Feds grant EMINENT DOMAIN as collateral to China for US debts![Mod Note: Unconfirmed]

[Mini-Me]

I disagree. The good people who understand what is going on are already on board with us. The bad people who understand what is going on are the cause of our economic troubles. The 80% of the population that doesn't "get it" will get even more pissed at "the government" when their financial situation becomes much worse. They will never be able to rub their neurons together to figure out that a group like us could ever accomplish that. If they ever did, they would have to see the inherent problems with a system that could allow for something like that to happen. Thankfully, we have public school and college "economics" courses to make sure that no one will ever know enough to place the blame on us.

I still stand by my original assessment...media scapegoating would make the bank-runners out to be the only culprits (because it's convenient), and I really do think that most people are stupid enough to completely miss the point about the system's inherent insolvency. All a talking head would have to do is say that such-and-such collapse would never have happened if not for the people who planned a bank run...and yes, in their outrage, people would actually believe them. Remember, these are the same people who mindlessly parroted the notion that Osama attacked the US and convinced a bunch of young guys to martyr themselves simply because they "hate our freedoms."

This is a REALLY bad idea, and if we ever did it - which I'm confident most won't - it would dramatically set us back in terms of public opinion, just when people were finally beginning to open their eyes.

If the monetary system is forced down on our terms instead of theirs, there is a better chance that a sound money system will grow up out of the rubble. If "They" are allowed to destroy things according to their plan, the chances of honest money replacing the Federal Reserve Note are very slim.

We must be very careful because both our goal of honest money and their goal of a global ponzi scheme both require the collapse of our economic system. We do not want our efforts to help "Them".

Bank collapses cause deflation. The dollar collapse will ultimately be caused by the inflation the government and fed are pumping into the economy, which will eventually spread around (and if banks don't lend, Bernanke will just hop in his helicopter). Of course, it's possible the dollar will survive this entire economic crisis and the incessant "stimulus" packages...and I actually imagine it will, considering the way foreign currencies are performing even poorer in comparison and foreign countries are ironically seeking temporary safe haven in the reserve currency. If it does survive the next couple years, the dollar will instead crash later on, probably due to a combination of inflation created to pay off the national debt (and entitlements like Social Security) and international exporters finally deciding they've had enough of the inflation and moving out of dollars.

In any case: If "their" plan is to wait for a dollar collapse to create a new currency, causing a bank run doesn't seem very likely to change their timetable. If "their" plan is to introduce a currency before a dollar collapse - i.e. at any conceivable time - then causing a bank run will be even less likely to screw up "their" timetable. Besides, what makes you think "they" don't hope we do something stupid like this? I asked before who the moron was that thought of it...because I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone with any kind of community standing. (What I really mean is: How do you know that a real Ron Paul supporter came up with the idea, as opposed to someone trying to destroy the reputation of Ron Paul supporters? A warning about the phrase "agent provocateur" comes to mind.)

In any case, the longer it takes before the dollar crashes and a new currency is introduced, the longer we have to affect public opinion...and that's a good thing. We're finally making some inroads now, and that's something I don't think anyone in the establishment ever expected in a million years. People are finally starting to listen to us...let's not squander the opportunity.

 

[s35wf]

This is a REALLY bad idea, and if we ever did it - which I'm confident most won't - it would dramatically set us back in terms of public opinion, just when people were finally beginning to open their eyes.



Bank collapses cause deflation. The dollar collapse will ultimately be caused by the inflation the government and fed are pumping into the economy, which will eventually spread around (and if banks don't lend, Bernanke will just hop in his helicopter). Of course, it's possible the dollar will survive this entire economic crisis and the incessant "stimulus" packages...and I actually imagine it will, considering the way foreign currencies are performing even poorer in comparison and foreign countries are ironically seeking temporary safe haven in the reserve currency. If it does survive the next couple years, the dollar will instead crash later on, probably due to a combination of inflation created to pay off the national debt (and entitlements like Social Security) and international exporters finally deciding they've had enough of the inflation and moving out of dollars.

In any case: If "their" plan is to wait for a dollar collapse to create a new currency, causing a bank run doesn't seem very likely to change their timetable. If "their" plan is to introduce a currency before a dollar collapse - i.e. at any conceivable time - then causing a bank run will be even less likely to screw up "their" timetable. Besides, what makes you think "they" don't hope we do something stupid like this? I asked before who the moron was that thought of it...because I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone with any kind of community standing. (What I really mean is: How do you know that a real Ron Paul supporter came up with the idea, as opposed to someone trying to destroy the reputation of Ron Paul supporters? A warning about the phrase "agent provocateur" comes to mind.)

In any case, the longer it takes before the dollar crashes and a new currency is introduced, the longer we have to affect public opinion...and that's a good thing. We're finally making some inroads now, and that's something I don't think anyone in the establishment ever expected in a million years. People are finally starting to listen to us...let's not squander the opportunity.[/QUOTE

^^^thank u Mini Me for being a voice of reason. I really would like the shtf scenario to NOT happen. besides how could RP'ers have a bank run now? Didnt we all take our frn's out of the bank long ago????

 

[power]

"FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS!"

One of the key clauses is the section 3A-143, sub-section 142 :

Section 3A-143, sub-section 142:

...All of said land granted to eminent domainee [China] in lieu of debt repayments must reside in selected locations in Southern Florida. Said land grants shall be certified to not have a shortage of water. The eminent doaminee shall be assured of opportunities for boating, sunshine, and various water sports...

 

[Deborah K]

I have to say that I think this thread takes the record for "highest percentage of posts containing comments redacting by a moderator." I agree with hillbilly...most sheriffs in the US may not come anywhere near Sheriff Mack, but ultimately, I don't think they - or the vast majority of the US population - would be very happy about a significant amount of land stolen and given to China. Ultimately, the power of the government relies on the consent and cooperation of the people, and as docile as Americans have been over the past century, I think that may be starting to change. If eminent domain were ever used for this purpose on a large enough scale and people actually found out about it (and how wouldn't they, really?), I think that would seriously spark widespread civil disobedience and possibly secession.

Yes, but are you aware of the multi-national corporations that are buying up land in Texas in order to build the NAFTA superhighway? Ask the sovereign citizens of Texas how many of them were actually aware that it wasn't even Americans who were buying up their lands - through eminent domain. http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-us-borders-going-going-gone-december-b/ TPTB are clever, they use strawmen, they use diversion and distraction. And it works on the sleeping majority. That is what scares me about the OP. I hope it turns out to be untrue. If it is true, then we need to start mass emailing.

And someone else on this thread mentioned that the Supremes would never go for it. OH REALLY? Then please explain their ruling in 2005 which expands eminent domain to include public seizure of private land for use by private entities. At the very least, it is a perversion of the constitutional eminent domain.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html

Edit: Here is the link to the inland ports that will be used for this Superhighway: http://www.nascocorridor.com/naipn/pages/participants.html

 

[LibertyEagle]

"FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS!"

One of the key clauses is the section 3A-143, sub-section 142 :

Section 3A-143, sub-section 142:

...All of said land granted to eminent domainee [China] in lieu of debt repayments must reside in selected locations in Southern Florida. Said land grants shall be certified to not have a shortage of water. The eminent doaminee shall be assured of opportunities for boating, sunshine, and various water sports...

Please cite and link to your source.

Thanks.

 

[ItsTime]

I want to be like the cool kids

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[ImpeachKingGeorgeII]

Please cite and link to your source.

Thanks.

I think power meant his "clause" as sarcasm

 

[Deborah K]

Here's a picture of what I'm referring to in my previous post.

This is serious. If China is going to be allowed to buy up our land like these other multi-national corporations can, we are screwed people!!

 

[Deborah K]

Uh oh! Watch this: Chinese scoop up SoCal Foreclosures http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around..._Scoop_Up_SoCal_Foreclosures_Los_Angeles.html

 

[ArchPaul]

Uh oh! Watch this: Chinese scoop up SoCal Foreclosures http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around..._Scoop_Up_SoCal_Foreclosures_Los_Angeles.html

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around..._Scoop_Up_SoCal_Foreclosures_Los_Angeles.html

FTFY

 

[Deborah K]

oye!!!!

The Chinese are coming, to buy bargain US homes
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BEIJING (AP) - Beijing lawyer Ying Guohua is heading to the United States on a shopping trip, looking not for designer clothes or jewelry, but for a $1 million home in New York City or Los Angeles.
He expects to get a bargain. Ying is part of a growing number of Chinese who are joining tours
organized especially for investors who want to take advantage of slumping U.S. real estate prices amid a financial crisis.
«It's a great time to buy because of the financial crisis, and houses in large cities like New York and Los Angeles will definitely go up in a few years,» Ying said. The home is an investment, but he's also planning long-term: He hopes his 5-year-old son might use it if he goes to college in the United States.
While China's ultra-rich have been buying property in the U.S. for years, the buying tours are new, made attractive by still-rising Chinese income levels and American real estate prices that have been falling for two and a half years.
More than 100 Chinese buyers have joined such tours since late 2008, according to Chen Hang, the China-born vice president of real estate at Fortune Group. The Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, company shows foreclosed commercial property to Chinese buyers.
«The Chinese are going to seize the opportunity to take advantage of some great deals,» Chen said......Read on http://www.pr-inside.com/the-chinese-are-coming-to-buy-r1056560.htm

 

[Kraig]

The people who are directly harmed by eminent domain rarely stand for it anyways, it's the masses who aren't hurt and therefore don't care that allow it to happen.

 

[fj45lvr]

To all of the people that want to be apart of a coordinated withdrawl to be a "run on the bank" ....you should already have your money out now!!!

 

[muh_roads]

Here's a picture of what I'm referring to in my previous post.

This is serious. If China is going to be allowed to buy up our land like these other multi-national corporations can, we are screwed people!!

I make many trips from Mpls to Duluth and I can confirm something major is being constructed. Massively wide overpasses. Traffic in the summers is especially bad at a certain junction where this work has begun. It's pretty slow paced though, that corner of the cities has been worked on for a few years.

It feels separate from MNDOT construction because MNDOT actually finishes a project and does it relatively fast considering.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Feds grant EMINENT DOMAIN as collateral to China for US debts![Mod Note: Unconfirme

Uh oh! Watch this: Chinese scoop up SoCal Foreclosures http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around..._Scoop_Up_SoCal_Foreclosures_Los_Angeles.html

Not just the Chinese... The rumors are from affiliated companies and subsidiaries of the Corporate Banks are buying up prime real estate around the nation, so when UNCLE SUGAR spends the People's money of TRILLIONS on Bank and Mortgage Bailouts... the Banks are primed to profit on the upswing when the prices are artificially inflated.(helps gov in taxes/fees/gains and Banks debt/bottom lines)

The Swindle Continues by Government & Banks.

 

[Zippyjuan]

In the 1980s it was the Japanese buying prime US real estate. You cannot take this land and export it or exercise sovereignty over it. It is still part of the US and subject to US laws. How is that going to hurt us? It shows that the US is still a great place to invest.

 

[Deborah K]

In the 1980s it was the Japanese buying prime US real estate. You cannot take this land and export it or exercise sovereignty over it. It is still part of the US and subject to US laws. How is that going to hurt us? It shows that the US is still a great place to invest.

Not when you consider that our corrupt gov't can be bought. Congress, with the aid of the Supremes, can and does enact laws that benefit multinational corporations. See my above posts.

 

[Zippyjuan]

.China has more influence from buying Treasuries than they could possibly gain from buying property. Property is being bought by individuals and businesses- not the government of China. They are buying property as investments- not to buy influence.

 

[Knighted]

In the 1980s it was the Japanese buying prime US real estate. You cannot take this land and export it or exercise sovereignty over it. It is still part of the US and subject to US laws. How is that going to hurt us? It shows that the US is still a great place to invest.

Exactly. I think people are simply buying into fear mongering here again. If you ask me, we could only be so lucky if the Chinese decided to spend some of those US dollars they've been hording for the last few years on property here. It would provide a boost to the housing market without the real repercussions that the government's meddling will cause.

 

[Deborah K]

Exactly. I think people are simply buying into fear mongering here again. If you ask me, we could only be so lucky if the Chinese decided to spend some of those US dollars they've been hording for the last few years on property here. It would provide a boost to the housing market without the real repercussions that the government's meddling will cause.

Globalize much?