Finding good stocks/ETF/MF to buy

Going against the grain is the only way to make money speculating. You must buy when everyone else thinks you're stupid and crazy to buy, and then sell when everyone else is slapping you and saying "What are you thinking, you idiot? XYZ investment is going to explode! Why would you sell now?!?!?!"

Being a successful speculator means going against the grain, thinking differently. It means taking the same info everyone else also has, but interpreting it in the opposite way they do. It also means being lucky.

Mostly being lucky.


Ya know I just saw what happened with Google when it went public and I felt FB might be a chance to really hit something big. I realize I was speculating and I only put in what I was willing to lose. 6 months ago I was down about 50% and while I felt stupid, it didn't effect my ability to buy groceries or keep plugging away at my ROTH. I just sat on it cause I figured it couldn't get much worse.
 
Each DRIP has its own rules including minimum investments and minimums for additional purchases (minimum additionals on mine is only $25). You will have to check out each one individually but good luck! You may have to purchase at least one share of the stock on your own before joining the DRIP (again- check out what the rules say for that particular stock you are interested in).


Thanks. I will update you in a few months.
 
I just started a new job with a large financial planning company in Canada. I'm 2 weeks into training. But I took an 8 month financial planning course at a local community college prior to getting this job.
Hey, congratulations!

It's a commission based job, so I only get paid if I sell mutual funds, insurance products, or mortgages/loans. If I put a client into an ETF, I don't get paid.

Personally, I think that buying index ETFs is probably a much better deal than buying a mutual fund. In many cases, they hold the same stuff, just with a lower fee.
I think you're absolutely right and very wise. Just an index fund with the lowest fee possible seems like the way to go to me, as well. That's a bummer that you don't get commission for that, though.

So my plan is to attract clients by showing them how I can save them money by putting them into ETFs instead of mutual funds.... and then make my commissions by selling them insurance (where the commissions are actually much higher... and it's illegal to rebate, so you can't give them a better price by taking a lower commission).
That's a cool idea. Very creative. And props to you for keeping to your integrity, rather than just lying to them to make the commission.

And I don't really know too much about insurance, but i'm trying to learn as quickly as possible. It seems like there are insurance products where you get your premiums back if you don't file a claim. These products aren't that good a deal in an environment with normal interest rates... but in a low interset rate environment, it might be a good option to consider, even if you have a lot of money. Because you could put your money into a long term government bond and make a few percent in interest per year. Or you could buy an insurance product where you'll either get your money back (so you earn 0% on your money, but it's guaranteed by the government that you get your money back) but if you need to file a claim, you'll come out way ahead. So I need to learn this stuff in much more detail... but it seems like there might be some good ways to invest using insurance instead of just holding cash.
That is a very creative idea, and one I don't remember ever hearing before. I'd be interested to know what you find out. I need insurance anyway, so, who knows? Could make sense.

I do like Harry Browne's Personal Portfolio approach... but I feel as if he is overly concentrated in the US.
I think this is a good point, and one that people would ask him fairly frequently on his radio show. The answer he would give is that when you start investing in foreign things, you introduce currency risk into the equation. I think the idea is that governments manipulate the exchange rates (and of course they do, he's right, we know that) and they do it in unpredictable ways. A country may be in prosperity and decide to make their currency weak, or they may be in prosperity and decide to make their currency strong. So whether the currency is weak or strong on the exchange market at any given time is up to the whim of the government. Now long-term, it will equilibrate at purchasing power parity, but waiting for that long term can be a long wait. So investing overseas, in foreign currencies or securities denominated in foreign currencies, severs the tie between what's going on with your investment and how the economy's doing.

The Permanent Portfolio isn't diversification just for the sake of diversification. Harry and his friend (I forget his name) were trying to come up with assets that were directly, causally linked to certain economic conditions, so that if the economic condition occurred, the asset would inevitably do well. They determined there are only 4 economic conditions, and those conditions are all-inclusive (there aren't any others):

1) Prosperity
2) Recession
3) Inflation
4) Deflation

Here's what they came up with:

1) In prosperity, stocks will do well. If the economy is prospering, the companies that make up that economy will of necessity be prospering.
3) In times of inflation, gold will do well. The reason for this is a little more complicated to explain, but I think that here we are mostly familiar with it, at least partially (Harry has the best full explanation I've heard, and it's different than, though compatible with, the standard Austrian story), so I'll just say that there is an air-tight causal connection between a period of very high price inflation (different than monetary inflation) and gold going up and leave it at that.
4) During deflation, bonds will do well. The reason for this is also slightly technical.*

You will notice, by the way, that there's no asset for 2). They never could find an asset which was logically linked with recession. Some assets will go up sometimes, in one recession one, in one recession another, but nothing that you can count on that must go up every time. So that's a possibility for making a great leap forward in portfolio theory and a great improvement to the Harry Browne Permanent Portfolio, if anyone is up for a challenge! Find us a recession asset! The best Browne and his friend could do was cash, which at least won't go down.

Anyway, I'm getting to the point to address your global diversification thought. Let's say you have a big investment in the Indian stock exchange. Let's say India is in a period of prosperity. Sensei is going into the stratosphere! Tata passes Apple and Exxon in capitalization. Is your investment going up?

Not necessarily! :eek::eek::eek: It depends on what the rupee is doing. It is possible that even though the Indian stock market is way up, the Indian currency has fallen against the dollar even more than the stock market has gone up, so the real value of your investment (to you, as an American, or Canadian) has actually gone down!

And that's the huge problem. During prosperity, stocks are supposed to carry you through. It is supposed to be absolutely inevitable, bullet-proof, that stocks will do well during a period of prosperity. And within one country (or more precisely within one currency sphere) it is! But introduce currency risk, and that all goes out the window.

If we were all on a single worldwide currency, as we were during the 19th century, global diversification would be wonderful! As things are, not so much. The currency bosses can mess things up, because you have no idea what they are going to do from one year to the next. For 40 years the Mexican Peso is pegged at 8 cents to a Peso, then all of a sudden within a year it's less than 1 cent (true story).

So anyway, are there huge risks with having all your investment tied to the fortunes of one country? Yes! But the Permanent Portfolio isn't about eliminating risk but rather about accepting it, embracing it, and planning for it in the best, most intelligent way possible. It is about making risk and volatility work for you instead of against you.

and i'm not allowed to make "predictions" about what is going to happen... but I am allowed to explain things.
Probably for the best, since predictions are generally worthless anyway. :)

* With a US Treasury bond, you have a locked-in interest rate. Let's say it's 6%. If we go into deflation and now interest rates are only 2%, your bond which is still getting 6% is now much more valuable. People will pay a big premium for it, basically three times as much so that its effective rate of return will be the same as the 2% bonds which are all that are available from the Treasury now. You can multiply the effect even more the longer term bond you have. Like if you have a 30 year bond, you have that 5% locked in for 30 years (!!) and so the amount of extra interest for all 30 years will be built into the market price that people will bid it up to, whereas if it's only for 15 years, your leverage and thus your profits will be half as much.
 
Going against the grain is the only way to make money speculating. You must buy when everyone else thinks you're stupid and crazy to buy, and then sell when everyone else is slapping you and saying "What are you thinking, you idiot? XYZ investment is going to explode! Why would you sell now?!?!?!"

Being a successful speculator means going against the grain, thinking differently. It means taking the same info everyone else also has, but interpreting it in the opposite way they do. It also means being lucky.

Mostly being lucky.

If everyone is dumping a good company based on what is expected for the next quarter or two, look a year or more out and buy when the stock is crushed on short term expectations. You don't need to out think the market or interpret information differently, just extend your time horizon and be patient.
 
If everyone is dumping a good company based on what is expected for the next quarter or two, look a year or more out and buy when the stock is crushed on short term expectations. You don't need to out think the market or interpret information differently, just extend your time horizon and be patient.
Well, that sounds like a conservative way to speculate: just take the longer view, look at the fundamentals, and buy and hold. And I suppose that's a legitimate way to think about it and to do it. But in my view speculation is inherently not conservative by its very nature. So if you want to be conservative, why not be truly conservative and hold a diversified portfolio? Here's 7 quick problems I see with your advice (though I could go on and on):

1) You are talking about buying a single stock. Stock-picking is risky. You are concentrating all your risk in one company.
2) If the stock is "crushed" down far enough, that's good for the fundamentals analysis and giving you an even better deal when you buy it, but the company could lose the operating capital it needs to continue to survive, and thus go bankrupt, even if otherwise everything looks tip-top on paper.
3) How far do you extend your time horizon? How do you know when to sell? 2 years? 5 years? 15 years? How do you avoid selling at the wrong time? In other words, how can you get the right timing? My answer to this, unfortunately, is that you can't. Not reliably. You need luck. And luck is something you can't count on.
4) You are an amateur playing a professional's game. The professionals are immersed in this game. They will have better information, more deep and rich information, and will get it before you do. You will always be a step behind and that means your timing will be off. You will be busy wrapped up working and not online to sell at the big peak, e.g.. Furthermore, you will let your emotions get the best of you, sell at stupid times, get greedy and not sell at obvious times, get frustrated with your losses and change strategy completely, and on and on.
5) Your post exudes a total certainty that the stock will go up after "a year or more". But in actual fact, there are three possibilities: the stock could go up, or it could go down, or it could stay about the same. You actually do not know which of these will happen. If you are following this strategy, when outcomes come about contradicting your total certainty -- which they will with frequency -- you will be thrown into confusion and disarray. The stock was definitely going up a year or more out! What happened!?!? This confusion and frustration will lead to even worse decisions.
6) Is everyone really just dumping based on expectations for the next quarter or two? How do you know that? Did you send all the people who sold a comprehensive survey to fill out? What if they lied?
7) If everyone really is just dumping based on expectations for the next quarter or two, there's not going to be a very big upside. You are not the only player with a long time horizon. There's trillions of dollars in the market with 1,000 year plans behind them. Pension funds, perpetual trusts, wealthy estates, and just plain patient individuals. These people are thinking the exact same way as you, and so their (and thus your) expectations and analysis are already built into the price of that stock. That is, it didn't drop as much as it really should have based on short-term bad, because at the same time lots of other people were buying based on long-term good. So if you are right and the stock goes back up, you will make only a little bit of money, because everyone else expected it to go back up, too. But if you are wrong, you will lose lots of money, for the same reason. Small up-side and big down-side is a bad place to be.


No, the only way to really succeed big as a speculator is to be a contrarian. Just agree with the common wisdom but have a longer than average time horizon (actually, you just think it's longer than average) and you'll more than likely under-perform, or even get burned.
 
Well, that sounds like a conservative way to speculate: just take the longer view, look at the fundamentals, and buy and hold. And I suppose that's a legitimate way to think about it and to do it. But in my view speculation is inherently not conservative by its very nature. So if you want to be conservative, why not be truly conservative and hold a diversified portfolio? Here's 7 quick problems I see with your advice (though I could go on and on):

1) You are talking about buying a single stock. Stock-picking is risky. You are concentrating all your risk in one company.
2) If the stock is "crushed" down far enough, that's good for the fundamentals analysis and giving you an even better deal when you buy it, but the company could lose the operating capital it needs to continue to survive, and thus go bankrupt, even if otherwise everything looks tip-top on paper.
3) How far do you extend your time horizon? How do you know when to sell? 2 years? 5 years? 15 years? How do you avoid selling at the wrong time? In other words, how can you get the right timing? My answer to this, unfortunately, is that you can't. Not reliably. You need luck. And luck is something you can't count on.
4) You are an amateur playing a professional's game. The professionals are immersed in this game. They will have better information, more deep and rich information, and will get it before you do. You will always be a step behind and that means your timing will be off. You will be busy wrapped up working and not online to sell at the big peak, e.g.. Furthermore, you will let your emotions get the best of you, sell at stupid times, get greedy and not sell at obvious times, get frustrated with your losses and change strategy completely, and on and on.
5) Your post exudes a total certainty that the stock will go up after "a year or more". But in actual fact, there are three possibilities: the stock could go up, or it could go down, or it could stay about the same. You actually do not know which of these will happen. If you are following this strategy, when outcomes come about contradicting your total certainty -- which they will with frequency -- you will be thrown into confusion and disarray. The stock was definitely going up a year or more out! What happened!?!? This confusion and frustration will lead to even worse decisions.
6) Is everyone really just dumping based on expectations for the next quarter or two? How do you know that? Did you send all the people who sold a comprehensive survey to fill out? What if they lied?
7) If everyone really is just dumping based on expectations for the next quarter or two, there's not going to be a very big upside. You are not the only player with a long time horizon. There's trillions of dollars in the market with 1,000 year plans behind them. Pension funds, perpetual trusts, wealthy estates, and just plain patient individuals. These people are thinking the exact same way as you, and so their (and thus your) expectations and analysis are already built into the price of that stock. That is, it didn't drop as much as it really should have based on short-term bad, because at the same time lots of other people were buying based on long-term good. So if you are right and the stock goes back up, you will make only a little bit of money, because everyone else expected it to go back up, too. But if you are wrong, you will lose lots of money, for the same reason. Small up-side and big down-side is a bad place to be.


No, the only way to really succeed big as a speculator is to be a contrarian. Just agree with the common wisdom but have a longer than average time horizon (actually, you just think it's longer than average) and you'll more than likely under-perform, or even get burned.

1. Uh, no. I said to buy 10 - 15 (or up to 20) stocks in different industries to diversify.
2. Only idiots and gamblers buy stocks of companies that could go bankrupt because the stock price took a hit.
3. Sell when the reason you bought it no longer exists.
4. Did you even read what I wrote? Why are you babbling about short term information gaps after I suggested extending your time horizon beyond that of the short term traders? I don't give a shit what the stock price does on any particular day. I don't have to explain myself to a supervisor if I don't make money every day.
5. I've been doing this for 12 years. I left emotional trading behind a long time ago. My experience has been that entering orders when the markets are closed helps a lot with that.
6. Use a little common sense. You're being ridiculous.
7. Obviously if EVERYONE dumped based on expectations for the next quarter, the price would be $0. The people dumping in enough volume to move the price are the ones that have to meet quarterly trading profits. You clearly haven't paid much attention to the movements of individual stocks, nor do you have a clue about the actual mechanics of the market.
 
Well , I am just an old country boy trying to get by , :) but I got some General Dynamics at the bottom , did alright with that .
 
1. Uh, no. I said to buy 10 - 15 (or up to 20) stocks in different industries to diversify.
I was myopically responding to that single post (where you said "a company," that is, one stock) and did not realize you'd posted earlier in the thread. Forgive me.

2. Only idiots and gamblers buy stocks of companies that could go bankrupt because the stock price took a hit.
The way I see it, almost any publicly traded company today could go bankrupt were its capitalization to drop low enough, for long enough. Companies need some working capital to, well, continue working. Any company can go bankrupt. That is always a risk. It happens. K-Mart went bankrupt. General Motors went bankrupt. Pan-Am went bankrupt. Walmart, Ford, and Southwest all could go bankrupt, too. Stockholders of Pan-Am were not idiots nor gamblers. They just happened to own stock in a company that went bankrupt.

3. Sell when the reason you bought it no longer exists.
According to your post, the reason you bought it was because everyone was dumping it, it is still a good company, and you are certain that it will go back up after a year or more. Underlying those reasons, presumably your fundamental reason is because you want to make money. That fundamental reason will probably never cease to exist. What about the others? Will everyone stop dumping it at some point? Maybe. Will it cease being a good company at some point? It could. Will it go back up after a year or more? Maybe yes, maybe no. As long as everything goes according to plan, I guess you will be fine.


4. Did you even read what I wrote? Why are you babbling about short term information gaps after I suggested extending your time horizon beyond that of the short term traders? I don't give a shit what the stock price does on any particular day. I don't have to explain myself to a supervisor if I don't make money every day.
Why so defensive? Your 10-12 stock strategy is doing fantastic, right? You didn't sell off during 2008 or 2003, right? You held in there, took the long-term view and have made tons of money the last 12 years, tracking or even beating the overall stock market. You should be as cheerful and happy as the cat who ate the canary. Anyway, yes, my point got off-track into more short-term-sounding stuff, but it applies to long-term, too. You and I have a lack of long-term information as well. A good professional investor who wants to invest a billion dollars in a company probably has had extensive meetings with the team running the company. He understands their personalities and their vision. He should know the business inside and out, as well as the industry they're in. What's more, he has natural knack or inclination for doing this, which he has honed into a mastery through decades of focus. His neural network has changed. He is a capital-allocating machine.

I as an amateur will never be able to be as good a cabinet maker as someone who has spent 50 years and 100,000 hours doing it. Nor painter. The same thing applies to speculating. I don't have the time to do the research Warren Buffet does.

5. I've been doing this for 12 years. I left emotional trading behind a long time ago. My experience has been that entering orders when the markets are closed helps a lot with that.
Good for you. I think that's good advice. I would go further, of course, and say the fewer orders you enter at all, and indeed the less you look at your portfolio, the better.

7. Obviously if EVERYONE dumped based on expectations for the next quarter, the price would be $0. The people dumping in enough volume to move the price are the ones that have to meet quarterly trading profits. You clearly haven't paid much attention to the movements of individual stocks, nor do you have a clue about the actual mechanics of the market.
Yes, if one pays attention to such things, one quickly learns that all market movements have reasons, usually very clear reasons, and the people who write articles and run TV shows are, lucky for us, all invariably well-informed about these reasons.

The interesting thing is, though: no one actually knows. With some somewhat rare exceptions, no one ever actually knows why the market jumped 5% today, or went down 7% this week, or whatever. But it wouldn't be very entertaining if they just rattled numbers and didn't tell us a story about "why", now would it?

Humans learn. If they did one thing last time, they will probably do something different the next time, even if everything is totally the same (which it never is anyway) because they will have learned from last time. If stocks really went down every quarter reliably due to traders having to make quarterly profits, then human actors, being their clever, learning selves, would quickly adjust to try to take advantage of the potential profits to be had from buying on those drops. Which means that nothing ever stays the same, nothing ever is a sure thing, and what happened last time is almost certainly not what will happen this time.
 
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Going against the grain is the only way to make money speculating. You must buy when everyone else thinks you're stupid and crazy to buy, and then sell when everyone else is slapping you and saying "What are you thinking, you idiot? XYZ investment is going to explode! Why would you sell now?!?!?!"

Being a successful speculator means going against the grain, thinking differently. It means taking the same info everyone else also has, but interpreting it in the opposite way they do. It also means being lucky.

Mostly being lucky.
If everyone is dumping a good company based on what is expected for the next quarter or two, look a year or more out and buy when the stock is crushed on short term expectations. You don't need to out think the market or interpret information differently, just extend your time horizon and be patient.
In any case, I was talking about speculating, in the post you were replying to, see? It seems like you are talking about investing, based on your first post with the standard deviation graph. You are just trying to track the market, not to beat it, is that correct? Your post seems to be saying that a dozen carefully-chosen companies in a wide range of industries will have roughly the same performance as the S&P500, or a Total Stock Market fund. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.

So even though I think your thoughts on timing -- waiting for stocks to be "crushed on short term expectations" before buying -- totally bogus and unreliable and bad investment philosophy and advice, if you are buying and then simply holding for many years and decades, then your performance should pretty much match the stock market, because your misguided initial timing attempt will fade into irrelevance as the years go on. That is, if the 12 stocks you picked happen to match the total stock market. Statisticians could probably tell you how many percentage points you will probably be within, and how likely it will be that you will be a lucky or unlucky statistical deviation, but that's assuming you chose the stocks totally randomly, which of course you didn't. And so it will depend on which individual stocks you picked.

I personally don't see the advantage to doing that instead of just buying a very low expense total stock market index, like Fidelity Spartan Total Stock Market Mutual Fund (Ticker: FSTMX), which only charges 0.1%. Where's the disadvantage there? That seems much easier, much simpler, and probably much cheaper. Easier to stick to, as well, because you're not actively or psychologically involved, being the manager of your own little 12 stock mutual fund. "Set it and forget it!"

But, perhaps you have some very specific situation which I don't know about that makes buying an index fund less feasible than your strategy, or even impossible. Or perhaps there's something I haven't thought of. But if you're just trying to track the market, an index fund simply seems superior in every way, to me.
 
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In any case, I was talking about speculating, in the post you were replying to, see? It seems like you are talking about investing, based on your first post with the standard deviation graph. You are just trying to track the market, not to beat it, is that correct? Your post seems to be saying that a dozen carefully-chosen companies in a wide range of industries will have roughly the same performance as the S&P500, or a Total Stock Market fund. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.

So even though I think your thoughts on timing -- waiting for stocks to be "crushed on short term expectations" before buying -- totally bogus and unreliable and bad investment philosophy and advice, if you are buying and then simply holding for many years and decades, then your performance should pretty much match the stock market, because your misguided initial timing attempt will fade into irrelevance as the years go on. That is, if the 12 stocks you picked happen to match the total stock market. Statisticians could probably tell you how many percentage points you will probably be within, and how likely it will be that you will be a lucky or unlucky statistical deviation, but that's assuming you chose the stocks totally randomly, which of course you didn't. And so it will depend on which individual stocks you picked.

I personally don't see the advantage to doing that instead of just buying a very low expense total stock market index, like Fidelity Spartan Total Stock Market Mutual Fund (Ticker: FSTMX), which only charges 0.1%. Where's the disadvantage there? That seems much easier, much simpler, and probably much cheaper. Easier to stick to, as well, because you're not actively or psychologically involved, being the manager of your own little 12 stock mutual fund. "Set it and forget it!"

But, perhaps you have some very specific situation which I don't know about that makes buying an index fund less feasible than your strategy, or even impossible. Or perhaps there's something I haven't thought of. But if you're just trying to track the market, an index fund simply seems superior in every way, to me.

I diversify because I don't want every stock moving up or down in sync. Bad things can happen, as anyone 100% in mining companies has discovered. It's just completely pointless to diversify beyond 20 companies if you're trying to reduce volatility because diversifying beyond that point does not reduce volatility. I find that more than a dozen gets to be very time consuming so I don't go beyond that. I don't diversify to try to match the S&P 500 or any other benchmark. There are a lot of shitty companies out there that I want no part of. Most of them are shitty. They'll drag your returns down even if you have smaller fees. The stocks in my current portfolio have an average expected 5 year PEG well under 1 and almost as much cash on hand as total debt. My entire portfolio, including cash and SLV, has a dividend yield a hair over 4%. If you know of an index fund which consists only of stocks with a high yield, low PEG, and minimal debt, please tell me, because I'd be interested. It takes me a long time to find them.

Timing matters, even if you're just buying SPY. There's a huge difference in the returns of someone who bought in March 2000 versus someone who bought in March 2003, or October 2007 versus March 2009. You don't have to buy the exact bottom, but you do have to avoid buying at the top.
 
Timing matters, even if you're just buying SPY. There's a huge difference in the returns of someone who bought in March 2000 versus someone who bought in March 2003, or October 2007 versus March 2009. You don't have to buy the exact bottom, but you do have to avoid buying at the top.
Timing obviously matters, but what doesn't follow is that anyone can reliably get the right timing. They can't. You can't. I can't. No one can.

I diversify because I don't want every stock moving up or down in sync. Bad things can happen, as anyone 100% in mining companies has discovered.
Yes, diversifying beyond one industry will eliminate or minimize some risks. It will also introduce other risks. Overall, I agree it is probably more wise to do what you are doing than to invest all in one sector. If you are still 100% in stocks, though, I don't think you are protected and prepared for all possible futures. Sometimes stocks do poorly. Sometimes they may do poorly for an entire decade, like the 1970s, or the 1930s.

It's just completely pointless to diversify beyond 20 companies if you're trying to reduce volatility because diversifying beyond that point does not reduce volatility. I find that more than a dozen gets to be very time consuming so I don't go beyond that.
I understand the statistical argument, as presented in your chart, but I believe that only applies if you pick the stocks totally randomly -- out of a hat or some other equivalent method. I am not a statistician, so anyone who knows better should please correct me. But that is my understanding.

You did *not* pick the stocks randomly, but rather you picked them based on very certain factors, it appears, namely: good expected Price/Earnings/Growth, lots of cash and little debt, and paying out dividends. Thus, they are anything but random. They will not always be doing the same as the overall stock market. They may do better, they may do worse. Indeed, you almost certainly picked them because they are doing better, or you believe they soon will be.

I don't diversify to try to match the S&P 500 or any other benchmark.
Hmm... OK, I think I now finally am coming to understand your chart and your strategy a little better. That chart is just showing volatility, mathematical volatility, or how much variance from the mean in a given period (I'm guessing a year, though it doesn't say). So if you're trying to take out wild swings, I guess that choosing 12 stocks instead of 1 will help with that. That seems reasonable, although again the chart is assuming randomness, and since your stocks are intentionally and proudly not random, they will instead all have in common the factors that made you pick them. If something happens that affects companies/stocks with high cash and low debt, or with high expected P/E/G ratios, you will be affected very strongly and in a far different way than the stock market in general. So, you are introducing that risk into your portfolio. What risk? The risk that high forecasted P/E/G, low debt, high cash, high dividend stocks will perform more poorly than the stock market. That is a risk. That is a possibility. I hope that you have accepted that risk and are not pretending that it is inevitable that these companies will always outperform the stock market. With every chance to out-perform comes a chance to under-perform. There exists no one-sided model of that particular coin.

So anyway, as your beloved investment adviser ;), I must tell you I again see some problems with your strategy, now that I actually understand it better, and so again I shall list them. First, my understanding of your strategy:

Volatility:
Reduce volatility by having 10-12 stocks instead of some smaller number.

Returns:
Beat the market by choosing only good companies and skipping all the ones you know are junk.

Here's the problems I perceive:

Volatility:
1) You have not ruled out volatility by choosing non-random stocks in the same way as you would have choosing random stocks. The chart you posted does not apply to your strategy. Your 12 stocks are not a point on that line. You are on some different line, and no mathematician can tell you just where it is.
2) If you are trying to reduce volatility, to have a smooth ride and fewer wild swings, trying to (almost) match the volatility of the S&P500 is not exactly shooting for the moon. The stock market is, historically, one of the most volatile investment products you can choose. And you're trying to not have *more* volatility than the stock market? :eek: If it were possible, wouldn't it be better to have even *less*?

Returns:
1) By thinking you can beat the market, you are implicitly thinking that you are somehow smarter, somehow more brilliant than all the people that make up the market. But as a matter of fact, you probably aren't.
2) Look at your returns over the last 12 years, since that is how long you say you've been doing this. Take a hard-nosed, dispassionate look at the numbers. What has your real return been vs. what would you have gotten holding an S&P500 index fund? Be sure to take into account the tax disadvantage you are taking by getting dividends and by trading in and out. Have you come out ahead, or would you have been better off just buying and holding the S&P500 index fund?
3) If you have come out behind, no worries. That is what always happens. You should change your strategy.
4) If you have come out ahead, you are better than 99% of amateur speculators. This is almost certainly because of luck. You should change your strategy while you can, before your luck runs out.

What you are doing is really not investing. It is speculating. Investing is when you accept the return that anyone else can get, with no special effort nor intelligence. This would be things like:

Putting your money in a savings account
Buying a total stock market index fund
Buying US Treasury bonds

In things like that, one accepts the return everyone else is getting (or not). One doesn't have to understand the difference between an expected P/E/G ratio and an actual P/E/G ratio and have a lot of technical knowledge and do a lot of research to get whatever return the stock market is providing. It takes no special knowledge; it takes no special skill. One is not risking his life savings on being more brilliant than everyone else -- as, I believe, you are, enoch.

In short, if you can't afford to lose your money, if your money is precious to you, I would stop speculating and start investing.
 
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What about cheap promising stocks in BRICS countries?

I know that this is an old thread but I was just reminded of it in another discussion. And if you don't read this then perhaps others will find it useful.

What you want to do there is look at the non-gmo agriculture markets of competitive BRICS nations. 3-5 years from now you'll thank yourself. Oh, yes indeedy...ballgame...
 
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