FBI Video- "Complete, Unedited Video of Joint FBI and OSP Operation 01/26/2016"

[PursuePeace]

Sound quality is bad. Pretty much confirms Victoria's account:

 

[Chester Copperpot]

As a person who did professional edits, I find the redaction highly suspicious--meaning this tape was edited before it got to the public.

i dont even know what SMPTE timecodes are so im glad you mentioned this

 

[phill4paul]

Sound quality is bad. Pretty much confirms Victoria's account:

McConnel was either an agent or an informant. There is no longer any doubt.

 

[Deborah K]

Yeah, I knew it. I go through a few pages of SquarePusher's posts and see he posts exactly like ZippyJuan, The Count, PRB, Sam I Am, and MaybeMaybeNot. Nothing more than unoriginal contrary posts to everything. He then plays the pantywaist prejudice card as if I give a crap.

Hey Square, you're disappointing. I thought you Jews were smart. There; I gave that one to you. Put that in your little sissy boy head games file.

You forgot mrsat_ or whatever his name is...

 

[Deborah K]

I have a hard time picturing Santilli as an FBI informant.

Same here. Not buying it.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

try and not follow the fascist narrative. Most of your concerns have already been discussed, and the narrative your parroting is lies, and brainwashing tactics used by the FBI and their cohorts

People have to be smart. How is my narrative a lie and what narrative am I parroting? The fact of the matter this was a massive failure from start to finish and was ill-conceived. Don't listen to vets like me and Gunny though...we don't know shit.

 

[Deborah K]

Here's some perspective for you bootlickers:




This was said before the murder. But it puts this whole cause into perspective. Take the time to watch the whole thing. If it doesn't affect you, you're heartless.

 

[Deborah K]

People have to be smart. How is my narrative a lie and what narrative am I parroting? The fact of the matter this was a massive failure from start to finish and was ill-conceived. Don't listen to vets like me and Gunny though...we don't know shit.

You're missing the entire point.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You're missing the entire point.

If the point is to needlessly die and get arrested, then yes, I missed it. Our numbers aren't limitless, but sure, don't listen to folks like me and Gunny about why this whole thing was extremely amateur and riddled with mistakes from the beginning. Instead of using this as a barometer of things not to do, people just make excuses, or attack the character of posters. I'm not in the business of wanting fellow travelers to put themselves into a losing position. Have to fight smart, and understand that once you take arms, you are at war and you MUST act like it or it's just a waste of lives and time.

 

[Deborah K]

If the point is to needlessly die and get arrested, then yes, I missed it. Our numbers aren't limitless, but sure, don't listen to folks like me and Gunny about why this whole thing was extremely amateur and riddled with mistakes from the beginning. Instead of using this as a barometer of things not to do, people just make excuses, or attack the character of posters. I'm not in the business of wanting fellow travelers to put themselves into a losing position. Have to fight smart, and understand that once you take arms, you are at war and you MUST act like it or it's just a waste of lives and time.

The point is not whether the tactics used to exercise civil disobedience were right or wrong. The point is that this tyranny we live under includes the BLM abusing Ranchers. I'm sure you have an opinion about the Boston Massacre as well. Or the Boston Tea Party. I'm sure there were plenty of people like you criticizing those tactics as well. The whole point - the WHOLE point - is that people will be killed in cold blood by our government for protesting its tyranny.

Educate yourself on what is going on and try to help instead of criticizing people are who just ordinary citizens trying to take a peaceful stand and getting murdered for it! I've started a thread on it: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?489375-Ranchers-in-the-West-and-the-BLM

 

[phill4paul]

If the point is to needlessly die and get arrested, then yes, I missed it. Our numbers aren't limitless, but sure, don't listen to folks like me and Gunny about why this whole thing was extremely amateur and riddled with mistakes from the beginning. Instead of using this as a barometer of things not to do, people just make excuses, or attack the character of posters. I'm not in the business of wanting fellow travelers to put themselves into a losing position. Have to fight smart, and understand that once you take arms, you are at war and you MUST act like it or it's just a waste of lives and time.

I too was in agreement with Gunny. But, the time for that debate is past. And as ill-planned as the op was it may yet bring a treasure trove of intel. I have heard that information was gleaned from records at the refuge and that these records are being vetted before release. Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundy's nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.

 

[youngbuck]

Sound quality is bad. Pretty much confirms Victoria's account:

Here is a version with better sound quality.. one that doesn't make your ears bleed.

http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/...gic-ambush-and-murder-of-lavoy-finicum-video/

 

[Deborah K]

I too was in agreement with Gunny. But, the time for that debate is past. And as ill-planned as the op was it may yet bring a treasure trove of intel. I have heard that information was gleaned from records at the refuge and that these records are being vetted before release. Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundy's nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.

Exactly. And they were infiltrated. I'm convinced of it.

 

[Deborah K]

Sound quality is bad. Pretty much confirms Victoria's account:

They recorded what was going on while it was going on, she says. And of course, the pigs took it.

 

[Deborah K]

dupe

 

[pcosmar]

You're missing the entire point.

nearly

but he is making another one.. or several.

there are things we do not and can not discuss here,, even as academic debate. and there are good reasons for that.

Forget the idea of peaceful protest though,, it will not be allowed.

if you don't expect violence from "our" government,,,, then you are scared of the wrong dog.

 

[phill4paul]

Here is a version with better sound quality.. one that doesn't make your ears bleed.

http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/...gic-ambush-and-murder-of-lavoy-finicum-video/

Thanks and +rep. I'll listen to it after I've cleaned the dried blood from my ears from listening to the first one.

 

[Deborah K]

Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundy's nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.

I'm putting this in my sig. This needs repeating! This is the whole point. People need to watch the tubes and articles that the Ranchers have been publishing the last few years. Shit just got real.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The point is not whether the tactics used to exercise civil disobedience were right or wrong. The point is that this tyranny we live under includes the BLM abusing Ranchers. I'm sure you have an opinion about the Boston Massacre as well. Or the Boston Tea Party. I'm sure there were plenty of people like you criticizing those tactics as well. The whole point - the WHOLE point - is that people will be killed in cold blood by our government for protesting its tyranny.

Educate yourself on what is going on and try to help instead of criticizing people are who just ordinary citizens trying to take a peaceful stand and getting murdered for it! I've started a thread on it: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?489375-Ranchers-in-the-West-and-the-BLM

One - we're talking past each other. Two - who is talking about right/wrong? Three - I'm fully aware of the Potomac's violations, but again, that's not what I'm talking about.

The point is Finicum needlessly died, and those III'ers there are 1) irresponsible at the least and 2) woefully untrained at best and 3) Did not accurately assess the situation they put themselves into and not so incidentally got burned for it.

But hey, don't listen to me, I only was responsible for SIPR, EKMS, our compartments OPSEC/COMSEC, etc. and am well aware of when and where to divulge and not divulge information. The people at the refuge should have never put anything on youtube - the Feds have to be laughing and 2) should have never had any "media" independent or not on the premises and 3) should have followed strict COMSEC to not give more for the Feds to throw at you if you so happen to fall into their hands.

Throwing lives and time away is not going to accomplish what you think it is. Our founders weren't that dumb, otherwise we would have gotten destroyed before 1775, let alone fight pitched battles in advantageous positions utilizing good intelligence and not air-horning ours away to the "enemy".

Pcosmar understands...and so does Gunny. Should at least take a moment to try and understand what us vets are trying to lay out...

 

[phill4paul]

They recorded what was going on while it was going on, she says. And of course, the pigs took it.

Of course they did. They also laid the ambush on the back roads where there was no cell phone coverage. They intend to create the narrative and will destroy any proof that invalidates it.