FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

Sonny Tufts said:
Unless you've seen the documents that were retrieved in the execution of the warrant, you have no basis whatsoever to characterize it as a minor paperwork issue. That is simply wishful thinking on your part because you've apparently bought into the myth that the DOJ is always wrong and Trump is beyond reproach.

If it was so petty, pray tell why did Trump resist turning over the docs for over a year? And why did he fail to comply with the subpoena? And why did the search warrant uncover twice as many docs with classified markings in a couple of hours than Trump returned to the FBI after its month-long so-called diligent search?

The Art of the Con, indeed.
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You should have stopped at the end of the bold. We are still arguing about imaginary, speculative subjects related to Trump. Feels just like the last 6 years.
 
ClaytonB said:
Exactly... by not updating Obama's EO, Trump nullified his own de-classification decision....

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And they took clothing, and went through Melania's closet. I thought that last was supposed to be sarcasm originally.
 
ClaytonB said:
When you're claiming that the information you're seizing is so secret that it's above POTUS's pay-grade... something is out-of-whack...
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So, you're saying, that all this time, there was a secret organization that operates at a level even above the United States??

My guess, its the Illuminati :cool:
 
TheTexan said:
So, you're saying, that all this time, there was a secret organization that operates at a level even above the United States??

My guess, its the Illuminati :cool:
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Klaus Schwab and George Soros have super-mega-ultra-top secret clearance, so they can see anything. Very few have that level of clearance. Usually reserved for those with top clearance and a "need to know". Also can be seen by the head of the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, the Obamas, select members of the press, select FBI agents, select DOJ employees and every FBI agent and beat cop that was in on the search. All of these people have a higher clearance than Trump.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Klaus Schwab and George Soros have super-mega-ultra-top secret clearance, so they can see anything. Very few have that level of clearance. Usually reserved for those with top clearance and a "need to know". Also can be seen by the head of the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, the Obamas, select members of the press, select FBI agents, select DOJ employees and every FBI agent and beat cop that was in on the search. All of these people have a higher clearance than Trump.
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Don't forget Schiff, but only when he's in a SCIF.
 
ClaytonB said:
When you're claiming that the information you're seizing is so secret that it's above POTUS's pay-grade... something is out-of-whack...
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1. Trump isn't POTUS. And the issue isn't that the stuff is above his pay grade. It's that he has no right to possess it and to leave it lying around his house where any guest of his might sneak some out. Recall there were empty classified folders among the material taken in the execution of the warrant.

2. The only person who stole anything was Trump. The seized materials belong to the federal government, excluding some personal stuff.
 
Sonny Tufts said:
1. Trump isn't POTUS. And the issue isn't that the stuff is above his pay grade. It's that he has no right to possess it and to leave it lying around his house where any guest of his might sneak some out. Recall there were empty classified folders among the material taken in the execution of the warrant.

2. The only person who stole anything was Trump. The seized materials belong to the federal government, excluding some personal stuff.
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ProTrump media doesn't mention the most glaring and important fact. The GAO is not "unpolitical". It is an office of the executive which does what the executive tells them to do. This is like saying the White House chef is "unpolitical" but it doesn't mean the chef can disobey the President's request to serve rib eye for dinner. When Trump told the GAO warehouse workers to carry and transport these boxes to MAL on January 20 that is the DAY of Biden's inauguration. It is less than 24 hours after Trump, on his LAST DAY of being President, issued that memo which nobody had any time to act upon, at the same time, while he is still the executive, the GAO transports these boxes to MAL.

The Trump campaign of course would like us to believe that most if not all that caused this raid has to do with Operation Hurricane, but does that really make sense? Not in the least does it make any sense at all. Trump wouldn't want to remove those documents from the National Archives because they are his proofs. They wouldn't even be on National Archives/DOJ/FBI's list to begin with if they were declassified unless Trump thought he could keep all the unredacted originals for himself and then serve them up with heavily redacted copies - a complete absurdity that is criminal. So, let's say he didn't do that. Let's say he left the original unredacted OH docs at DC but took copies of them, redacted or not, to MAL. If that happened, he would have nothing they don't already have but that would also still be a crime because he would have classified documents in his possession that have not been declassified (because of the heavy redactions). But the real problem here is that the DOJ has already outlined the markers on the documents that impelled the warrant to be issued - and we know there are many documents that have nothing at all to do with OH or domestic affairs.

The best thing Republicans can do is denounce Trump when the evidence is made more clear (and simplified for the public) -- and move on before it's too late, because another Trump candidacy is just another loss. He will never get enough votes in enough states to win.
 
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Sonny Tufts said:
1. Trump isn't POTUS. And the issue isn't that the stuff is above his pay grade. It's that he has no right to possess it and to leave it lying around his house where any guest of his might sneak some out. Recall there were empty classified folders among the material taken in the execution of the warrant.

2. The only person who stole anything was Trump. The seized materials belong to the federal government, excluding some personal stuff.
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I guess it just keeps going back to the same issue -- everybody at the table is bluffing and we're not going to know who takes the pot home until the cards are dealt.

Gentlemen, play your cards!!
 
Snowball said:
The best thing Republicans can do is denounce Trump when the evidence is made more clear (and simplified for the public) -- and move on before it's too late, because another Trump candidacy is just another loss. He will never get enough votes in enough states to win.
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Yea but this is also a game that the left has played repeatedly. Accuse something of Trump and have it hanging over his head, all the while saying "you can't prove he's innocent!!", and we're all expected to assume that he's either guilty or has a good chance of guilty, until inevitably it comes out some time later (after elections), that it was all a hoax.

They've done this too many times to even take it seriously.
 
Matt Collins said:
Remember in 2016 when the left flipped out after Trump said in a debate that he would put Hillary in prison if he got elected?

The left accused him of threatening to weaponize the justice system against a political enemy...
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Gee, if only Trunp actually kept that promise during his campaign. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the receiving end of this FBI raid. It's his own damn fault why this happened.
 
Hmmm. Wonder where that binder has been since Trump left office?

“They were making contacts and bumping Trump people going back to March 2016,” a source told the outlet. “They were sending people around the UK, Australia, Italy — the Mossad in Italy. The MI6 was working at an intelligence school they had set up.”

A GCHQ spokesperson told the outlet that claims it was “asked to conduct ‘wire tapping’ against the then president-elect are nonsense.”

Intelligence related to the alleged surveillance effort is housed in a “10-inch binder,” according to the outlet, which Trump, 77, ordered to be declassified at the end of his presidency and could contain evidence that “multiple US intelligence officials broke laws against spying and election interference.”

The whereabouts of the alleged thick binder are unknown.
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https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/news/...s-before-2016-russia-collusion-claims-report/
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Brian4Liberty said:
U.S. Government Is Hiding Documents That Incriminate Intelligence Community For Illegal Spying And Election Interference, Say Sources
Former CIA Director Gina Haspel blocked the release of “binder” with evidence that may identify her role in the Trump-Russia collusion hoax
By MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER, MATT TAIBBI, AND ALEX GUTENTAG - FEB 14, 2024

Last December 15th, as Americans decorated trees, lit Menorahs, and prepared to tune out for winter holidays, CNN ran an extraordinary article titled, “The mystery of the missing binder: How a collection of raw Russian intelligence disappeared under Trump.”

Co-authored by Natasha Bertrand, the gargantuan expose claimed a mysterious “binder” of “highly classified information related to Russian election interference” went “missing” in the chaotic waning days of Donald Trump’s presidency in January 2021, raising concerns that some of America’s most “closely guarded national security secrets… could be exposed.”

CNN and its intelligence sources meant “exposure” in a bad way. Sources have told Public and Racket, however, that the secrets officials worry might be “exposed” are ones that would implicate them in widespread abuses of intelligence authority dating back to the 2015-2016 election season.

“I would call [the binder] Trump’s insurance policy,” said someone knowledgeable about the case. “He was very concerned about having it and taking it with him because it was the road map” of Russiagate.

Transgressions range from Justice Department surveillance of domestic political targets without probable cause to the improper unmasking of a pre-election conversation between a Trump official and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to WMD-style manipulation of intelligence for public reports on alleged Russian “influence activities.”

The CNN report claimed intelligence officials were concerned about the disclosure of “sources and methods that informed the U.S. government’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election.”

They should be concerned. The story of how a team “hand-picked” by CIA Director John Brennan relied on “cooked intelligence” to craft that January 6th, 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment is the subject of tomorrow’s story, the last in this three-part series.

Corruption, not tradecraft, is what officials are desperate to keep secret.

The ”missing binder” story has several variants. Sources offer differing answers on the question of whether anything of consequence is missing. They give mixed accounts of Trump’s frantic last efforts to declassify Russia-related material.

But nearly everyone Public and Racket spoke to agreed that the tale obscured a broader and more important story.

Dating back to the release of the so-called “Nunes memo” in 2018 exposing the corruption of the FISA application process, senior intelligence officials, including Trump’s CIA Director, Gina Haspel, have repeatedly blocked attempts to declassify information about the Trump-Russia investigation.

They had good reason to obstruct the release of these documents.
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