Favorite Study of Open Borders Advocates Debunked: Immigration Reduces Wages

[Zippyjuan]

Remember the Patriot Act? How did we get that again?

We got it because people were scared of foreigners. You are promoting expanding it.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

We got it because people were scared of foreigners. You are promoting expanding it.

So not because of Islamic Terrorism being allowed to immigrate to America in order to attack it?

No I am calling for repealing it after we deport those here illegally and reduce immigration from some areas of the world.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Yeah- like all the security measures imposed after 9/11 have been "temporary".

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Yeah- like all the security measures imposed after 9/11 have been "temporary".

You are right they have not been, why is that? Maybe because Islamic immigration has not been stopped.

 

[Zippyjuan]

More likely Islamaphobia has not stopped. How many times have Islamic immigrants attacked inside the United States since then? How many times have Mexican immigrants attacked the US?

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

If you want the government to protect your wages, ...... well I won't make judgement on your worth, but you might be a democrat.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

More likely Islamaphobia has not stopped. How many times have Islamic immigrants attacked inside the United States since then? How many times have Mexican immigrants attacked the US?

At least 120 attempts,7 attacks.And illegals have killed around 25,000 Americans, so You are right we need to worry more about Illegals then ISIS.

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...t_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html


Why you cuck for people that will kill you or out vote/replace you is beyond me.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

If you want the government to protect your wages, ...... well I won't make judgement on your worth, but you might be a democrat.

Tell that STEM workers out of a job at HP, Microsoft, Boeing, Disney. But I guess since your ass is not in the cross hairs why care, right?

 

[Zippyjuan]

GAO didn't do any full count of prisoners, their immigration status, and their crimes. They took a random sample of 1000 prisoners in a handful of states and tried to extrapolate data. http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

Another problem with the homicide figure- the FBI does not track immigration status for homicides so that is impossible to know how many were immigrants and how many were not. In addition, arrested for a crime does not necessarily mean guilty of a crime. Alien does not necessarily mean "illegal alien" either. It just means not born in the country.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ancredo-muffs-illegal-immigrant-murder-stats/

In 2011, the GAO aimed to learn the cost of keeping criminal aliens behind bars. The government analysts wrote that due to the large number of arrest files, they randomly selected 1,000 criminal aliens in five states — Arizona, California, Florida, New York and Texas — and took a close look at their arrest records.

The researchers detailed a host of caveats: At the state level, it’s possible that some people are counted twice if, for example, they are first kept at a county jail and are then transferred to a state prison. And the margin of error for the overall tally of homicides, as well as other crimes, was +/- 20 percent.

The GAO was clear about the lack of precision in its results. A close look shows why anyone should use them with great caution.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 9/11: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/05/terrorist-attacks-by-islamists-in-the-us-since-911

October 2002
Over a period of three weeks, John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo killed 10 people and critically injured three others in Washington DC, Baltimore, and Virginia. The pair were also suspected of earlier shootings in Maryland, Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, and Washington state. While their motives remain a mystery, evidence presented at the trial showed Muhammad and Malvo were in possession of images related to jihad

Born in the USA.

March 2006
Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar injured six people when he drove an SUV into a group of pedestrians at UNC-Chapel Hill “to avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world”. He turned himself into police shortly after the attack. He pleaded guilty to nine counts of attempted first degree murder, and in 2008 was sentenced to 33 years in prison.

Iran born but became a Citizen at age two. I count that as growing up American.

June 2009
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and killed one soldier and injured another in a drive-by shooting at a military careers station in Little Rock, Arkansas. Muhammad, a convert to Islam, had visited Yemen for 16 months where he spent time in prison and became radicalised. He said he was part of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula and was upset over the US killing Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2011 he pleaded guilty to murder and was sentenced to life in prison.

Born in the USA.

November 2009
Maj Nidal Malik Hasan of the US army opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 13 people and wounding at least 30. In 2013, Hasan was convicted by a military tribunal. He defended himself and took responsibility for the attack saying his motive was jihad, to fight “illegal and immoral aggression against Muslims”. The US government has not called the shooting a terrorist attack, characterising it as one of “workplace violence”. Hasan was sentenced to death.

Born in the USA.

April 2013
Chechen brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev detonated two pressure-cooker bombs near the finish line of the Boston marathon, killing three people and injuring more than 260. After the bombing, they shot and killed an MIT campus police officer while he was sitting in his squad car, before hijacking an SUV and fleeing to nearby Watertown, Massachusetts. A huge police chase ensued, resulting in a shootout during which several IED’s were thrown by the brothers.

Immigrants.

October 2014
Zale Thompson injured two NYPD Officers with an 18in hatchet on a crowded sidewalk in Queens. Four officers were posing for a photograph when Thompson charged them. They opened fire killing Thompson and injuring a civilian. Thompson, who converted to Islam two years before the attack, was a frequent visitor of websites that promoted jihad, but police said he had no ties to any international terror group.

Born in the USA.

May 2015
Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi opened fire outside a Muhammad art exhibit event at the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas. The event featured the first inaugural “draw the prophet” contest. A Garland school district police officer was injured. Both gunmen were killed by police. Isis later claimed responsibility for the attack.

Born in the USA.

July 2015
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez began firing on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Four Marines and one sailor were killed and a police officer was injured. Abdulazeez was killed by police in a gunfight following a high-speed chase. He was a naturalised US citizen born in Kuwait. The FBI has yet to determine whether it was an act of terrorism.

Naturalized immigrant

December 2015
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik opened fire at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, killing 14 people and injuring 17 others. Farook had been at the centre for a Christmas party earlier but left following an argument. The pair fled in an SUV but were later killed by police. Bomb equipment, weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition were found in their home. The FBI said it was investigating the shootings as “horrific acts of terrorism” after it emerged the couple had apparent links to Isis.

Farook Born in the USA. Malik- immigrant

Banning all immigration would have prevented maybe two or three of these.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Tell that STEM workers out of a job at HP, Microsoft, Boeing, Disney. But I guess since your ass is not in the cross hairs why care, right?

When your way of showing you care is by pointing the cross hairs at the business owner and their new employees, its probably better if you didn't.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

When your way of showing you care is by pointing the cross hairs at the business owner and their new employees, its probably better if you didn't.

So you support importation of labor until it effects you.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

GAO didn't do any full count of prisoners, their immigration status, and their crimes. They took a random sample of 1000 prisoners in a handful of states and tried to extrapolate data. http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

Another problem with the homicide figure- the FBI does not track immigration status for homicides so that is impossible to know how many were immigrants and how many were not. In addition, arrested for a crime does not necessarily mean guilty of a crime. Alien does not necessarily mean "illegal alien" either. It just means not born in the country.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ancredo-muffs-illegal-immigrant-murder-stats/

That is biased.

Yeah, that total explains away the victims, 25,000 still lay dead and you work to create more victims, you are a traitor to this nation Juan.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 9/11: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/05/terrorist-attacks-by-islamists-in-the-us-since-911



Born in the USA.



Iran born but became a Citizen at age two. I count that as growing up American.



Born in the USA.



Born in the USA.



Immigrants.



Born in the USA.



Born in the USA.



Naturalized immigrant



Farook Born in the USA. Malik- immigrant

Banning all immigration would have prevented maybe two or three of these.

Notice how you leave our 9/11 and the 93 world trade center bombing? I wonder why. And yes it wold have if we did not all Islamic immigration, they would not have been born inside this nation.

 

[Cabal]

importation

 

[Zippyjuan]

Notice how you leave our 9/11 and the 93 world trade center bombing? I wonder why. And yes it wold have if we did not all Islamic immigration, they would not have been born inside this nation.

Did those happen "since 9/11" as I asked? Seems all of the mass killing going on are citizens with guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)

 

[Zippyjuan]

That is biased.

Yeah, that total explains away the victims, 25,000 still lay dead and you work to create more victims, you are a traitor to this nation Juan.

The GAO figures were biased and inaccurate? Yes- that was my point. From their PDF:

Due to the large volume of arrests and offenses,
we selected a random sample of 1,000 criminal aliens and analyzed their
arrest records to estimate the number and types of offenses in our study
population

Large volume referring to all arrests- not just immigrant arrests- they would have had to look at if they examined all cases individually. Again noting that being arrested does not necessarily mean being guilty.

. There are no reliable population data on criminal aliens incarcerated
in all state prison systems and local jails.

They could not say for sure so they had to just guess.

and the
margin of error for the estimated numbers of criminal aliens is no more
than +/-30 percent of the estimate

30% is a huge margin of error.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

What bad would happen if we severely limited immigration

What would happen, economically, if half the population committed suicide tomorrow?

Would the survivors be richer or poorer?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Did those happen "since 9/11" as I asked? Seems all of the mass killing going on are citizens with guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)

They were warnings, which you and you open border supports ignored. Never mind the sicking amount of Americans that were murdered by illegals, who would still be alive had the goverment done one its few appointed tasks.


Jamaican immigrant Colin Ferguson shot and killed 6 Injured 19 on the Long Island Rail Road massacre
Nigerian immigrant Peter Odighizuwa kill 3 and wounded 3 more before being stopped by an armed citizens Appalachian School of Law shooting of 2003
Mexican immigrant Salvador Tapia killed 6 of his co-workers Windy City Core Supply warehouse shooting in 2003.
Hmong immigrant Chai Soua Vang shot and killed six people while being caught trespassing on their property in northern Wisconsin in 2004.
Bosnian immigrant Sulejman Talovic shot and killed 5 people Trolley Square shooting in 2007
South Korean immigrant Seung-Hui Cho kills 32 people and wounds 17 at Virginia Tech in 2007
Son of Palestinian immigrants.Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 soldiers and 33 that were wounded at Fort Hood in 2009
Vietnamese immigrant Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and wounds 4 at the American Civic Association in Binghamton, N.Y. 2009
Mexican immigrant Eduardo Sencion killing 3 and National Guardsman wounding 2 Civilians in a Carson City IHOP in 2011

Maybe if we took in fewer immigrants we could screen them, and weed out the losers, criminals and those who are mentally ill.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

What would happen, economically, if half the population committed suicide tomorrow?

Would the survivors be richer or poorer?

Richer, more resources for all, more over we have automation on the near future for us, we will of tens of million people out of work, we need to plan for that.