Fire Retardants Found in Peanut Butter, Other Fatty Foods, yet no specific disclosure

[Danke]

You should take the lighters away from the hookers you try to stiff, so to speak.

Well, at least they don't "diddle (my) hemorrhoids."

 

[Lishy]

How about you go read this entire thread?

Been there, done that.

So basically, you don't know whether it is true or not, but you just hope it is due to a perception bias of "contrarian" philosophy? So you just blindly tell people to look at other people's work without researching it on your own?

Or is this just mob mentality, of "following the leader"?

All I'm asking is for the specifics here. I do not have time to waste hours looking in circles on google for answers. If this is true, the answer should be clear.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I wonder how does the rich and elite avoid these? Do they have private cooks and gardens?

It seems a lot of things we eat contains poisons.. added in unknowingly or possibly purposefully with malicious intent.

 

[Lishy]

I wonder how does the rich and elite avoid these? Do they have private cooks and gardens?

It seems a lot of things we eat contains poisons.. added in unknowingly or possibly purposefully with malicious intent.

According to the comments of the article, this stuff is in the parts per TRILLION concentration.

Now, that is still to worry of course. Assuming it is true, we have to ask how it goes into the food in the first place? But I would not know whether or not this is dangerous since it is in trillion. The perception bias would suggest so, but personally I'm more worried about fluoride in the water than this.

 

[Kluge]

Well, at least they don't "diddle (my) hemorrhoids."

"Their" hemmorhoids, dammit!

 

[Kluge]

Been there, done that.

So basically, you don't know whether it is true or not, but you just hope it is due to a perception bias of "contrarian" philosophy? So you just blindly tell people to look at other people's work without researching it on your own?

Or is this just mob mentality, of "following the leader"?

All I'm asking is for the specifics here. I do not have time to waste hours looking in circles on google for answers. If this is true, the answer should be clear.

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

You're the one stuffing your face with peanut butter, not me, do your own research.

 

[MelissaWV]

So... no drop in breast cancer rates once this was banned in the UK, then? Theoretically because people were stil not taking in enough of something else?

 

[specsaregood]

So... no drop in breast cancer rates once this was banned in the UK, then? Theoretically because people were stil not taking in enough of something else?

Don't worry, I'm sure somebody sells whatever it is you aren't getting enough of.

 

[MelissaWV]

Don't worry, I'm sure somebody sells whatever it is you aren't getting enough of.

No doubt However I would expect an article ringing the alarm over how this chemical caused a HUGE uptick in breast cancer rates (interesting how it alone is going to be such a contributing factor?)... to also include evidence of even a tiny, statistically significant downturn in cancer rates where the chemical was banned from foods over 20 years ago.

 

[phill4paul]

Irrational fear of spontaneous combustion? That's me. That's why I like peanut butter.

 

[impaleddead]

I loathe this type of argument.

Hydrogen peroxide is a rocket fuel. It is also a disinfectant used on cuts and to disinfect things like toothbrushes.

OMG! YOU'RE PUTTING ROCKET FUEL IN YOUR MOUTH! YOU'RE GONNA DIE!

(There's thousands of other examples FWIW.)

Granted, peanut butter should probably shouldn't have HBCD in it, but my reaction to this stupid type of argument is just to roll my eyes.

Would you wash your mouth out with hydrazine? Obviously HBCD isn't harmless like h2o2, so whatever technique they use to save 10 cents per jar of peanut butter that results in traces of this trash ending up in MY food is BULLSHIT. Either get rid of the FDA or tell them to do their damned jobs.

 

[MelissaWV]

Would you wash your mouth out with hydrazine? Obviously HBCD isn't harmless like h2o2, so whatever technique they use to save 10 cents per jar of peanut butter that results in traces of this trash ending up in MY food is BULLSHIT. End of story.

I would not wash my mouth out with a number of things that naturally occur in food. That is a bullshit argument of its own.

Seriously, is there some sort of actual study that tells us something about the concentration of this poison in our food, and why it's there, and if there's any particular brand, processing method, or strain of peanut that is affiliated with higher concentrations? Is there anything (other than an obviously out of place sentence about breast cancer) that tells us of negative effects measured over time? Is there anything showing what happened to those cancer rates when the substance was banned, since the substance was responsible for the hike? No. No. No. That's what makes this an unnecessary and silly panic, but it's your right to do so. There are probably more dangerous things growing in your keyboard right now, though, and being absorbed through your fingertips.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Would you wash your mouth out with hydrazine? Obviously HBCD isn't harmless like h2o2, so whatever technique they use to save 10 cents per jar of peanut butter that results in traces of this trash ending up in MY food is BULLSHIT. Either get rid of the FDA or tell them to do their damned jobs.

Not to be rude....but in AZ (and probably other states too), the water supply has rocket fuel (chromium perchloate) This has been known for many years, but I haven't noticed uproar about it here or anywhere else. Can we have a fear mongering thread about this, too plz?

eta: chemist joke for amypi-"There's dihydrogen monoxide in the water supply! ZOMG! Call teh media"

 

[donnay]

Why not make your own peanut butter? Organic roasted and salted peanuts and organic coconut oil, in food processor--Whoosh! Peanut Butter Jelly Time!

 

[Kluge]

Would you wash your mouth out with hydrazine? Obviously HBCD isn't harmless like h2o2, so whatever technique they use to save 10 cents per jar of peanut butter that results in traces of this trash ending up in MY food is BULLSHIT. Either get rid of the FDA or tell them to do their damned jobs.

Would you use an illogical argument to push your agenda of fear? I think you would.

Oh, and H2O2 is not harmless, depending on concentration, handling and application--yet I will put it in my mouth. Hydrazine, no. You don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say--at all. The fact that hydrazine and hydrogen peroxide are used as rocket fuel tells me zero, zip about whether or not they are toxic to ingest in varying concentrations--do you get it now? The article was implying that any chemical found in a fire retardant is toxic, simply because it's used as a fire retardant--that is a piss poor argument and one that's based on fearmongering rather than fact.

Glad you used hydrazine, it was easier to make the illustration as clear as I possibly can. If you still want to believe that a chemical is automatically toxic because it's used in fire retardants, as rocket fuel, in disinfectants...whatever, then that's fine, but it's simply not true.

 

[donnay]

The Good Book says; "all things in moderation." Arsenic is also bad in high doses, but we need it too--just sayin'.

 

[Petar]

Studies have shown that 100% of people who die in fires are also not covered in peanut butter.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Would you wash your mouth out with hydrazine? Obviously HBCD isn't harmless like h2o2, so whatever technique they use to save 10 cents per jar of peanut butter that results in traces of this trash ending up in MY food is BULLSHIT. Either get rid of the FDA or tell them to do their damned jobs.

Reading the article, it's not just peanut butter, but HBCD is fat soluable, so also found in animals we eat for some reason.

In a new study of popular products purchased from grocery stores in Dallas, Texas, researchers found that nearly half of the sampled peanut butter and cold cuts, as well as turkey, fish, beef and other fatty foods, contained traces of a flame retardant commonly used in the foam insulation of building walls.

This appears to be the abstract of the study.

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.1204993

The question would be why is it in some things and not others? And at what concentrations is it harmful? And why not name where you're finding it so people can theorize and continue the work? Also, force those selling it to check their processes?

As far as the FDA goes, they'll throw us under the bus every chance they get, so they might as well disappear. In fact, I think they've done more to spread disinformation regarding GM foods more than anyone.

 

[phill4paul]

Why not make your own peanut butter? Organic roasted and salted peanuts and organic coconut oil, in food processor--Whoosh! Peanut Butter Jelly Time!

 

[angelatc]

There were also other articles, but the huffington post article actually contained way more information than the other 4-5 I saw. Believe it or not, the others were probably heavier on scare tactics and lighter on information.

Do you know that Kluge is also a scientist?