"fighting for our freedom" - how to respond?

[samforpaul]

Could fellow Ron Paul Forum posters help me out here? Once again I heard this thrown out regarding a soldier in Afghanistan. Could you tell me what you believe to be a kind, diplomatic response to this mantra whether it be in Afghanistan or Iraq?

 

[tod evans]

Freedom is impugned by waging wars.

Doesn't matter if their wars are here in this country or overseas, I am less free for their efforts.

 

[Warlord]

Freeeeeeeeeeeedom

 

[cajuncocoa]

What freedoms did Afghanistan put at risk?

Our freedoms are at risk, but we're doing it to ourselves....no one (away from this board) seems to care about that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Could fellow Ron Paul Forum posters help me out here? Once again I heard this thrown out regarding a soldier in Afghanistan. Could you tell me what you believe to be a kind, diplomatic response to this mantra whether it be in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Ask them to name a single freedom taken away by an Afghan.

Then, list all the freedoms taken away by the government.

 

[Cleaner44]

As soon as someone is Afghanistan pushes for legislation to infringe on my right to bear arms I will let you know. Meanwhile Washington D.C. is filled with people that want to reduce my freedom and they act as if they have some authority to legitimately do so. I wish these soldiers would go to D.C. if they really want to fight for my freedom, because that is where the highest priority threat is. There is nothing that any soldiers of Afghanistan can do to reduce my freedom as much as the people in my own capitol.

 

[samforpaul]

When I hear people use that phrase I get the feeling that they're saying it in a context of the US soldiers are fighting over there so that terrorism from those parts of the world don't occur here.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Ask them to name a single freedom taken away by an Afghan.

Then, list all the freedoms taken away by the government.

/thread

 

[tod evans]

When I hear people use that phrase I get the feeling that they're saying it in a context of the US soldiers are fighting over there so that terrorism from those parts of the world don't occur here.

Alleged "terrorism" is actually retaliation.

 

[otherone]

Could you tell me what you believe to be a kind, diplomatic response to this mantra whether it be in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Why respond at all? You'd be debating a soundbite, not a person. If you must engage him, maybe simply ask him what he means by that?

 

[pcosmar]

When I hear people use that phrase I get the feeling that they're saying it in a context of the US soldiers are fighting over there so that terrorism from those parts of the world don't occur here.

What terrorism?

We were never attacked by Afghanistan or by the people of Afghanistan.
And for all the hype,, there is no evidence that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.
His attacks were all in the Mid East, and against legitimate Military targets. The FBI could find no involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

 

[libertarianMoney]

"If you were fighting for our freedom then you'd be fighting in DC."

Wait... That's probably not very diplomatic... Shucks...

You could just break into laughter and say, "Good one!"

 

[Ender]

Suggest they read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins.

Pretty explicit about what the US is doing in other countries and a real eyeopener.

 

[enoch150]

If you want to be polite about it, don't mention Afghanistan or Iraq at all. Just say "the biggest threat to our freedom these days is in Washington D.C." and leave it at that.

If you attack their service as worthless or counterproductive, you're just going to turn them off to anything else you have to say. Let them come to that realization over time.

 

[samforpaul]

We were never attacked by Afghanistan or by the people of Afghanistan.

Ohhh, but that's where training took place and where the plot was launched. Or something to that effect I've heard.

 

[pcosmar]

Ohhh, but that's where training took place and where the plot was launched. Or something to that effect I've heard.

they were training in the United States.
They were funded by Saudis.

And the Afghan Government offered to turn over Osama,, if there was any evidence of his involvement.

 

[Acala]

Ohhh, but that's where training took place and where the plot was launched. Or something to that effect I've heard.

By the very people WE trained to fight the Russians. Before that we helped the Russians fight the Germans.

 

[Occam's Banana]

By the very people WE trained to fight the Russians. Before that we helped the Russians fight the Germans.

But at least we didn't help the Germans fight anyone ... did we?

 

[pcosmar]

But at least we didn't help the Germans fight anyone ... did we?

who is "we"?

 

[Occam's Banana]

who is "we"?

Ask Acala. He started it!