Everybody here needs to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War...

[ChristianAnarchist]

We are in a war for our liberties and although it is not a shooting war, the tactics described in Sun Tzu's The Art of War apply. We need to realize that deception is a tool that they will use on us and in some instances, we will use on them. Do you think a "spy" sent into an enemy camp can tell the enemy he is a spy?? Not very effective is it?

We have people "inside" that we don't know about (at least I believe we do). Dr. Paul and the campaign have to keep their behavior within certain guidelines or they will be shut out and the "war" will be over. If we don't get this win in 2012, things are going to fall apart very quickly. Everyone keep in mind that some things that we might think are the "wrong" decisions or actions from the campaign might have a reason that we don't see yet.

I trust Ron Paul to make the correct decisions and I hope those here do too. He's well aware of the snakes he has to deal with in Washington and the party. WE THE PEOPLE are a force to be recon d with and WE are behind RON PAUL...

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Read it, and own a very nice bilingual (Eng/Chin) hardcover copy of 'The Art of War'.
I can definitely recommend it to anyone that likes to polish their general strategies in life. The book explains a lot about general human psychology, but from an interesting perspective. And although it was written a couple thousand years ago for the purpose of waging war, it's lessons are applicable nearly any situation in modern life as well.

And yes, deception is everywhere...

There are chapters on human behavior in reaction and opposition to stress and or prolonged campaigns, chapters about keeping up morale. This certainly gives an interesting perspective in the general psychology of this movement.

Anyways, thanks for shining some light on this piece of literature, I think it's a book that can be a valuable asset to common sense people.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Please post a picture of the best version of The Art of War book.

 

[LKMN]

I was an English major in college, so I have plodded through some difficult reading material in my time. This book is killing me, however. I don't know why I'm having such trouble getting through it, especially when it seems so many others have read it, enjoyed it, and taken a lot away from it...

 

[specsaregood]

Meh, overrated. Its decent toilet reading material though and I do appreciate how there is a fair amount of focus on the costs of war.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Have any of you read this?

 

[Barrex]

Yea I read it.


Important thing is not to be too confident and that we must learn from our mistakes (something that people around here dont like to talk about)

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

 

[Hobez]

Its not overated its still used as a foundation. Ive read it plenty of times and it dosent get old. We have to use gurilla.
tactics and we need avoid their strength and attack their weaknesses. We should spy with a hidden camra and get them talking under camra then upload it to youtube. We have to resort to unorthodox methods to win. By attackimg Obama or Rommney will show Ron Paul he is insecure. The establishment is losing ground quickly because they got arrogant and now their the defensive. Media ignoring him will make a grave mistake on their part because when he wins the nomination the public will start to wake up and finally question. When Ron Paul wins he will make history for one preaident defying the overwhelming odds that were stacked up against him. Im more afraid what will come after this electiion.

 

[Jovan Galtic]

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

We are in a war for our liberties and although it is not a shooting war, the tactics described in Sun Tzu's The Art of War apply. We need to realize that deception is a tool that they will use on us and in some instances, we will use on them. Do you think a "spy" sent into an enemy camp can tell the enemy he is a spy?? Not very effective is it?

We have people "inside" that we don't know about (at least I believe we do). Dr. Paul and the campaign have to keep their behavior within certain guidelines or they will be shut out and the "war" will be over. If we don't get this win in 2012, things are going to fall apart very quickly. Everyone keep in mind that some things that we might think are the "wrong" decisions or actions from the campaign might have a reason that we don't see yet.

I trust Ron Paul to make the correct decisions and I hope those here do too. He's well aware of the snakes he has to deal with in Washington and the party. WE THE PEOPLE are a force to be recon d with and WE are behind RON PAUL...

Sun Tzu was a bad dude. He didn't mess around.

 

[TheGrinch]

Meh, overrated. Its decent toilet reading material though and I do appreciate how there is a fair amount of focus on the costs of war.

I don't think it's overrated at all, and regardless, it's still used all the way up to military strategists today... For instance, I wrote a paper a while back on Rapid Dominance, which would later be the basis for the Iraq "Shock and Awe" campaign, and an entire section of that report is related to Sun Tsu's writings (e.g., a twofold display of dominance to be shown to both the enemy and the world via selective electricity).

I actually have one book that relates it to poker that's quite good, and I believe many in business use it too.. You just have to look at a bit differently when you're applying it to non-war/non-violent reasons.

 

[Kirdneh]

Here's my reading remommendation to you: Gustave Le Bon: The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind, an absolute classic on how to work crowds, how they behave, how they are directed.

Le Bon is very old stuff, it's THE reference! It's also a hint to us: While we have to play honest, behave cool and generous when working on individuals, we have to play absolute hardball when working on crowds! You win individuals by being nice, but for winning crowds you have to be macchiavellan. Read LeBon !

 

[Elwar]

Moon Ztu's "Art of Winning War" says that the best strategy for winning a war is to suggest people read Sun Tzu's Art of War and then while they are busy reading a book, kill them.

You are very skilled in Moon Ztu...

 

[airborne373]

We are in a war for our liberties and although it is not a shooting war, the tactics described in Sun Tzu's The Art of War apply. We need to realize that deception is a tool that they will use on us and in some instances, we will use on them. Do you think a "spy" sent into an enemy camp can tell the enemy he is a spy?? Not very effective is it?

We have people "inside" that we don't know about (at least I believe we do). Dr. Paul and the campaign have to keep their behavior within certain guidelines or they will be shut out and the "war" will be over. If we don't get this win in 2012, things are going to fall apart very quickly. Everyone keep in mind that some things that we might think are the "wrong" decisions or actions from the campaign might have a reason that we don't see yet.

I trust Ron Paul to make the correct decisions and I hope those here do too. He's well aware of the snakes he has to deal with in Washington and the party. WE THE PEOPLE are a force to be recon d with and WE are behind RON PAUL...

Agreed, everyone who is serious about their own lives should read The Art of War. The book with a set of flash cards is useful as this info is hard core truth and wisdom that transcends time and place, study and meditation are required. Miyamoto Musashi's Book of Five Rings about living the life or "way" of the warrior is a bit more philosophical or to me about the inner man rather than using tactics and strategy in the larger context of the playing/battle field. Having said that Miyamoto Musahsi was one bad Motha ...

 

[specsaregood]

I actually have one book that relates it to poker that's quite good, and I believe many in business use it too.. You just have to look at a bit differently when you're applying it to non-war/non-violent reasons.

That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say its overrated. It is not the end-all, be-all of human interaction, strategy and tactics in every single facet of life. Sure, it has some good thought provoking material; but its not some panacea.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I don't think it's overrated at all, and regardless, it's still used all the way up to military strategists today... For instance, I wrote a paper a while back on Rapid Dominance, which would later be the basis for the Iraq "Shock and Awe" campaign, and an entire section of that report is related to Sun Tsu's writings (e.g., a twofold display of dominance to be shown to both the enemy and the world via selective electricity).

I actually have one book that relates it to poker that's quite good, and I believe many in business use it too.. You just have to look at a bit differently when you're applying it to non-war/non-violent reasons.

I'd love to read your poker analysis.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Bas Rutten (UFC champion) spoke highly of the book The Alchemist.

 

[TheGrinch]

That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say its overrated. It is not the end-all, be-all of human interaction, strategy and tactics in every single facet of life. Sure, it has some good thought provoking material; but its not some panacea.

I gotcha, and I agree that it's not like the gospel that's applicable to everything, but I do think it's very thought-provoking to read, no matter what you intend to apply it to.

My favorite quote from the book has always been, "If you know the (strengths and weaknesses of the) enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.".

I'd love to read your poker analysis.

Hopefully I didn't give the impression that I wrote the book, but poker is the one area where it is every bit as applicable as in war, because both require "deception" and "knowing your enemy" (you're playing the player, not the cards). Pretty much it all comes down to countering strengths by exploiting weaknesses, and to "Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical."

 

[Romulus]

The media ignoring Ron Paul can be used in our favor now..