Feds raid Texas political meeting; fingerprint and photograph all attendees, seize phones

[Anti Federalist]

Are the kops okay?

I'm sure the heroes are fine.

 

[Mach]

I look up to them, I would be proud to serve in their administration.

Did you watch the video? 19:00

 

[The Gold Standard]

No, one is the legitimate government

Says who? You?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Land of the free, folks.

 

[KCIndy]

“As if dangerous criminals, many of the Texian people — generally seniors of respected middle-class business, farming, broadcasting, engineering, scientific, health, veterans, and faith-based backgrounds — were one-by-one physically searched on their person and in their vehicles, fingerprinted, detained and then had their personal belongings and property searched and seized,” the Republic of Texas described on its website.

The website noted some of the belongings that were seized by police: “cell phones, iPads, laptops, business papers, Republic of Texas paperwork, coinage and other valuables.”
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No arrests were made, and the matter remains under investigation.

I thought someone had to be arrested first, before fingerprints were allowed to be taken. What's next? Instead of, "your papers - NOW!" are we going to start hearing, "step to the right, and give us your prints!" at random checkpoints?

 

[KCIndy]

Some might say it's actually the government that is simulating the legal process. The Constitution means what the Just Us system say it means.

The police state, bank bailouts and other forms of fascism, spying on everyone with impunity, endless war, unelected bureaucracies essentially writing law, asset forfeiture, property theft (yadda yadda yadda)--the courts sign off on all of it.

There is no justice in this country, and its citizens have no real rights anymore, and for anyone to believe otherwise or assert that its citizens can work within the (corrupt) system is a self-deluded fool or part of the system.

That's it. You have cut straight to the core of the problem.

 

[CPUd]

I thought someone had to be arrested first, before fingerprints were allowed to be taken. What's next? Instead of, "your papers - NOW!" are we going to start hearing, "step to the right, and give us your prints!" at random checkpoints?

The search warrant included prints. It also included DNA, but they didn't take any DNA. What they were doing was getting evidence to find out who produced the fake papers.

 

[pcosmar]

Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.

Who has "authority" in this country?

Hint. "We the People"

 

[pcosmar]

The search warrant included prints. It also included DNA, but they didn't take any DNA. What they were doing was getting evidence to find out who produced the fake papers.

That is a Fishing expedition.

This entire exercise will be thrown out of court. It's only purpose was intimidation.

And if these people are serious about secession,, they need to be ready to fight.
Because this corrupt government is quite willing to kill to keep their power.

They failed to remove the occupying army before attempting to hold court.

This is a mistake others can learn from.

 

[LibForestPaul]

Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.

All it takes is for a small and dedicated group to stop the chain of obedience, and this place folds in an instance.

 

[Professor8000]

The Texas Constitution clearly states in Article 1,
"Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."
and
"Sec. 29. PROVISIONS OF BILL OF RIGHTS EXCEPTED FROM POWERS OF GOVERNMENT; TO FOREVER REMAIN INVIOLATE. To guard against transgressions of the high powers herein delegated, we declare that everything in this "Bill of Rights" is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate, and all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void."

 

[Carson]

What were the charges the man was afraid to face.

 

[Matt Collins]

Who has "authority" in this country?

Hint. "We the People"

The way it is, or the way it should be?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

No, one is the legitimate government, the other is just a group of random people with zero power.

Just because a government is not illegitimate doesn't mean it can't abuse its power, such as it did in this instance.

Define "legitimate", in the sense of government.

 

[Matt Collins]

Says who? You?

It is obvious and thus de facto.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That is a Fishing expedition.

This entire exercise will be thrown out of court. It's only purpose was intimidation.

And if these people are serious about secession,, they need to be ready to fight.
Because this corrupt government is quite willing to kill to keep their power.

Thus endeth this thread.

 

[donnay]

No, one is the legitimate government, the other is just a group of random people with zero power.

Just because a government is not illegitimate doesn't mean it can't abuse its power, such as it did in this instance.

I think you got that ass-backwards there. The US government is the one that is illegitimate. It was hijacked by the Fed in 1913.

 

[CPUd]

That is a Fishing expedition.

This entire exercise will be thrown out of court. It's only purpose was intimidation.

And if these people are serious about secession,, they need to be ready to fight.
Because this corrupt government is quite willing to kill to keep their power.

TX takes threats from sovcit groups seriously, almost as seriously as FL. Especially when a previous group of the same name was violent:

(from 1997):

...
Of the two, only Keyes had charges pending against him. He was wanted on state charges of organized criminal activity and kidnapping in connection with the April 27 kidnapping that sparked the standoff. Acting on apparent orders from McLaren, he and Gregg and Karen Paulson, a married couple who belonged to the group, shot their way into a neighborhood couple's home, holding them as "prisoners of war" for 12 hours. Joe and M.A. Rowe were freed after Texas Rangers arranged the release of another Republic of Texas member, Robert Scheidt, who had been picked up by local deputies that morning on misdemeanor weapons charges.
...

http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N24/atexas.24w.html

If they find the person who was producing the papers, they will put multiple charges on him, and he will take a plea agreement to stay out of prison. This is because the person will spend 6 months or so filing sovcit mumbo jumbo instead of getting a real lawyer or at least making a real argument about how the scope of the search warrant was too broad, and the evidence they got from the phones is inadmissible.

 

[JK/SEA]

It is obvious and thus de facto.

but you must agree, we have the right to abolish government correct?...silly point i know...

 

[Matt Collins]

but you must agree, we have the right to abolish government correct?...silly point i know...

Absolutely. And we have the right to secede. But only under extreme circumstances, not for "light and transient reasons"