Fentanyl Is Smuggled for U.S. Citizens By U.S. Citizens, Not Asylum Seekers

[osan]

Okay, then, in the context of your comment I would say the GLP poster's suggestion is entirely sensible. Instead of somebody's 80 year old mom having to get weapons and self defense training, get the riff raff off the streets. Instead of jail, the camp (which would be semi-jail). To do it would very much be taking action and self defense. It seems far more practical than a kind of every man, woman and child having to be a trained soldier in order to be able to walk down the street.

In some measure I agree. For some, such training is impractical, but even 80 year old granny can be trained. Take Bonnie, for example, my late best friend's 89 year old widow. She was an IPSC shooter, and while not all that fast, you would not want to be on the wrong end of her muzzle. She was raised right, a fine Irish woman from a military family (her father was JFK's personal doctor). Tough as nails and know's how to take care of herself.

But not all can do this, though far more can than we currently find able. People are lazy and shitty and want free stuff. Free and guaranteed security, and so on down the drearily long list. So they sell their souls to the devil, accepting the filth of police in exchange for the lie that they will be kept safe. Just how pathetic can we be?

Not everyone needs to become a walking physical weapon, but we need a critical mass of such individuals. Equally important, we need to get the Man off our backs such that when Marvin Mugger says "your money or your life", you are free to shoot him stone dead with the full and unabashed intent of doing so without having to worry about some shit-for-morals prosecutor trying to send you to prison for the rest of your life. Mass disobedience is at our fingertips, yet we don't seem willing to get it up to so much as put Anheuser Busch or the NFL out of business for their outrageous and vile expressions that run contrary to everything decent people hold as good and right between men. How are we then to throw the vampires from our necks?

We have everything we need to be free. We don't need Trump or any other messiah. They can't save us in any event. Only we can do that, and thus far we show no interest whatsoever in making it happen. Our own worst enemies...


ETS: We need a common moral framework. My principles of proper human relations provides it without stepping on anyone's religious scruples... too much.

 

[susano]

Please forgive my failure to answer that specific question. I will do do now.

No. The move is not in itself tyrannical. Removing those who threaten the rights of others and placing them in some condition where they can no longer pose such threats is a perfectly reasonable solution. The problem is not the solution per sé, but how it is applied. We have issues of competency and of morality. Competent and morally honorable people will apply the solution justly. Those of a lesser caliber will take the path of the old Soviet Union and use such camps in the way the Russians employed mental hospitals to squelch and punish those whose opinions they found disagreeable.

So once again we see that we are our own worst enemies. We wed ourselves to our various corruptions, the ones which we rationalize with our endless torrents of self-justifying bull$#@! in the effort to convince ourselves that what we do isn't really that bad, or worse yet, is actually virtuous. I've done it, as have ll others, to one degree or another. But I'm working like hell to make my amends, even if my sins have not been as bad as those of some others. Far too few are willing to recognize their corruptions, much less acknowledge them, and less still to resolve to make such amends. They just want the 24x365 screwfest where life is a perpetual orgasm with no cost whatsoever.

De-balling evil is each man's responsibility. This is the true meaning of being one's brother's keeper, not giving him money for heroin or booze and interfering with his self-destructive behaviors. Defending the integrity of your rights is defending my own. We used to call this sort of thing "enlightened self-interest". It seems a great many of us have forgotten this idea, preferring the 1980s-born notion of $#@! everyone else, I'm in it for me alone and the rest of you can eat it and die.

We, each and every one of us, choose.

Every.

Single.

Moment.

And just for the record, it appears I'm no better than anyone else in this respect.

The GLP post was only referring to the homeless. You realize that there are probably people here who would say that removing them to a semi-jail camp is tyranny. I'm not a Libertarian so am more practical and don't think people shooting up, ODing, dying, and doing their bodily functions on the street is liberty and agree that it would not be tyranny but I don't like it. It's more a matter of not knowing what else can be done with them. Yavul Harari, the WEF psychopath Israeli said something like "What do we do with all of these useless people (and he wasn't just talking abut the homeless) and answered his own question with "Video games and drugs, I guess". This is almost as cold as that but only regarding those on the streets - some of whom have done nothing wrong other than being a homeless obstacle. It's dicey. Most of these people refuse homeless shelters (which are usually pretty awful, I've heard) so would have to be cuffed and removed with force.

 

[susano]

In some measure I agree. For some, such training is impractical, but even 80 year old granny can be trained. Take Bonnie, for example, my late best friend's 89 year old widow. She was an IPSC shooter, and while not all that fast, you would not want to be on the wrong end of her muzzle. She was raised right, a fine Irish woman from a military family (her father was JFK's personal doctor). Tough as nails and know's how to take care of herself.

But not all can do this, though far more can than we currently find able. People are lazy and $#@!ty and want free stuff. Free and guaranteed security, and so on down the drearily long list. So they sell their souls to the devil, accepting the filth of police in exchange for the lie that they will be kept safe. Just how pathetic can we be?

Not everyone needs to become a walking physical weapon, but we need a critical mass of such individuals. Equally important, we need to get the Man off our backs such that when Marvin Mugger says "your money or your life", you are free to shoot him stone dead with the full and unabashed intent of doing so without having to worry about some $#@!-for-morals prosecutor trying to send you to prison for the rest of your life. Mass disobedience is at our fingertips, yet we don't seem willing to get it up to so much as put Anheuser Busch or the NFL out of business for their outrageous and vile expressions that run contrary to everything decent people hold as good and right between men. How are we then to throw the vampires from our necks?

We have everything we need to be free. We don't need Trump or any other messiah. They can't save us in any event. Only we can do that, and thus far we show no interest whatsoever in making it happen. Our own worst enemies...


ETS: We need a common moral framework. My principles of proper human relations provides it without stepping on anyone's religious scruples... too much.

That's all pretty much true though until not too long ago, we didn't have all of these ferals and their social norms that people naturally abided by. Not all but ferals are the products of single mothers so we're looking at the nanny state/"Great Society" there. I suppose that added to the number of addicts because the ferals are whacked in the head. That said, this massive homeless problem and so many mentally ill drug addicts seems like an explosion. I know it didn't exist when I grew up. Being able to shoot someone who would do you wrong is just one part of this. It's also the why of this crisis. Can it be fixed? Certainly not all western countries have this problem and others, less free, wouldn't put up with it.

My husband and I actually provided a home for a homeless woman and her 14 animals, for two years (not with us) and due to her mental illness, it was one of the most stressful things I've ever been through. We did it for the animals. So, I have personal experience with these types we see in the videos. It's bad.

 

[osan]

The GLP post was only referring to the homeless. You realize that there are probably people here who would say that removing them to a semi-jail camp is tyranny.

I didn't say anything about removing the homeless, but those who threaten the rights of their fellows. Homelessness is no crime. Going after my neighbor with a straight razor, however, is.

I'm not a Libertarian so am more practical and don't think people shooting up, ODing, dying, and doing their bodily functions on the street is liberty and agree that it would not be tyranny but I don't like it.

There must be crimes committed. Just because you smell bad and are shabbily clothed, it does not follow you belong in jail, nor because you are found to be obnoxious. But the minute you present a threat, as far as I am concerned your forfeit your claim to life and may be treated as deemed necessary.

It's more a matter of not knowing what else can be done with them.

I am a firm believer in exile. I've been working on a novel about this very topic. Kind of stalled at the moment, but will get back to it one of these days.

If you are unfit for the company of your fellows, we will remove you from our company.

Yavul Harari, the WEF psychopath Israeli said something like "What do we do with all of these useless people (and he wasn't just talking abut the homeless) and answered his own question with "Video games and drugs, I guess".

That is indeed pathological. Who is he or anyone to adjudge non-criminal human being as "useless"? I speak against criminals and only criminals. I don't care if you are a loon who thinks he's a woman with a pecker. Be as crazy as you wish, but trespass against another and suffer the consequences, up to and including loss of your life.

It is all really quite simple. If you will not govern yourself, you will be governed by others.

 

[osan]

That's all pretty much true though until not too long ago, we didn't have all of these ferals and their social norms that people naturally abided by. Not all but ferals are the products of single mothers so we're looking at the nanny state/"Great Society" there. I suppose that added to the number of addicts because the ferals are whacked in the head. That said, this massive homeless problem and so many mentally ill drug addicts seems like an explosion. I know it didn't exist when I grew up. Being able to shoot someone who would do you wrong is just one part of this. It's also the why of this crisis. Can it be fixed? Certainly not all western countries have this problem and others, less free, wouldn't put up with it.

My husband and I actually provided a home for a homeless woman and her 14 animals, for two years (not with us) and due to her mental illness, it was one of the most stressful things I've ever been through. We did it for the animals. So, I have personal experience with these types we see in the videos. It's bad.

Yeah - every now and then I drive around Charleston to clear my head, especially now with my mom in her last days. If I see someone looking like they're having a bad day, I will offer help... nothing to brag about, but if I can be a five minute bright spot in someone's otherwise lousy day, it makes me feel good. Sometimes I give money, or get them a drink on a hot day... a pack of cigarettes. I've come to understand addicts, homeless, street ho's, plain crazy people.

I was at a Thai restaurant a couple months ago. Guy in front of me ordered plain rice. As I ordered, he asked how much to add "some meat". He demurred. I told the hostess to get him anything he wanted on the menu. When I went into the dining room, he invited me to sit with him, so I did. Turned out he was a Marine who'd been blowed up real good in Afghanistan. He had a hole in his head the size of a silver dollar and huge scars all over. He was grateful for his life and my help. When done, I drove him to his place and gave him a few dollars. I felt especially good after that one.

Seeing people leading wretched existences can be very stressful I agree.

 

[susano]

Yeah - every now and then I drive around Charleston to clear my head, especially now with my mom in her last days. If I see someone looking like they're having a bad day, I will offer help... nothing to brag about, but if I can be a five minute bright spot in someone's otherwise lousy day, it makes me feel good. Sometimes I give money, or get them a drink on a hot day... a pack of cigarettes. I've come to understand addicts, homeless, street ho's, plain crazy people.

I was at a Thai restaurant a couple months ago. Guy in front of me ordered plain rice. As I ordered, he asked how much to add "some meat". He demurred. I told the hostess to get him anything he wanted on the menu. When I went into the dining room, he invited me to sit with him, so I did. Turned out he was a Marine who'd been blowed up real good in Afghanistan. He had a hole in his head the size of a silver dollar and huge scars all over. He was grateful for his life and my help. When done, I drove him to his place and gave him a few dollars. I felt especially good after that one.

Seeing people leading wretched existences can be very stressful I agree.

We're of like mind (both of your posts).

While I live in and am from Michigan, I lived a number of years in LA county. On my drive to and from work, through a pretty wretched industrial area with refineries, I saw this bum (old word!) with a dog following behind, a couple of times. I went an bought dog biscuits and stopped my car the next time I saw him. I yelled out, "Sir" and he ignored me so I ran after him and he finally stopped and turned to face me. he was the filthiest person I've ever seen with matted hair and bumps all over his face from the grime. I introduced myself, shook his hand and asked his name and he sort of perked up and said Robert so and so, St Louis, Missouri, with a little flash of self respect and we had a brief conversation. I gave him the biscuits and some money which I said he could for dog food because I figured he'd decline, otherwise. For the next couple of days, I watched for him and the dog and didn't see them and became distraught. I went to the nearest liquor store and inquired about him and they said he was found dead under the bridge. They said another bum took the dog. I cried. Meeting him was one of the most meaningful moments of my entire life and I cry, now, thinking of him. I hope he died with a little bit of knowing that someone respected him. I will always remember him and the doggie.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...Competent and morally honorable people will apply the solution justly.
...

Which tangentially leads to something I have been pondering recently. It is human nature to project our own thoughts and motivations onto others. This is none more true than the Democrats who project every violation, corruption and evil intent upon others, while they are really projecting exactly what they do.

But in a universal sense, the biggest blindside is when those with a decent, honest and benevolent disposition project that upon others. It is the root of the great downfall of America, and Europe as well. Recently described as "toxic pity" here on this forum.

People with a civilized, honest and benevolent disposition are actually rare in the world, and it was just happenstance that the founding of America coincided with those values and people who held them. They documented those lofty goals at the time. The majority of the world does not operate with those values. The majority of the world operates on lies, abuse, scams, theft and murder. It is the ultimate cultural misunderstanding.

This applies directly to the plutocracy who rule the western world. They thrive on secrecy, deception, theft, murder and war as a racket. Their minions run the current Biden Administration.

The rare cultures that held virtue, honesty and truth as honorable have been under attack for decades. Unfortunately, the UK, Europe and America have now fallen. Those values are but a historical footnote, that has been overthrown by modern reality and the immoral plutocracy that rules them.

As far as I can see, the only holdout from this global cancer is Japan. Watch what happens to that last civilized refuge, that last redoubt.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Which tangentially leads to something I have been pondering recently. It is human nature to project our own thoughts and motivations onto others. This is none more true than the Democrats who project every violation, corruption and evil intent upon others, while they are really projecting exactly what they do.

But in a universal sense, the biggest blindside is when those with a decent, honest and benevolent disposition project that upon others. It is the root of the great downfall of America, and Europe as well. Recently described as "toxic pity" here on this forum.

People with a civilized, honest and benevolent disposition are actually rare in the world, and it was just happenstance that the founding of America coincided with those values and people who held them. They documented those lofty goals at the time. The majority of the world does not operate with those values. The majority of the world operates on lies, abuse, scams, theft and murder. It is the ultimate cultural misunderstanding.

This applies directly to the plutocracy who rule the western world. They thrive on secrecy, deception, theft, murder and war as a racket. Their minions run the current Biden Administration.

The rare cultures that held virtue, honesty and truth as honorable have been under attack for decades. Unfortunately, the UK, Europe and America have now fallen. Those values are but a historical footnote, that has been overthrown by modern reality and the immoral plutocracy that rules them.

As far as I can see, the only holdout from this global cancer is Japan. Watch what happens to that last civilized refuge, that last redoubt.

Yes, you are correct.

There have been a number of philosophers and pundits that have contemplated this sad reality.

I've heard both Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh speak about this, just for example.

They make the case that this is why we "lose".

Or, as you have rightly noted, already lost.

Because we cannot comprehend the mind of someone who wishes to destroy us, for the sake of destruction alone.

The tale of the scorpion and the frog comes to mind.

Jean Raspiel in "The Camp of the Saints" addresses this toxic pity, this suicidal sympathy, as well.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yes, you are correct.

There have been a number of philosophers and pundits that have contemplated this sad reality.

I've heard both Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh speak about this, just for example.
...

I suppose I am late to this realization. Part of the fatal flaw.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I suppose I am late to this realization. Part of the fatal flaw.

So are we all.

Being born and raised in what was a, relatively, high trust and free society, I found it a very bitter pill to swallow when I realized that my projections of my outlook on things: mind your business, keep your hands to yourself, be honest and fair in dealings with other people and so on, was not universal, and was, in fact, a tiny minority of people on the planet.

 

[susano]

So are we all.

Being born and raised in what was a, relatively, high trust and free society, I found it a very bitter pill to swallow when I realized that my projections of my outlook on things: mind your business, keep your hands to yourself, be honest and fair in dealings with other people and so on, was not universal, and was, in fact, a tiny minority of people on the planet.

I think the best example of that are the Swedes. It was a nearly crime free, homogeneous country and for some weird reason they believed being nice would work with people from countries where they cut people's heads off and rape is a nothing burger.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's heartwarming to me that you no longer feel comfortable sharing your actual political beliefs here.

I share them all the time, I just answered your stupid question up above.
You hallucinating doesn't change my positions.

Put up quotes or shut up.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I was interested in what you said that I had highlighted in bold:

make believe that only personal property exists and that destroying collective territorial ownership is defending it

What exactly did you mean by that? It caught my attention because some remarks I've seen here, regarding private property vs public or the dastardly "commons" (I'm not a Libertarian but have seen that phrase "the tragedy of the commons). I saw someone here state that the oceans should be divided into private property which is insane but that anyone thinks that way is of interest to me. I don't like the idea of government owned (controlled) but do like the idea of nobody and no entity owning parts of the earth. What all that has to do PAF and his wanting to move about freely (public property) vs his arguments for the right to private property, I'm not clear on (in my own head).

I mean that the open borders anarchists/cryptocommunists make arguments like those found in this thread that claim only personal property lines exist and that enforcing national borders are a violation of their personal property rights to house invaders in their homes (which they would never actually do) or in their rental properties or their businesses.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And while those two are conversing, a third housemate is diligently and continuously bringing more mice into the house ...

Until the house is overrun.
And a 4th is busy cutting holes in the walls to allow more to come in on their own while a 5th keeps leaving food on the floor all over the house to feed them.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I want to lock up the cheese.

I wanted to lock up the cheese in 1988 when I first voted for Ron Paul.

I want a refrigerated safe. Lock up the damned cheese.

You will get less mice, but they will break into the pantry and steal cheese anyway, and they will start to appeal to the children to start leaving cheese around for them and keep them as pets.
Then they will set up nests in the walls and start breeding until you are overrun.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Evict the third housemate.

And the mice and close up the holes.

 

[acptulsa]

You will get less mice, but they will break into the pantry and steal cheese anyway, and they will start to appeal to the children to start leaving cheese around for them and keep them as pets.
Then they will set up nests in the walls and start breeding until you are overrun.

The whole aim of practical politics, is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

 

[osan]

We're of like mind (both of your posts).

While I live in and am from Michigan, I lived a number of years in LA county. On my drive to and from work, through a pretty wretched industrial area with refineries, I saw this bum (old word!) with a dog following behind, a couple of times. I went an bought dog biscuits and stopped my car the next time I saw him. I yelled out, "Sir" and he ignored me so I ran after him and he finally stopped and turned to face me. he was the filthiest person I've ever seen with matted hair and bumps all over his face from the grime. I introduced myself, shook his hand and asked his name and he sort of perked up and said Robert so and so, St Louis, Missouri, with a little flash of self respect and we had a brief conversation. I gave him the biscuits and some money which I said he could for dog food because I figured he'd decline, otherwise. For the next couple of days, I watched for him and the dog and didn't see them and became distraught. I went to the nearest liquor store and inquired about him and they said he was found dead under the bridge. They said another bum took the dog. I cried. Meeting him was one of the most meaningful moments of my entire life and I cry, now, thinking of him. I hope he died with a little bit of knowing that someone respected him. I will always remember him and the doggie.

You know you're killing me here, right?

Bibi and I used to see a similar guy in Philly. We always gave him money. He was always thankful and polite.

Many people won't give money because they "might be scamming". Many are fakes and I'm sure I've been taken more than once. I don't care.

I've been helping people like this since I was 19, my first being in LA as well when I was at USC. I was on a corner on PCH in Redundant Beach. I had been illegally carrying a 9mm pistol because, well... Los Angeles. Guy emerges from a bar, smacking his girlfriend around, she's crying and I was horrified. I was raised to be a gentleman at all times and this was unacceptable. He came in my general direction, she was carrying on as he cursed and slapped her all the way across the road. I finally could stand it no longer, being 19 and abominably stupid, so I told him to stop. He let her go, began walking toward be, telling me he was going to kill me. I produced my sidearm and said "RUN!". He ran. I escorted the young miss (older than I was) home. She kissed me on my cheek, went inside, and I never saw her again.

The second was not long thereafter. I was by the pier by some place called "Cock and Balls" (a rooster and two balls, har har har...) and ran into this ragged young girl who was younger than I. She was hungry and I took her to Jack in the Box. She thanked me and went on her way. She was a teenage hooker, or that's what she told me anyway.

This is what I do sometimes and I apologize to no man for it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think the best example of that are the Swedes. It was a nearly crime free, homogeneous country and for some weird reason they believed being nice would work with people from countries where they cut people's heads off and rape is a nothing burger.

And now what do they have?

Third highest violent crime index in Europe.

 

[TheCount]

I share them all the time, I just answered your stupid question up above.
You hallucinating doesn't change my positions.

Put up quotes or shut up.

It's right there in my signature. Seemed more appropriate than putting it in a single post.