Finding a Lawyer to argue that traveling is a right and not a privilege

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You know this from experience?

Yes, I had a pro se tax case. I won the case.

Discovery is based on an individual case

FOIA is an individual matter too.

Discovery is...usually gathered by a small part without much other things to handle, the scope, time, and bureaucracy tape is usually smaller than FOIA.

The various and sometimes conflicting statutes and court decisions often make discovery very complex and contentious.

Exceptions don't mean there's no rule or norm.

There is no rule or norm that one is done faster than the other. That does not even make any sense. You just made it up.

You'd be wasting your time, because prosecutor won't use it, you're just asking for evidence he won't use, LOL.

The defendant often wants something that the prosecutor does not want or wants to keep hidden.

You seem to really want to find fault in what I say rather than just make your point and prove me wrong.

A lot of what you're saying is faulty. You are talking textbook with, I doubt, any real world experience. You are just trolling a thread with nonsense like you usually do. Neg rep.

Burden of proof is on prosecutor,...

That's textbook talk. In the real world, the defendant is burdened by a good deal of procedural matters.

 

[PRB]

Yes, I had a pro se tax case. I won the case.

You used FOIA in a pro se tax case? Really? What did you request?

FOIA is an individual matter too.

but the handlers, depending on what you request, are not as compartentalized/specific as are in handling criminal case evidence (by detectives and prosecutors)

The various and sometimes conflicting statutes and court decisions often make discovery very complex and contentious.

No disagreement here. Except FOIA is federal, so it's almost guaranteed to be complex by default.

There is no rule or norm that one is done faster than the other. That does not even make any sense. You just made it up.

Wanna bet?

The defendant often wants something that the prosecutor does not want or wants to keep hidden.

Oh, you're not actually suggesting evidence can be used in your favor that the prosecutor can be sitting on, can you? If so, you're saying "never talk to the police" or "talking will always and only get you in trouble" or "I invoke the 5th amendment" is bad advice, as this directly contradicts your statement here.

A lot of what you're saying is faulty. You are talking textbook with, I doubt, any real world experience.

So not everything I say is faulty, I can live with that. You're allowed to use the term "I doubt", and I'm not?

You are just trolling a thread with nonsense like you usually do. Neg rep.

Can I EVER say anything that isn't trolling?

That's textbook talk. In the real world, the defendant is burdened by a good deal of procedural matters.

You're conflating burden of proof with burden/pressure of process. Back to the topic, defendent is never obligated to prove he is innocent, he is innocent until prosecutor can prove he is not. Less information is always better than more, this is why you always invoke the 5th amendment. If you disagree, you're saying the 5th amendment is sometimes bad advice and talking can sometimes be better than not talking, and a person should sometimes testify in his own defense or juries can and will make assumptions based on lack of information. How do you reconcile your realistic and less than ideal view of the just us system with your advocacy of liberty?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Really?

No, not really. Read again.

but the handlers, depending on what you request, are not as compartentalized/specific as are in handling criminal case evidence (by detectives and prosecutors)

All of these process come down to dealing with individuals.

Except FOIA is federal,..

Yes, FOIA is technically the federal acronym, but we are, of course, talking about freedom of information at all levels

Wanna bet?

Name your poison.

Oh, you're not actually suggesting evidence can be used in your favor that the prosecutor can be sitting on, can you?

Defendants seek government information like this all this all time.

You're allowed to use the term "I doubt", and I'm not?

Have you ever had a court case or done a FOI process?

Can I EVER say anything that isn't trolling?

Your entire purpose here is trolling.

You're conflating burden of proof with burden/pressure of process.

The whole thing is a process.

Less information is always better than more

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Doesn't really make sense.

If you disagree, you're saying the 5th amendment is sometimes bad advice and talking can sometimes be better than not talking, and a person should sometimes testify in his own defense or juries can and will make assumptions based on lack of information. How do you reconcile your realistic and less than ideal view of the just us system with your advocacy of liberty?

lol

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

PRB is a liberal troll. He has been caught lying multiple times on this forum, including his claim he owns 4+ guns.

He will revert to telling me to present the evidence AGAIN, even though I have done so multiple times. He knows that if I choose not to present the evidence in any single thread, then he knows some doubt about his trolling might be left in a new forum member.

 

[PRB]

PRB is a liberal troll. He has been caught lying multiple times on this forum, including his claim he owns 4+ guns.

He will revert to telling me to present the evidence AGAIN, even though I have done so multiple times. He knows that if I choose not to present the evidence in any single thread, then he knows some doubt about his trolling might be left in a new forum member.

Have you proven that I lied about having 4+ guns?

 

[PRB]

Have you ever had a court case or done a FOI process?

Never been arrested and never been sued, but worked for a lawyer and been a juror, have friends who are prosecutors. Have filed a FOI request personally? No, just heard about people doing it dozens of times.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Have you proven that I lied about having 4+ guns?

You showed it yourself by running your mouth in that thread. You clammed up, but it was already too late.

Never been arrested and never been sued, but worked for a lawyer and been a juror, have friends who are prosecutors. Have filed a FOI request personally? No, just heard about people doing it dozens of times.

Yeah, you're friends with prosecutors. Pretty much what I figured.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

PRB is a liberal troll. He has been caught lying multiple times on this forum, including his claim he owns 4+ guns.

He will revert to telling me to present the evidence AGAIN, even though I have done so multiple times. He knows that if I choose not to present the evidence in any single thread, then he knows some doubt about his trolling might be left in a new forum member.

What does it matter whether he's a "liberal" or not? By the standards set by a lot of popular "conservatives", most people on this forum are "liberals". In most cases, "troll" is sufficient. /just curious

 

[PRB]

You showed it yourself by running your mouth in that thread. You clammed up, but it was already too late.

Yeah, you're friends with prosecutors. Pretty much what I figured.

Clamming up means I lied?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What does it matter whether he's a "liberal" or not? By the standards set by a lot of popular "conservatives", most people on this forum are "liberals". In most cases, "troll" is sufficient. /just curious

He advocates for global warming belief, gun control, etc. He's dislikes home schooling, etc. He pretends he's libertarian (claims he voted Ron Paul twice), but argues the impracticality of even the most modest of liberties. If you read his posts, then that is the common theme. That theme is his purpose on this board.

Now, as sure as the sun comes up in the east--he'll be along in several minutes and ask me to prove the claims that I've shown countless times.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Clamming up means I lied?

No, running you mouth is what did you in. You clammed up after you realized your mistake of claiming you own 4+ guns.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

PRB will post in the next five minutes with a question about post #110. He will say something like Where did I advocate gun control? Or, Where did I say I dislike home schooling?

Here comes the sun....

 

[PRB]

He advocates for global warming belief

I advocate for trusting scientific evidence and consensus over politically motivated conspiracy theories. In this case, yes, global warming is the prevailing theory. If evidence is available and scientists come to a better conclusion, I am open to changing my belief.

, gun control, etc. He's dislikes home schooling, etc.

I do not advocate for gun control. I don't dislike home schooling, I just say it's not for everybody.

He pretends he's libertarian (claims he voted Ron Paul twice), but argues the impracticality of even the most modest of liberties.

Heavenlyboy may say I'm not a libertarian because I don't deny IP like he does, but what is your reason I am not a libertarian? Where did I argue the impracticality of liberties?

If you read his posts, then that is the common theme. That theme is his purpose on this board.

So you shouldn't have a problem quoting where I've argued the impracticality of liberties.

Now, as sure as the sun comes up in the east--he'll be along in several minutes and ask me to prove the claims that I've shown countless times.

Because you've never proved it. What choice do I have?

I can say too that "as sure as the sun comes up in the east--you'll along in several minutes and call me a troll and call me a liar and give me a neg rep and never prove anything, just say you've done it a million times"

 

[PRB]

PRB will post in the next five minutes with a question about post #110. He will say something like Where did I advocate gun control? Or, Where did I say I dislike home schooling?

Here comes the sun....

Yeah, if I accused you of being a child molester you wouldn't ask me to prove it? You'll give me a neg rep too, predictability proves what? That you're right?

 

[PRB]

No, running you mouth is what did you in. You clammed up after you realized your mistake of claiming you own 4+ guns.

how is any of that proof I lied?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I advocate for trusting scientific evidence and consensus over politically motivated conspiracy theories.

False dichotomy.

I do not advocate for gun control. I don't dislike home schooling, I just say it's not for everybody.

Changing your story, but that's not new.

So you shouldn't have a problem quoting where I've argued the impracticality of liberties.

I haven't so far.

Because you've never proved it.

You're like the jailbird who claims he didn't do it.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Come now, PRB; even you must be regretting that your claiming ownership of 4+ guns was a mistake.

You're so egotistical that you couldn't just stick to the typical liberal gun control story. That phony story, of course, is the liberal who says he grew up with guns in a rural area, but has now seen the error of his ways.* If you had just used that story, then you could've claimed ignorance when I questioned you about firearms.

But no, you had to bigger than it all. Well, why don't you discuss your gun ownership NOW? You said you own "shotguns and handguns." I think you said you have Glocks. Right? What about your shotguns? What kind? And don't give me the excuse that you're a private person. You've already said you own two Glocks, so mentioning the type of Glock is no different than saying you own two Glocks.

I'll even help you out. You can just say something common, like Mossberg 500 and 870. You can go on another forum and get all the answers so you'll look like you really own them!


*Here's a variation of that story.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/gave-guns-article-1.1238566

 

[PRB]

False dichotomy.

No, I'm just telling you what I believe, advocate, and don't believe, feel free believe or bring up 3rd options. I didn't say there can't be.

Changing your story, but that's not new.

What was my old story?

I haven't so far.

You haven't actually quoted me where I've argued the impracticality of liberties. Or have you? Let's see it

You're like the jailbird who claims he didn't do it.

What else do I do if I actually didn't?

 

[PRB]

Come now, PRB; even you must be regretting that your claiming ownership of 4+ guns was a mistake.

You're so egotistical that you couldn't just stick to the typical liberal gun control story. That phony story, of course, is the liberal who says he grew up with guns in a rural area, but has now seen the error of his ways.* If you had just used that story, then you could've claimed ignorance when I questioned you about firearms.

But no, you had to bigger than it all. Well, why don't you discuss your gun ownership NOW? You said you own "shotguns and handguns." I think you said you have Glocks. Right? What about your shotguns? What kind? And don't give me the excuse that you're a private person. You've already said you own two Glocks, so mentioning the type of Glock is no different than saying you own two Glocks.

I'll even help you out. You can just say something common, like Mossberg 500 and 870. You can go on another forum and get all the answers so you'll look like you really own them!


*Here's a variation of that story.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/gave-guns-article-1.1238566

What do I get by answering you? For you to stop calling me a troll or liar?

No, I didn't grow up in a rural area with guns. I have no liberal story or story that changed my views on guns.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What do I get by answering you? For you to stop calling me a troll or liar?

Confess you're a scoundrel.