FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[MENTION=41772]Sonny Tufts[/MENTION]

I think you mean to ask if I believe Biden got more popular votes than any other President in history. That's what the certified election results indicate, and I see no reason to disbelieve them. Trump got more votes than any other President in history. Should I disbelieve his totals?
 
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/29/top-agent-exits-fbi-amid-charge-political-bias-und/

https://justthenews.com/government/...pened-trump-investigation-reportedly-escorted

Whistleblowers alleged that Thibault concealed the partisan nature of evidence from FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland to secure their approval to open an investigation into former President Donald Trump. That investigation culminated in the FBI’s raid on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month.

The public release of the affidavit that accompanied the search warrant revealed the warrant application relied heavily on information from news articles, including a CBS Miami piece titled “Moving Trucks Spotted At Mar-a-Lago” and a Breitbart News article in which former Trump adviser Kash Patel discussed the classified status of documents the bureau previously removed from the estate on behalf of the National Archives.

LOL when will the FBI / DOJ authoritarian shills in this thread just give up?
 
LOL when will the FBI / DOJ authoritarian shills in this thread just give up?

The article at the justthenews link says, "Whistleblowers alleged that Thibault concealed the partisan nature of evidence from FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland to secure their approval to open an investigation into former President Donald Trump in 2020 unrelated to the raid, according to information made public by Sen. Charles Grassley."

Where did the sentence "That investigation culminated in the FBI’s raid on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month." come from?
 
Interesting information in the DOJ’s response to Trump’s motion for a Special Master. It seems the grand jury subpoena served on Trump’s representative in May requested not just classified documents, but all documents bearing classification markings. In June, the representative made a sworn certification to the DOJ that to the best of his knowledge a diligent search had been made and all documents responsive to the subpoena had been given to the DOJ and that no copy of any responsive document had been retained.

But there were documents at Mar-a-Lago that were responsive to the subpoena that weren’t produced. That is apparently what precipitated the search warrant.

It doesn’t matter whether the documents had been declassified; if they bore classification markings they should have been turned over. But they weren’t.

According to the DOJ filing, Trump’s so-called “diligent search” somehow failed to discover and turn over more than 100 documents with classification markings that the FBI discovered in a matter of hours, over twice the number of documents with classification markings that Trump’s people had weeks to discover and deliver.

The response can be read here: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/politics/read-doj-response-trump-special-master/index.html
 
CONFIRMED: As Gateway Pundit Reported — FBI Doctored Mar-a-Lago Photo, Added Their Own Docs that DON’T MATCH INVENTORY REPORTS

By Jim Hoft
Published September 3, 2022 at 6:35pm

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The FBI created a fake crime scene at Mar-a-Lago by adding their own documents to the scene and doctoring the photo they released in their report and to the press.

As The Gateway Pundit reported earlier — This is against the law.

The DOJ responded in a lawsuit this week to President Trump’s request to a Florida Court to review the FBI raid of his iconic property Mar-a-Lago.

In the DOJ’s response, the DOJ included a document they claim was taken at Mar-a-Lago during their raid.

The photo was all over the news on Wednesday, August 31, the day after it was provided to the court.

The Independent made fun of the Time Magazine cover on the right side of the photo that the DOJ apparently wanted to include in the photo so that they could show that President Trump is so vain. There was no need for this Time Magazine piece in the picture.

The Daily Mail said “Trump KEPT framed Time cover of ‘enemies’ knocking at his window among the collection of classified files – including documents marked ‘Top Secret’ and those based on ‘human intelligence’ – sprawled across Mar-a-Lago”.

This was all a lie. The FBI created the crime scene, inserted their own documents, and then photoshopped the document. What a disgrace.
1. We know that the FBI wanted to make this look like a crime scene.
We know this because at the bottom of the photo provided to the court there is the number 2A, indicating that this was a crime scene photo as well as a type of tape measure across the bottom of the photo. The corrupt FBI threw the photos on the floor themselves. They staged this.

We know this because the containers were right next door. The documents would have been placed on a table had the FBI wanted to take a picture of the documents. Showing them as scattered across the floor is for show to indicate they were found this way, a lie we explain below. Also, the cabinets are right next to the documents, which is likely where they were stored. They weren’t stored on the floor.

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2. The FBI inserted documents into the photo.
The cover sheets in the above photo that were red, yellow, and brown were inserted by the FBI. They are the FBI’s cover sheets. We know this for various reasons. The Trump White House did not need these cover sheets in the documents they held because they had their own cover sheets.

If you look closely at the photo above, the document right above the 2A is folded back. The papers are stapled together as they should be. If you look at that batch you see there already was a cover sheet on that document. It says “Please store in…”. That is the real cover sheet.

The red, yellow, and brown cover sheets were inserted. If you look closely at the yellow cover sheets, they are paper clipped to the documents. The documents would have been stapled. They are paperclipped because they were inserted by the FBI.

Also, the front cover sheet in brown, showing SCI, says the following wording:

Handling, storage, reproduction, and distribution of the attached document must be in accordance with the applicable executive orders statutes and agency implementing regulations.

Continued...
 


My takeaway from that: The President has the constitutional authority to classify or declassify anything he wants. But everyone else in government can ignore him, and thus he really doesn't have any authority. That is the case they are making.

Trump: I want steak for dinner!

Waiter: Yes, sir!

DOJ: Trump did not get steak for dinner that night. Maybe the waiter didn't take his order to the kitchen, maybe the cook didn't want to cook it. Maybe they ran out of steak. Maybe they cooked the steak, but a dog grabbed it and ran away. Regardless, there was no steak that night, thus Trump did not really, truly, and legally order steak.
 


This video is very instructive. Timestamp @3:35 contains the crux of their bullshit argument -- they are trying to conflate POTUS, who is the embodiment and personification of the Executive branch, with an "original classifier", which is just a Federal office designated by POTUS as a classifying authority. The key phrase is "This includes the President". And that's the constitutional battle that has to be fought here. Executive privilege inheres in the individual, not the office. It is true that executive privilege does not extend beyond the term of the presidency, but all of the information pertaining to POTUS's activities, for the duration of their presidency, is privileged executive information and does not stop being privileged executive information after the term of the presidency.

For the blockheaded Wokists out there, the simple litmus test is to ask yourself whether (a) the information in question is something that POTUS had legitimate access to during their presidency, and (b) POTUS could be "made to forget" this information upon leaving office. In the case of (a), POTUS has automatic and unrestricted access to all information in the Executive; and in the case of (b) if you want to assert that some particular document "could not be declassified upon leaving office", you must explain how the information is to be extracted from POTUS's brain since he can simply read the document one minute before leaving office and write down what he read one minute after leaving office.

This idea of trying to make POTUS into "just another Federal employee" who happens to be in charge of all the Federal employees in the Executive is the core constitutional argument here. POTUS is the check-and-balance of the Executive, imbued in a single, solitary individual. And that is by design. The Judiciary is 9 people, the Legislative 535 and the Executive is 1. This is a blatant attempt to create some kind of "zombie POTUS" that is permanently attached to the puppet-strings of the very bureaucracy which he is supposed to be the executive of. Pure insanity.
 
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This video is very instructive. Timestamp @3:35 contains the crux of their bullshit argument -- they are trying to conflate POTUS, who is the embodiment and personification of the Executive branch, with an "original classifier", which is just a Federal office designated by POTUS as a classifying authority. The key phrase is "This includes the President". And that's the constitutional battle that has to be fought here. Executive privilege inheres in the individual, not the office. It is true that executive privilege does not extend beyond the term of the presidency, but all of the information pertaining to POTUS's activities, for the duration of their presidency, is privileged executive information and does not stop being privileged executive information after the term of the presidency.

For the blockheaded Wokists out there, the simple litmus test is to ask yourself whether (a) the information in question is something that POTUS had legitimate access to during their presidency, and (b) POTUS could be "made to forget" this information upon leaving office. In the case of (a), POTUS has automatic and unrestricted access to all information in the Executive; and in the case of (b) if you want to assert that some particular document "could not be declassified upon leaving office", you must explain how the information is to be extracted from POTUS's brain since he can simply read the document one minute before leaving office and write down what he read one minute after leaving office.

This idea of trying to make POTUS into "just another Federal employee" who happens to be in charge of all the Federal employees in the Executive is the core constitutional argument here. POTUS is the check-and-balance of the Executive, imbued in a single, solitary individual. And that is by design. The Judiciary is 9 people, the Legislative 535 and the Executive is 1. This is a blatant attempt to create some kind of "zombie POTUS" that is permanently attached to the puppet-strings of the very bureaucracy which he is supposed to be the executive of. Pure insanity.

But Obama signed an Executive Order that was never reversed by Trump, and apparently Executive Orders (and obscure bureaucratic policies and procedures) over-ride the Constitution!
 
But Obama signed an Executive Order that was never reversed by Trump, and apparently Executive Orders (and obscure bureaucratic policies and procedures) over-ride the Constitution!

Exactly... by not updating Obama's EO, Trump nullified his own de-classification decision....

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Forget classification for a moment.

The legal owner of the documents before and after Trump's term ended was the United States Government, not Trump. He had no legal right to possess them after he left office. If he wants to claim executive privilege as to some of them, there's a procedure under the Presidential Records Act for him to do so, but only after the Archivist notifies him that the Archivist intends to make the material public.

Despite repeated requests by the Archives for documents Trump dragged his heels for over a year, finally turning over 15 boxes in January.

A subpoena was later served on Trump's custodian of records asking for all documents with classification markings (whether they had been declassified was immaterial). This subpoena was not complied with, despite a sworn certification from a Trump lawyer claiming that all such documents has been returned after a "diligent search".

Taking documents that didn't belong to him, stalling their return to the Archives, and disobeying a subpoena to turn them over. And the Trump apologists see nothing wrong with this scenario.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
Forget classification for a moment.

The legal owner of the documents before and after Trump's term ended was the United States Government, not Trump. He had no legal right to possess them after he left office. If he wants to claim executive privilege as to some of them, there's a procedure under the Presidential Records Act for him to do so, but only after the Archivist notifies him that the Archivist intends to make the material public.

Despite repeated requests by the Archives for documents Trump dragged his heels for over a year, finally turning over 15 boxes in January.

A subpoena was later served on Trump's custodian of records asking for all documents with classification markings (whether they had been declassified was immaterial). This subpoena was not complied with, despite a sworn certification from a Trump lawyer claiming that all such documents has been returned after a "diligent search".

Taking documents that didn't belong to him, stalling their return to the Archives, and disobeying a subpoena to turn them over. And the Trump apologists see nothing wrong with this scenario.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

In other words you're saying, it's OK to raid his home so they could recover... documents... for the archive.

And of course you see no issue with this lol
 
Forget classification for a moment.

The legal owner of the documents before and after Trump's term ended was the United States Government, not Trump. He had no legal right to possess them after he left office. If he wants to claim executive privilege as to some of them, there's a procedure under the Presidential Records Act for him to do so, but only after the Archivist notifies him that the Archivist intends to make the material public.

Despite repeated requests by the Archives for documents Trump dragged his heels for over a year, finally turning over 15 boxes in January.

A subpoena was later served on Trump's custodian of records asking for all documents with classification markings (whether they had been declassified was immaterial). This subpoena was not complied with, despite a sworn certification from a Trump lawyer claiming that all such documents has been returned after a "diligent search".

Taking documents that didn't belong to him, stalling their return to the Archives, and disobeying a subpoena to turn them over. And the Trump apologists see nothing wrong with this scenario.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Yes, we see that alleged petty, bureaucratic, minor paperwork issues were used for a general warrant to go on a fishing expedition at the residence of a former president, who is also a competing candidate for the next Presidential election. It's pretty clear we see that.

Can you see the fact that such petty issues and much worse could have been used against other former presidents, and their cabinets (Hillary) and staff, yet that has never been done?
 
Yes, we see that alleged petty, bureaucratic, minor paperwork issues were used for a general warrant to go on a fishing expedition at the residence of a former president, who is also a competing candidate for the next Presidential election. It's pretty clear we see that.

Unless you've seen the documents that were retrieved in the execution of the warrant, you have no basis whatsoever to characterize it as a minor paperwork issue. That is simply wishful thinking on your part because you've apparently bought into the myth that the DOJ is always wrong and Trump is beyond reproach.

If it was so petty, pray tell why did Trump resist turning over the docs for over a year? And why did he fail to comply with the subpoena? And why did the search warrant uncover twice as many docs with classified markings in a couple of hours than Trump returned to the FBI after its month-long so-called diligent search?

The Art of the Con, indeed.
 
Unless you've seen the documents that were retrieved in the execution of the warrant, you have no basis whatsoever to characterize it as a minor paperwork issue. That is simply wishful thinking on your part because you've apparently bought into the myth that the DOJ is always wrong and Trump is beyond reproach.

If it was so petty, pray tell why did Trump resist turning over the docs for over a year? And why did he fail to comply with the subpoena? And why did the search warrant uncover twice as many docs with classified markings in a couple of hours than Trump returned to the FBI after its month-long so-called diligent search?

The Art of the Con, indeed.

Let's see...

- Contents of Hillary's hacked email server

- Full snapshot of Hunter Biden's laptop

- All Crossfire Hurricane investigation documents

Oh wait, wait, no it couldn't possibly be any of those things... must have been DUN DUN DUNNNNNN:

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