Evolution or Revolution

[Godfather89]

We are the biggest force for change in America and inspiring people abroad. My question to you is are we really revolting or are we evolving?

I say this because, a revolution is a antithesis to the status quo thesis, most revolution end up with something similar to the previous old order. Whereas an evolution is something that completely changes the landscape of society. Humanity is more advanced and has learned much since the last Revolution.

So I am curious do you think we are evolved or revolting? When I say evolving, I dont mean biologically but do you think our ideology is much more powerful and empowering to society as a whole or do you think we will need to make compromise in order to get what we want?

Some may say, why here? Why did I post it here? Well it is simple, here we talk about living in harmony with nature not revolting against nature. Nature evolves she is harmonious, so I am thinking that if our green thumbs want to be in harmony with nature, instead of sticking with the current societal ideology of destroying nature. So I think that this movement is evolutionary, not revolutionary.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

Interesting question.

I think we are evolving, given the power of the Internet to spread information and messages like never before. However, governments all over the world are working feverishly to diminish and/or turn the tides on evolution and enlightenment with tidal waves of subversive conformist propaganda, hellbent on keeping the masses submissive and compliant.

It's a matter of which side (evolution vs devolution) will reach the top of the mountain first. We're in a race of numerous dimensions and variables, like a Rubik's Cube, trying to make all the right moves to counter each effect of the devolution-ist schemes and outsmart them.

Just my buck-o'-five.

 

[noxagol]

A little of both. We are both wanting to revolt against the system and go back to how it was with limited government and we are also calling for the end of government interference.

 

[TruckinMike]

Humanity is more advanced and has learned much since the last Revolution.

NOT true!

I think that we have de-volved as a society. Just because we have past history as an example, and better technology doesn't make us better, smarter, etc. We have run from what is right - to what is wrong. Otherwise we would have never made it to where we are. Morals on the whole have run to the dark side. And that has taken us where we are today.

As for the revolution, we are just neophytes. Until we come to understand the nature of the problem, we will continue attacking the symptoms rather than the disease.

TMike

 

[Dieseler]

NOT true!

I think that we have de-volved as a society. Just because we have past history as an example, and better technology doesn't make us better, smarter, etc. We have run from what is right - to what is wrong. Otherwise we would have never made it to where we are. Morals on the whole have run to the dark side. And that has taken us where we are today.

As for the revolution, we are just neophytes. Until we come to understand the nature of the problem, we will continue attacking the symptoms rather than the disease.

TMike

I totally agree with Mikes assertion. If anything we are devolving. Even in my Grand Parents day it took far more wit, intuition and common sense just to survive even in America. One of my 1st cousins once asked my Great grandmother if the story about my Grand Father plowing the fields alone at the age of 6 was true.
She answered as honestly as anyone could expect in saying,"No, no, dear. He had to be at least 7 when he did that". Now you tell me where you might find an American boy who could plow a field of God knows how many acres at the age of 7 with a mule today. The entire family was sick and it was all my Great Grand Mother could do to keep them all alive. My Grand Father at the ripe old age of 7 was probably the only thing standing between a crop in the fields which meant food on the table and likely starvation.
We have fallen so far with all of this technology and many hard lessons are waiting for any who do not see that.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The USA is in dire NEED of a "correction", as was the USSR, BTW.

 

[NaT805]

I agree with TruckinMike. We've devolved.

It is an up/down scale with liberty at the top, and totalitarianism at the bottom with gravity pulling humanity down to the bottom, it takes a degree of intellect to fight the natural leaning downward fall. Look at the size of government throughout history and you can guess their morals.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

'Tis the best of times, 'tis the worst of times...

The good are getting better as they use technology of all sorts to further the realization of their potential, meanwhile the bad are getting worse from willful ignorance and compliance.

You'll always have the hard-working pack of people, the producers who farmed the land and didn't take sh*t from the snake-oil salesmen in town, and you'll always have the leeches whose sole function is to consume and burden the efforts of those who keep working.

When viewed as a solitary unit, yes, we have devolved. But those who aim and work toward noble things have always found a way to inch closer to their goals. Even with rampant inflation, those keen to the causes and consequences will find a way around it all.

 

[rwbris18]

Maybe this will help explain the difference:

"Any country that doesn't allow peaceful revolution only ensure violent revolution" John F. Kennedy

 

[Godfather89]

NOT true!

I think that we have de-volved as a society. Just because we have past history as an example, and better technology doesn't make us better, smarter, etc. We have run from what is right - to what is wrong. Otherwise we would have never made it to where we are. Morals on the whole have run to the dark side. And that has taken us where we are today.

As for the revolution, we are just neophytes. Until we come to understand the nature of the problem, we will continue attacking the symptoms rather than the disease.

TMike

Our mentality is most certainly devolved. I am not arguing that. Morality is out the window as well. Nobody (sorry very few) actually cares, and those who care do not know how to go about fixing the problem. When I say we have advanced, I mean that science as well as religion has helped us understand humanity better psychologically and spiritually. Yes, society is going down but our understandings have gone up. The problem is that we have no responsibility for what we have or what we know.

The problem is our mentality NOTHING ELSE, if we changed the way we think than these elitist have no power. This is why it is said that:

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again." - Thomas Paine

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." - Matthew 4:17
([Change The Way You Think], for abundance and life is closer than ever before.)

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'Tis the best of times, 'tis the worst of times...

The good are getting better as they use technology of all sorts to further the realization of their potential, meanwhile the bad are getting worse from willful ignorance and compliance.

You'll always have the hard-working pack of people, the producers who farmed the land and didn't take sh*t from the snake-oil salesmen in town, and you'll always have the leeches whose sole function is to consume and burden the efforts of those who keep working.

When viewed as a solitary unit, yes, we have devolved. But those who aim and work toward noble things have always found a way to inch closer to their goals. Even with rampant inflation, those keen to the causes and consequences will find a way around it all.

It is the way of the world. The Rich get richer and poor get poorer. Those who fight for good will only get better at their goodness. The ignorant will just get more ignorant until they can some how turn from their ignorance.

It is the mentality we have, if we changed the way we think than we would be free again. We would no longer be oppressed.

An inspiring last paragraph. Stated at one time, like this:

"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." - Matthew 5:8

In truth "Blessed" is today's world as "successful"

 

[silverhawks]

Going to say that socially we've devolved, technologically we're evolving all the time. Technological advancement has the least roadblocks thrown in its way right now by the military-industrial complex because it can make them money.

Education and knowledge of practical skills, history, self-sufficiency, are having major obstacles tossed in their path because it moves us closer to self-reliance and self-governance. Likewise, we're seeing similar obstacles thrown down in front of clean, renewable energy for the same reasons; someone living off the grid has broken ties with major institutions, is no longer dependent on them for essentials of survival.

I'm pretty much convinced that "human nature" is really based on cooperation rather than competition, but since conflict makes unscrupulous people money, we have wars.

 

[Conza88]

Social Darwinists are retards....

Throughout the history of man, it has been through revolutions by the people; against their kings and overlords that has made man step up out of squalor.

Not state or over ruling power EVER gave up that power voluntarily... NEVER. And it won't... evolve? lmao.

Revolt.

 

[Godfather89]

Yea but I am not talking about how one group is better than other I am not trying to be racist or sexist.

I AM NOT SAYING: Only white men understand Ron Paul, all are subject to being ignorant.

What I am saying is that we have as a people called humanity, advanced in our understanding of a lot, but our understanding is also able to pervert us from using our understanding for evil. Those who seek a free society will seek to be free and use that freedom first and foremost for the guaranteed protection of that country and the advancement of their virtues.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

What I am saying is that we have as a people called humanity, advanced in our understanding of a lot, but our understanding is also able to pervert us from using our understanding for evil. Those who seek a free society will seek to be free and use that freedom first and foremost for the guaranteed protection of that country and the advancement of their virtues.

Many people just don't realize how invigorating life could be if they freed themselves from self-imposed shackles. It's painful for a person to mentally digest that we have been ingrained with systems of thought that work against freedom of the mind (compliance, never question authority; debt-based consumption, debt-based hedonism of all types, etc). And even when a person does have that epiphany, they have a hard time letting go of the previous patterns of thought...change and new territory is "scary."

"Much of your pain is self-chosen." - Kahlil Gibran
"No man is free who is not master of himself." - Epictetus



Some can't envision the possibilities, the ideas, the ingenuity of the human mind if it is free to wander.

"Art, music, and philosophy are merely poignant examples of what we might have been had not the priests and traders gotten hold of us." - George Carlin


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