Fiction Book - Need Ideas - What if the Fed never came into being?

[onlyrp]

Meanwhile, the writer was keeping a black woman as a sex slave.

even if he himself wasn't, it wouldn't change the facts of what the laws were, how the people in power acted or didn't care to act.

 

[BuddyRey]

Wow, this thread got hardcore derailed.

 

[onlyrp]

Wow, this thread got hardcore derailed.

when one asks "how would the world be if something never happened" you can expect lots of crazy comments.

 

[BuddyRey]

when one asks "how would the world be if something never happened" you can expect lots of crazy comments.

That was the point though. This thread was asking us to use our imaginations and come up with what we "think" (the key word here is "think") the world might have been like without the Fed. It was all for fun anyway. Some of you guys are taking it too seriously, IMO.

 

[Domalais]

That was the point though. This thread was asking us to use our imaginations and come up with what we "think" (the key word here is "think") the world might have been like without the Fed. It was all for fun anyway. Some of you guys are taking it too seriously, IMO.

Sorry. Without the fed the world would be rainbows, unicorns, and butterscotch pudding!!1

 

[onlyrp]

Sorry. Without the fed the world would be rainbows, unicorns, and butterscotch pudding!!1

exactly! instead today rainbows are so rare, that some guy on youtube made a video of him crying after seeing a double rainbow.

 

[BuddyRey]

Sorry. Without the fed the world would be rainbows, unicorns, and butterscotch pudding!!1

I don't think anybody here is saying anything of the kind. But if that's the way you perceive it, you're entitled to that. You sure picked a funny place to engage in Keynesian/Monetarist fearmongering though.

 

[Travlyr]

your view of "liberty being enjoyed everywhere": cars being unable to run faster than horses, no slaves walking the streets, everybody dressed up in suits (either because it's expected of them or there are no alternatives available), nobody talking on cellphones, nobody sitting at home watching tv, 80% of the people on the streets walking, because they don't have access to a vehicle, no color film, no digital cameras in people's hands to record crimes or police abuse, population density less than 10% of today, women could not vote....(as the video obviously shows, "San Franscisco" means "everywhere", because San Francisco always has been and always will be representative of every corner of this country) yep, I can get behind all that.

Do you have any imagination? He is writing a fiction book! A little inspiration is in order along with a little historical fact. Obviously you have not done much study in history or you would know about the freedoms people enjoyed before the Fed.

The Alexis de Tocqueville Tour - Exploring Democracy in America - 1830's

That video of San Francisco was the only video that I know of produced before the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. There may be others but that is the only one I know of. It is only one example of the way life was prior to central banking control. Tocqueville's book is another example. Books about the California gold rush are another. Liberty was everywhere. That is what America was about for most free people of the day.

The Federal Reserve System is a counterfeiting system of theft. To believe that they are responsible for advancing modern technology sounds like something that would come out of a publicly schooled product. The Feds are thieves! They are the opposite of liberty and prosperity.

If not for the Federal Reserve System of warmongering theft, then people would be ages ahead of where we are now. Since the inception of the Federal Reserve over 300 million people have been killed by their government. That's 300 million to democide. While on their warmongering path they have destroyed much valuable infrastructure and wasted production on bombs and fuel.

They control society and transport them around in busses while small aircraft are regulated out of use. They keep industrial hemp illegal to keep society from advancing even better and faster than it already has in spite of their destructive ways. Without their dumbass system of counterfeiting control the entire world would be peaceful, free, and prosperous by now.

 

[Travlyr]

Sorry. Without the fed the world would be rainbows, unicorns, and butterscotch pudding!!1

The Federal Reserve System has enabled counterfeiting warmongers to traipse around the world killing, pillaging, and plundering. Federal Reserve Act of 1913 ... World War I (1914) and virtual perpetual war since. It has nothing to do with rainbows.

Ending the Fed has everything to do with achieving a peaceful, prosperous, and free society.

 

[BuddyRey]

The Federal Reserve System has enabled counterfeiting warmongers to traipse around the world killing, pillaging, and plundering. Federal Reserve Act of 1913 ... World War I (1914) and virtual perpetual war since. It has nothing to do with rainbows.

Ending the Fed has everything to do with achieving a peaceful, prosperous, and free society.

Amen!

 

[onlyrp]

Do you have any imagination? He is writing a fiction book! A little inspiration is in order along with a little historical fact. Obviously you have not done much study in history or you would know about the freedoms people enjoyed before the Fed.

You're not even gonna deny the facts I listed, nor are you going to acknowledge there's places that look just like your 1906 video. Good job.

It is only one example of the way life was prior to central banking control. Tocqueville's book is another example. Books about the California gold rush are another. Liberty was everywhere. That is what America was about for most free people of the day.

No, it's one example unrepresentative of the rest of America, because San Fransisco has always been above average in both wealth and quality of life. What did Federal Reserve do to stop the gold rush? Fill me in on that. Saying "liberty was everywhere" goes right against the above points I listed, but you'll keep ignoring it because you want to live in fantasy land. I gave you a video showing how there's a place today that resembles your 1906 world, something tells me you're not admiring their lifestyle.

Without their dumbass system of counterfeiting control the entire world would be peaceful, free, and prosperous by now.

In other words, every country without the federal reserve has exact that. Right?

 

[Travlyr]

You're not even gonna deny the facts I listed, nor are you going to acknowledge there's places that look just like your 1906 video. Good job.

No, it's one example unrepresentative of the rest of America, because San Fransisco has always been above average in both wealth and quality of life. What did Federal Reserve do to stop the gold rush? Fill me in on that. Saying "liberty was everywhere" goes right against the above points I listed, but you'll keep ignoring it because you want to live in fantasy land. I gave you a video showing how there's a place today that resembles your 1906 world, something tells me you're not admiring their lifestyle.

In other words, every country without the federal reserve has exact that. Right?

You make no sense to me. Since 1913 the Federal Reserve System funded democide around the world. With 300 million dead I would say that they have a pretty poor track record. Bombing infrastructure and killing people is destructive not productive. The video you posted did not refute anything. It was just dumb. You completely missed the point of the thread, and obviously your understanding of 19th century history is very weak.

 

[onlyrp]

You make no sense to me. Since 1913 the Federal Reserve System funded democide around the world. With 300 million dead I would say that they have a pretty poor track record. Bombing infrastructure and killing people is destructive not productive. The video you posted did not refute anything. It was just dumb. You completely missed the point of the thread, and obviously your understanding of 19th century history is very weak.

because obviously prior to 1913, there were no wars and nobody died as a result of violence. Because only money gets people killed.

To believe that they are responsible for advancing modern technology sounds like something that would come out of a publicly schooled product.
If not for the Federal Reserve System of warmongering theft, then people would be ages ahead of where we are now.

Ok, which one is it? Is there a country that doesn't have a federal reserve and you can point to them having superior technology? Would they still be a better country to live in if they killed more of their own people? Is it possible that killing 300 million people was made possible and efficient with better weapons developed?

You have no understanding of wealth and production. It's RELATIVE. I actually think you understand that part, you just choose to ignore parts which do not favor your view. You know that printing money makes people wealthy on the surface but makes each dollar worth less. So you know that burning money makes people poor, but makes each dollar worth more. Destruction IS production, depending on what perspective you are at. Creating a car is destroying iron ore. Destroying competition is creating wealth for the destroyer.

 

[Travlyr]

Thread Title: Fiction Book - Need Ideas - What if the Fed never came into being?

What do you think America would look like if the Fed never came into being?

Seriously, can you answer the OP's question?

because obviously prior to 1913, there were no wars and nobody died as a result of violence. Because only money gets people killed.

Debasement of currency funds wars. Greenback 1861 - Civil War 1861. Federal Reserve Act of 1913 - World War I (1914) and perpetual wars since. Of course there were wars before 1913, but they were short lived. People refuse to pay for perpetual wars with real money, so warmongers start printing money to pay for their wars.

Ok, which one is it? Is there a country that doesn't have a federal reserve and you can point to them having superior technology?

How is that even relevant? America held great wealth in resources and individual ingenuity during the industrial age before the Federal Reserve took over. Fifteen years later the country was virtually bankrupt. It was only 20 years from the time of their coup when they confiscated everybody's gold. Do you call losing all your gold prosperous? Liberating?

Would they still be a better country to live in if they killed more of their own people? Is it possible that killing 300 million people was made possible and efficient with better weapons developed?

I'm sure that having unlimited money supply and control was quite helpful in building more destructive bombs. That is the legacy of the Federal Reserve System. Big bad and deadly at the expense of liberty.

You have no understanding of wealth and production. It's RELATIVE.

Relative to what? America was very productive until the Federal Reserve created the great depression and put millions out of work.

I actually think you understand that part, you just choose to ignore parts which do not favor your view. You know that printing money makes people wealthy on the surface but makes each dollar worth less.

Printing money does not make people wealthy. If that was the case then everybody should have their own printing press and quit working. Printing money makes counterfeiters wealthy at the expense of producers. It is theft. The thieves get wealthy the victims get poorer.

So you know that burning money makes people poor, but makes each dollar worth more.

Whoever burns their money will have less of it, but the printing press can outpace the burning, so your premise doesn't hold up. I'm not sure what is your point.

Destruction IS production, depending on what perspective you are at. Creating a car is destroying iron ore. Destroying competition is creating wealth for the destroyer.

Right. Bombing infrastructure is good for bomb makers and contractors that rebuild. Drone makers get $108,000,000 for each one. Drone makers get rich in war. Uniform and badge makers do quite well too. But instead of going around the world bombing, killing, and raping, perhaps we could have used those resources for good rather than evil. Perhaps our bridges, roads, and airports would be great shape. Perhaps we would all have our own small airplanes to travel. Perhaps the world wouldn't hate us. Perhaps people would be producing rather than sitting around collecting welfare, SS, unemployment, and food stamps.

 

[onlyrp]

Thread Title: Fiction Book - Need Ideas - What if the Fed never came into being?
What do you think America would look like if the Fed never came into being?
Seriously, can you answer the OP's question?

Less jobs available. Aside from that, not much. Credit card companies do just fine and keeping people on credit/debt voluntarily.

Debasement of currency funds wars. Greenback 1861 - Civil War 1861. Federal Reserve Act of 1913 - World War I (1914) and perpetual wars since. Of course there were wars before 1913, but they were short lived. People refuse to pay for perpetual wars with real money, so warmongers start printing money to pay for their wars.

Fair enough, they don't pay for perpetual wars, but they'll pay any war they can win and make money off of.

How is that even relevant?

"I wanna scapegoat the federal reserve for war crimes, that's why I can't take into account facts that contradict my view, therefore I will say it doesn't matter how other countries are, if it did, it would destroy my naive argument that federal reserve is responsible for all wars"

America held great wealth in resources and individual ingenuity during the industrial age before the Federal Reserve took over. Fifteen years later the country was virtually bankrupt. It was only 20 years from the time of their coup when they confiscated everybody's gold. Do you call losing all your gold prosperous? Liberating?

Do you call having gold properous, liberating? I call having cell phones, reliable cars, high speed internet, working from home, prosperous and liberating, regardless of what banking system I live in.

I'm sure that having unlimited money supply and control was quite helpful in building more destructive bombs. That is the legacy of the Federal Reserve System. Big bad and deadly at the expense of liberty.

Relative to what? America was very productive until the Federal Reserve created the great depression and put millions out of work.

Do you define prosperity and wealth by employment rate? If a depression is bad, then inflation must be great.

Printing money does not make people wealthy. If that was the case then everybody should have their own printing press and quit working.

Agreed. Jobs don't make people wealthy either, or else everybody would stay home and do meaningless work.

Printing money makes counterfeiters wealthy at the expense of producers. It is theft. The thieves get wealthy the victims get poorer.

and working makes work less valuable at the expense of people who work. Automation and competition makes work less valuable and the hard workers lose out as victims.

Whoever burns their money will have less of it, but the printing press can outpace the burning, so your premise doesn't hold up. I'm not sure what is your point.

My premise holds up if there was no printing press, or nobody using it. So if you learned not to twist what I say, you might get the point.

Right. Bombing infrastructure is good for bomb makers and contractors that rebuild. Drone makers get $108,000,000 for each one. Drone makers get rich in war.

You mean you want some people to be poor and unemployed?

Uniform and badge makers do quite well too. But instead of going around the world bombing, killing, and raping, perhaps we could have used those resources for good rather than evil. Perhaps our bridges, roads, and airports would be great shape.

Our bridges, roads, airports ARE in better shape than 1906. Oh wait, you're not comparing 1906 now?

Perhaps we would all have our own small airplanes to travel. Perhaps the world wouldn't hate us. Perhaps people would be producing rather than sitting around collecting welfare, SS, unemployment, and food stamps.

We do have small airplanes available for purchase and hire, you just value you house and car more. You know what, there's one way we can make people produce, throw away technology and automation.

 

[Travlyr]

Indeed, War Is A Racket! Funded by counterfeiters. That is well known.

"I wanna scapegoat the federal reserve for war crimes, that's why I can't take into account facts that contradict my view, therefore I will say it doesn't matter how other countries are, if it did, it would destroy my naive argument that federal reserve is responsible for all wars"

I'm not looking for a scapegoat for war crimes. I know who is responsible.
Paul Warburg funding America in World War I. Max Warburg funding Germany.

George Herbert Walker And Prescott Bush
Funded And Directed The Military Industrial Complex
Behind Adolf Hitler And The Nazi Revolution.

Do you call having gold properous, liberating?

It certainly doesn't hurt. Especially before the Federal Reserve System confiscated it. Evidently the Federal Reserve agrees or they wouldn't have confiscated it.

I call having cell phones, reliable cars, high speed internet, working from home, prosperous and liberating, regardless of what banking system I live in.

That is nonsense. The Federal Reserve, if anything, prevented people from enjoying cell phones, reliable cars, high speed internet rather than promoted it. Consolidating, regulating, and controlling society discourages innovation. Industrial hemp is a far superior crop that, when legalized, will make stronger and lighter automobile panels, insulated reinforced concrete blocks, superior wall panels, and hundreds of other high quality products superior to petroleum based products. Hemp was made illegal for the progressive era.

Do you define prosperity and wealth by employment rate? If a depression is bad, then inflation must be great.

No. I define a prosperous society as peaceful, well fed, with homeless on the streets only by choice.

Agreed. Jobs don't make people wealthy either, or else everybody would stay home and do meaningless work.

650 million acres of Federal land in the west waiting to be homesteaded.

and working makes work less valuable at the expense of people who work. Automation and competition makes work less valuable and the hard workers lose out as victims.

Automation is good for production. More time off and less work.

You mean you want some people to be poor and unemployed?

War economy does not promote liberty, peace, or prosperity.

Our bridges, roads, airports ARE in better shape than 1906. Oh wait, you're not comparing 1906 now?

They would be in better shape than they were in 1980.

We do have small airplanes available for purchase and hire, you just value you house and car more. You know what, there's one way we can make people produce, throw away technology and automation.

That's dumb. The throw away society also came with the Federal Reserve. Keynesian economics is based on the broken window fallacy.

 

[specsaregood]

I wonder how many people were in jail in the US back in 1906. We have more people in prison now than any other country in the world, smell the freedom.

 

[Travlyr]

I wonder how many people were in jail in the US back in 1906. We have more people in prison now than any other country in the world, smell the freedom.

That's a good point. America now has over 2.5 million people in jail.
Incarceration in the United States

 

[specsaregood]

That's a good point. America now has over 2.5 million people in jail.
Incarceration in the United States

oh yeah, they even have a handy graph:

 

[Travlyr]

War On Drugs must be pretty profitable too.

Trend is steady increase since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.