Exposing Republicrat Monetary Ignorance For Dummies

nm? No Mas! Don't give up so easy.


(i was taken aback by his quick tap-out...usually they bet and play their lo$ing hand$ longer than that..good for him though...smart enough to fold quickly when panqui's holding a royal flu$h...) ;)

Here's some good reading for Republicrat cheerleaders/apologists from a RARE old fellow Republicrat who truly under$tood:


Voorhis' analysis of the Federal Reserve System and of banking in general never descended from the plane of a pure systems-analysis to the Jew-baiting and racial slurs of the crypto-fascists, who then as now also made an issue of the Fed. A genuine progressive, he knew that usury is a matter of class privilege and class oppression and can not be termed a function of a "Jewish bankers' conspiracy."
"It is ethically wrong for any private person or agency to enjoy the privilege of creating money, and for the same reason that it would be wrong to give one citizen the right to levy a tax upon another one. The power to create money, either in the form of currency or credit, pocketbook money or checkbook money, is the precise equivalent of the power to tax. Anyone exercising the power to createa new dollar can use it to require a dollar's worth of the labor or the property of a fellow citizen without giving anything of value in exchange. "​
(Beyond Victory, 1944)Jerry Voorhis was driven from office in 1946 by the red baiting techniques of a young veteran, recently returned from the Pacific Theater - naval lieutenant Richard Nixon. Nixon, detailed to go after Voorhis, was the recipient of big monies from eastern financial elements. According to William Costello,
"...the representative of a large New York financial house made a trip toCalifornia in October 1945, about the time the Committee of One Hundred was picking Nixon, and called upon a number of influential people in Southern California. The emissary "bawled them out" for permitting Voorhis, whom he described as "one of the most dangerous men in Washington" to "continue to represent a part of California in the House..."
Jerry Voorhis On The Federal Reserve:
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SAYS:
"Congress shall have power to Coin money and regulate the value thereof. "Congress does no such thing, which is the heart of our trouble. Private banks coin our money and regulate its value. In doing so they take from the government and people of the United States a large chunk of their sovereignty, a large chunk of the taxing power, and the key to a prosperous economy without inflation. For example, in testimony before the Banking and Currency Committee of the House of Representatives in 1935, Marriner Eccles, then Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board itself, said:
"In purchasing offerings of Government bonds, the banking system as a whole creates new money, or bank deposits. When the banks buy a billion dollars of Government bonds as they are offered - and you have to consider the banking system as a whole as a unit - the banks credit the deposit account of the Treasury with a billion dollars. They debit their Government bond account a billion dollars; or they actually create, by a bookkeeping entry, a billion dollars."​
...This is, of course, the "fractional reserve system" of banking. It is more or less controlled by the Federal Reserve System, whose only stock is held by the private banks of the Federal Reserve System. Not a single share of such stock is held by the government or people of the United States, although if "national sovereignty" means anything at all, these banks of issue should be the property of the nation. But what actually happens when our government engages in deficit financing? The obvious way the government can get more buying power into the people's hands is by itself putting more money into the stream of commerce than it takes out in taxes. The tragedy of the situation is that, up to date, the only way our government has enabled itself to spend more money than it takes in has been by forcing this sovereign nation to borrow its own credit from private sources....the sovereign government of the United States goes hat in hand to the private banking system and asks it to create the new money that the economy needs. The government gives - the word isused advisedly - it gives to the banking system, including the Federal Reserve banks, government bonds, the debt of all the people. Interest-bearing bonds,that is, bonds bearing as high an interest rate under today's regime as the banks decide to demand. Else they won't buy the bonds.The banks "buy" the bonds with newly created demand deposit entries on their books - nothing more. It is fountain-pen money and considerably more inflationary than would be the same amount of dollar bills created by the government. The deposits the banks create with which to own the people's debt are backed by nothing except the bonds themselves! In other words, they are backed by the credit of the American people. What the government has "borrowed" from the banks, what the people must for years pay interest on, is nothing more nor less than the credit of the nation, which obviously the nation possessed in the first place or the bonds themselves would be no good!..But this is only part of the story. And the less discouraging part, at that. For where the commercial banks are concerned, there is no such repayment of the people's money. When the commercial banks create money, as they do when they acquire government bonds, they levy a tax on every person in the United States. This is so because every new dollar that is created makes every dollar previously in existence worth somewhat less than it was worth before. This is the very heart of inflation. It is also taxation without representation with a vengeance. Until this system is changed, our debt will continue to skyrocket without limit and the fixing of debt limits by the Congress will continue to be an exercise in utter futility.
What ought to be done?
Banks should lend existing money. But, as the Constitution clearly requires, the money (or credit) of the nation should never be created by any private agency, but by an agency of the nation itself. It is the duty of Congress to provide for this by a carefully drawn statute.The stock in Federal Reserve Banks should be purchased by the government from their present private bank owners. The Federal Reserve should then become our national bank of issue. It should create reserve Bank Credit as it does now. But that credit should be credited to the United States Treasury, not charged against it and the people as debt. As much such new credit should be created each year as is needed to keep our economy running at or near capacity - and no more than that. A stable price level could result.Then and only then can we expect to overcome recessions, to put our people to work, and do this without the artifice of inflation and the ever-increasing debt which are incapable under the present monetary system of ever being paid off. -Jerry Voorhis, The Strange Case of Richard Milhous Nixon, 1973http://www.paleoprogressives.org/jerry-voorhis.html
 
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Acala Hannity's: Oh, yes, Congress can be trusted with the monopoly on issuing money! Hahahahaha!

:rolleyes:

(I believe you'll find the authors of the Con. trusted 'Congress' 'with the monopoly on issuing money'...please acquire and read a Con.....esp. Art. 1, Sec. 8, clause 5) :)

The power to coin money is hardly the same as the MONOPOLY power over money so, no, the Constitution does not grant the government monopoly control over money (although it does prohibit the States from coining money). But even if it did, that doesn't make it good policy. Obviously, the Constitution had failed to restrain government and so is a less than perfect document.

Experience shows, beyond any doubt, that Congress cannot be trusted to act responsibly and must be restrained as heavily as possible. Giving Congress monopoly power over money is exactly as foolish as giving the Banks such power. Neither you nor Bill Stills have responded to this criticism in a rational way.
 
(although it does prohibit the States from coining money)

It only prevents the states from coining anything but silver or gold. Which is a strong clue that the founding fathers were all about competing currencies.

And this thread is an odd place to attempt to engage in clear and rational discourse.
 
the Constitution does not grant the government monopoly control over money (although it does prohibit the States from coining money). But even if it did, that doesn't make it good policy. Obviously, the Constitution had failed to restrain government and so is a less than perfect document

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* If a criminal breaks a law, does that mean the Law is bad?
 
And this thread is an odd place to attempt to engage in clear and rational discourse.

Ahahahahaha! You are so right my friend. I have a hard time standing by when someone starts shilling for Bill Stills' nonesense. But I will let it go.
 
Obviously, the Constitution had failed to restrain government and so is a less than perfect document

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* If a criminal breaks a law, does that mean the Law is bad?

Of course it is. The founding fathers were obviously negligent and short sighted to design a Constitution that didn't have automated drones built into the sheepskin that could discern who was violating it and kill them instantly.

What a bunch of losers. If they couldn't make life into a science fiction movie, they had no business trying to start a nation at all. Why did people even bother living at all before technology made it possible for them to be full-on, highly effective tyrants?
 
acala kudlows: Giving Congress monopoly power over money is exactly as foolish as giving the Banks such power.

:eek:

(GOOD GRIEF! Please acquire and read a constitution!!...'the founders' gave 'Congress' precisely that 'power'!! (ART. 1, SEC. 8, cl.5) ...'Congress' has exercised this power by creating a franken$tein monster that ?your gd fool Republicrats ignore, promote, etc..get real, man!)

actuptulsa Republicrats: And this thread is an odd place to attempt to engage in clear and rational discourse.

:rolleyes:

(lol!...you will, of course, :rolleyes: provide me a link to a better discussion 'thread' where i might engage? ;)
..get real, put away your worse-than childish Republicrat monetary theory, myth..
 
^^^^^:eek:

Ralph, 'Brother Nate' rings true about $ome thing$...i don't know what to think about the costume and baggage but i can tell he's done some hone$t thinking, inquiry, etc...unlike the typical Republican and Democrat robot parrot monetary ignoramus..he sounds like a fun guy with whom to have a beer or four...;)

...at the end he said something like, 'we can take the money power back'....:rolleyes:...this is wrongheaded as i don't think 'we' have ever held 'the money power'...it's NEVER been right, true, just, etc..
 
...hint for republicrats who want to learn about the stinking money fraud going on under their noses:...MUCH less limbaugh, beck and hannity...much more ellen brown!..

http://ellenbrown.com/

[h=2]Why Do Banks Want Our Deposits? Hint: It’s Not to Make Loans.[/h]Posted on October 26, 2014 by Ellen Brown
Many authorities have said it: banks do not lend their deposits. They create the money they lend on their books.
Robert B. Anderson, Treasury Secretary under Eisenhower, said it in 1959:
When a bank makes a loan, it simply adds to the borrower’s deposit account in the bank by the amount of the loan. The money is not taken from anyone else’s deposits; it was not previously paid in to the bank by anyone. It’s new money, created by the bank for the use of the borrower.
The Bank of England said it in the spring of 2014, writing in its quarterly bulletin:
The reality of how money is created today differs from the description found in some economics textbooks: Rather than banks receiving deposits when households save and then lending them out, bank lending creates deposits.
. . . Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.
All of which leaves us to wonder: If banks do not lend their depositors’ money, why are they always scrambling to get it? Banks advertise to attract depositors, and they pay interest on the funds. What good are our deposits to the bank? Continue reading →
 
(...i recently came across this statement by Rand Paul from a 'zero hedge' piece:.. "Once upon a time, your dollar was as good as gold," he explained, adding "then for many decades, they said your dollar was backed by the full faith and credit of government." Do you know what it’s backed by now? "Used car loans, bad home loans, distressed assets and derivatives.".

...Rand inaccurately states, "Once upon a time, your dollar was as good as gold" :rolleyes:....sorry Rand, but according to steve zarlenga, the world's foremost monetary historian-(if you know of a better one, please name)- the banksters cheated from the beginning...issuing MANY MANY more bills, bank-book entries, etc., promising redemption in gold than there was actual gold available for redemption...sorry rand, but 'our' stinking money system has always been a stinking fraud..there is no republicrat golden age to which you can 'return'..

...also, 'the backing' for 'our dollars' is LARGELY the same as it's always been: i.e. their unique acceptability/forced usage as the unit of account in courts at law, for the payment of taxes, fees, debts, etc...

..hint for newbies to monetary realism: ..if you were required/forced to use clam shells instead of FRNS in courts at law, for the payment of taxes, fees, debts, etc., the republicrat boobus would be dreaming about the latest episode of 'who wants to be a [clam shell] millionaire'... ;)
 
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...Rand inaccurately states, "Once upon a time, your dollar was as good as gold" :rolleyes:....sorry Rand, but according to steve zarlenga, the world's foremost monetary historian-(if you know of a better one, please name)- the banksters cheated from the beginning...issuing MANY MANY more bills, bank-book entries, etc., promising redemption in gold than there was actual gold available for redemption...sorry rand, but 'our' stinking money system has always been a stinking fraud..there is no republicrat golden age to which you can 'return'..

I'm often critical of the words that come out of Rand's mouth, but come on now. It's really hard to dumb this stuff down far enough for the idiot public to understand any of it. Trying to get into fractional reserve banking with Boobus does no one any good.
 
Weird thread. Not sure what Hank's angle is by being so abrasive.

Fiat money is a contract between corporate entities, but particularly central banks. You are a member bank of the Federal Reserve System if you use their "money". Is that what you're getting at Hank?
 
The Gold Standard Writes: I'm often critical of the words that come out of Rand's mouth, but come on now. It's really hard to dumb this stuff down far enough for the idiot public to understand any of it. Trying to get into fractional reserve banking with Boobus does no one any good.


...please..virtually EVERYONE starts out as 'boobus' when it comes to understanding the essence of 'our' stinking corrupt 'monetary authority' (i.e. those who issue/destroy/regulate the volume of money)...virtually EVERY Republicrat of whom i'm aware is STILL a boobu$!!..corner a republicrat and they'll tell you 'the government prints/creates the money'...'banks loans derive from deposits'...
:rolleyes:...i know, i was there too...BUT THESE MISCONCEPTIONS ARE FAIRLY EASILY DISPELLED!!..UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE (practically) NO HONEST LEADERS WHO WILL PUBLICLY DISPEL THE FRAUD!!..(crissakes!, i've taught 5th graders more of import than the typical republicrat knows...it ain't rocket science!!..you don't need to fully understand reduction mathematics in order to understand/recognize a counterfeiting $cheme..OR TO UNDERSTAND THAT ANY MONETARY AUTHORITY OUGHT TO BE TOTALLY SUBSERVIENT TO CIVIL GOVERNMENT AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!..(the stinking republicrat way)

...it aggravates me that NONE OF THESE STINKING REPUBLICRATS SPEND ANY HONEST TIME EXPLAINING, TALKING ABOUT, DEBATING, ETC., THE SIMPLE, HIDEOUS REALITIES OF THIS MISERABLE 'MONETARY AUTHORITY' UNDER WHICH WE GROAN!!!..:mad:

...BTW, NOT ONE PEEP FROM HERO, RAND, WHEN HE HAD HIS SHOT AT 'THE MICROPHONE' AT C-PAC...:rolleyes:...IT SEEMS TO ME A TRUE LEADER WOULD BE ROARING FREQUENTLY ABOUT THIS MI$ERABLE FRAUD!..:mad:

...sorry for 'yelling'...i'm a bit defensive, having been banished for some time and finally regaining privileges...I fear my time here is fleet...i don't suffer fools well and it seems everywhere i turn i run into a republicrat monetary ignoramus working their gaping hot-dog hole about 'the illion dollar economy' absent an honest understanding of the hideous origin, nature, etc., of even one 'dollar'....does anyone know of any open, honest, unmoderated, ACTIVE, 'political forums' where people can express themselves in an honest 'competition of ideas?'...i am warmed at the thought of engaging republicrats in an honest competition of ideas!!:D
 
devil 21 writes: Fiat money is a contract between corporate entities, but particularly central banks. You are a member bank of the Federal Reserve System if you use their "money". Is that what you're getting at Hank?

:confused:

..'fiat money' is money by 'decree/law'...whether it be some number$ in some 'federal reserve' scheme, gold, toothpicks, horse$hit, etc..?the distinction you may be confusing is the distinction between money with some 'intrinsic value' (gold, etc. ad nauseam) vs. money absent any intrinsic value?...

...what i'm trying to 'get at' among many other things is expressed here by mr hemphill:..

If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon....WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, DEVIL 21, IS THAT 'OUR' :rolleyes: STINKING REPUBLICRAT 'LEADERS' AND 'INVESTIGATORS' DON'T HONESTLY AND PUBLICLY REFLECT UPON THIS GD FRAUD!!!
 
devil 21 writes: Fiat money is a contract between corporate entities, but particularly central banks. You are a member bank of the Federal Reserve System if you use their "money". Is that what you're getting at Hank?

:confused:

..'fiat money' is money by 'decree/law'...whether it be some number$ in some 'federal reserve' scheme, gold, toothpicks, horse$hit, etc..?the distinction you may be confusing is the distinction between money with some 'intrinsic value' (gold, etc. ad nauseam) vs. money absent any intrinsic value?...

Fair enough. I am guilty of occasionally being flippant with terminology for the sake of brevity. What I meant in particular is that Fed 'money', under the current Fed system, is literally a contract between the user of the money and the issuer of the money. The user is bound by the terms set forth by the issuer. Use of their 'money' is a voluntary agreement to follow the rules of its use, such as the federal income tax. This is why Harry Reid said federal income tax is voluntary. No one is required to use their money but once you do (either by opening a bank account, accepting and spending their 'money' for transactions, among other ways) you are bound to their rules. People are indoctrinated into accepting the 'money' as the means of exchange while not realizing/understanding what that acceptance actually means.

...what i'm trying to 'get at' among many other things is expressed here by mr hemphill:..

If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon....WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, DEVIL 21, IS THAT 'OUR' :rolleyes: STINKING REPUBLICRAT 'LEADERS' AND 'INVESTIGATORS' DON'T HONESTLY AND PUBLICLY REFLECT UPON THIS GD FRAUD!!!

You're preaching to the choir. I hit upon this general principle in the "debt is an illusion" thread.
 
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"If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon" ------------------------------------------------------Well Said Mr. Hemphill
 
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