades that previously used to provide decent wages to professionals such as himself. But at least the burden wouldn’t be resting on taxpayers to provide healthcare and education and other living benefits to these people and their families.

A couple suggestions I’d propose if anyone cared- end giving citizenship rights to people just for being born here. If both parents are not US citizens, their offspring are not either.

If we must have policies in place to not turn away people for healthcare if they cannot afford it, find a way to pass the expense of providing a poor immigrant’s healthcare bill back to the country of origin, or garnish future wages. Difficult to navigate topic here, I know. I do not support the idea that healthcare should be provided free for illegal immigrants. They came here to work, let their money pay for their costs.

I know many “illegals.” They overstay their visa, but set down roots and have a kid in school, get comfortable just working and sending money out of the country. There is no incentive to leave once their allowed term is up. The policies should prevent them from being able to set down roots as a non citizen.

Unfortunately that’s not the case.

A wall stops 0% of those problems.

I agree mostly with your post but I am going to add a few point to your well thoughtout post. I think ending welfare and birth right citizenship for immigrants(when both parents are foreigners) would do one major thing. It would cause more worker to leave their children behind. If someone realized that they had to pay the huge costs for food, schooling and healthcare to the system, they would keep their children home. But the adult workers will still be coming in the same numbers as before.

Nigerians do the same thing with Saudi Arabia where they have 0 welfare for immigrants. I am talking about 0 benefits, if you are hungry and thirsty, they will let you die of thirst and hunger, if sick and dying, they will let you die on the street. No free school for your kids etc etc but yet people are doing everything to get there. The reason why is that a labourer can make just about the same amount a GP in Nigeria could make. People will stop coming when it stops making economic sense to them. And even without benefits, it still makes sense to do menial labour in the US than Mexico.

For this and many other reasons, no Nigerian stays in Saudi after their contract is up. I am going to disagree with you on one thing and that is the idea that a wall stops nothing, a wall will deter a good many of the people trying to cross over. Mainly women and children who tend to drain from the system more than they contribute.

 

[juleswin]

Oh bull$#@!!

Shows what you know about the incentives to immigrants. People who live in a poor country without benefits won't be deterred from coming to a rich country just because it doesn't have benefits.

 

[tod evans]

Shows what you know about the incentives to immigrants. People who live in a poor country without benefits won't be deterred from coming to a rich country just because it doesn't have benefits.

Shows what you know about 'Merkins.........

Take away the freebies and the lazy cocksuckers on the tit will take the low wage jerbs the 'immigrants' come searching for...

This whole economy is one big house of cards and the migrant issue is only rocking the base it's built on harder.

 

[juleswin]

Shows what you know about 'Merkins.........

Take away the freebies and the lazy $#@!s on the tit will take the low wage jerbs the 'immigrants' come searching for...

This whole economy is one big house of cards and the migrant issue is only rocking the base it's built on harder.

You dont just take away welfare from Americana, riots will break out if you tried that. If that is what u are suggesting then YOU don't know Americans. The reason u don't take away the drink from an alcoholic, you don't try the same with welfare.

 

[tod evans]

Remove every single welfare in this country and just as many people will still come over the border.

Oh bullshit!

Shows what you know about the incentives to immigrants. People who live in a poor country without benefits won't be deterred from coming to a rich country just because it doesn't have benefits.

Shows what you know about 'Merkins.........

Take away the freebies and the lazy cocksuckers on the tit will take the low wage jerbs the 'immigrants' come searching for...

This whole economy is one big house of cards and the migrant issue is only rocking the base it's built on harder.

You dont just take away welfare from Americana, riots will break out if you tried that. If that is what u are suggesting then YOU don't know Americans. The reason u don't take away the drink from an alcoholic, you don't try the same with welfare.

Remove every single welfare in this country

So you didn't actually mean what you typed?

I'm all for cutting the cord(s), all free shit...

The can can only be kicked down the road so many times before it goes in the ditch............Same analogy as a 'house of cards'....

Free shit ain't free if it's your dollars paying for it.

I say start the riots now, today! Let's get this show on the road......

 

[juleswin]

So you didn't actually mean what you typed?

I'm all for cutting the cord(s), all free $#@!...

The can can only be kicked down the road so many times before it goes in the ditch............Same analogy as a 'house of cards'....

Free $#@! ain't free if it's your dollars paying for it.

I say start the riots now, today! Let's get this show on the road......

I assumed everyone understood that I was talking about removing every welfare for immigrants. Personally I didn't even know anyone was suggesting removing it from citizens. From what I remember, not even Ron Paul is suggesting that.

This is something I have never even considered when discussing this topic. But still, the immigrants would be able to be more competitive than American citizens espcially if they have their family living in their home country. The immigrants will always drive the prices lower than the wage most Americans can raise a family with and for that reason, they will still come.

 

[UWDude]

Remove every single welfare in this country and just as many people will still come over the border. The idea that people are coming for welfare is just wrong, the welfare is the cherry on top but people do eat ice cream all the time without cherries anywhere to be found.

I see 3 ways to reduce immigration. The bes of them is to stop destabilizing latin American countries, stop with the regime change wars, the sanctioning, the strong armining of leaders and the propping up of strong men who oppress their people. Essentially, we need to pull the CIA back from the region. More stability will mean less people trying to leave their homes. The other two options is to tank the economy so bad that immigrant see no economic benefit coming over and to build a big wall along the southern border.

this is all very true, for latin american immigrants.

especially "the best of them is to stop destabilization"

However, Id guess only about a third of illegal immigrants come from latin America.

The Chinese do not come here fleeing CIA indced destabilization.

 

[juleswin]

this is all very true, for latin american immigrants.

especially "the best of them is to stop destabilization"

However, Id guess only about a third of illegal immigrants come from latin America.

The Chinese do not come here fleeing CIA indced destabilization.

True, stabilization will only reduced the immigration by so much. The economic benefit of working in this country will always be the biggest draw. We have people from all over coming to the US seeking fortune. The unit I work in, we have a cardiologist from England who still has all his children living in England. I am sure he didn't come here because of CIA destabilization but because he can make a lot more money in the US. Btw, he is a multi millionare which I bet would be much harder to attain as a doctor in England.

I also could have gone to the UK but I chose the US for the same reason.