Even Jews Ask: Is Judaism a Satanic Cult?

[Ronin Truth]

THE CREED


"I believe in One God, Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.

And in One Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages.

Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father, through whom all things were made.

For us and for our salvation, He came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became Man.

He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and He suffered and was buried.

On the third day He rose according to the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father, who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I expect the resurrection of the dead; and the life of the age to come.

Amen."

Hey, nice creed, I really hope that it works out well for you.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Do Jews Believe in Satan? The Jewish View of Satan

By Ariela Pelaia

Satan is a character that appears in the belief systems of many religions, including Christianity and Islam. In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.

Satan As A Metaphor for the Yetzer HaRa

The Hebrew word "satan" literally means "adversary" and in Jewish thought one of the things we struggle against every day is the "evil inclination," also known as the yetzer hara. The yetzer hara is not a force or a being, but rather refers to mankind's innate capacity for doing evil in the world. Using the term satan to describe this impulse is not very common though. (The "good inclination" is called the yetzer hatov.)

References to "satan" can be found in some Orthodox and Conservative prayer books, but they are viewed as symbolic descriptions of one aspect of mankind's nature.

References to Satan in the Hebrew Bible

Satan appears as a proper character only once in the Hebrew Bible. In the Book of Job he is depicted as an angel who mocks the piety of a righteous man named Job. He tells God that the only reason Job is so religious is because God has given him a life filled with blessings. "But lay Your hand upon all that he has, and he will curse You to Your face" (Job 1:11). God accepts Satan’s wager and allows Satan to rain all manner of misfortune upon Job: his sons and daughters die, he loses his fortune, he is afflicted with painful boils. Yet even though people tell Job to curse God, he refuses. Throughout the book Job demands that God tell him why all of things horrible things are happening to him but God does not answer until chapter 38. "Where were you when I established the world?" God asks Job, "Tell me, if you know so much" (Job 38:3-4). Job is humbled and admits that he has spoken of things he does not understand.

The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being. The idea of satan has a being with dominion over a metaphysical realm never caught on in Judaism. Judaism is so strictly monotheistic that the rabbis resisted the temptation to characterize anyone other than God with authority. Rather, God is the Creator of both good and evil and it is up to mankind to choose which path they will follow.

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/jewishbeliefsatan.htm

 

[Rosenzweig]

I don't know why these people think that Judaism (as practiced by Jews) is some sort of antithesis to Christianity. Satan is a scarce name, only really relevant in old midrashim, we really don't care all that much about Christians, and all this "LOOK AT THE WORDS! WHAT DO THEY MEAN," bull shit commits various intellectual fallacies. Hell, these people don't even know a single thing about Judaism:
"Jewish prayers are conducted in Yiddish, a composite language far from the intended pronunciation of the original Hebrew."

The latter part is right (I'm one of those nerds that like to pronounce the 3ayin), but almost no tefilot are spoken in Yiddish (and no formal and completely necessary prayers are in Yiddish as well). The vast majority of prayers are in Hebrew and must be spoken in Hebrew (though saying them in the common language is acceptable if one cannot read Hebrew). There are a few prayers, mostly halachically non-required, that are written in Aramaic (a sister language to Hebrew); but, I never see, in the context of a liturgy, any prayers being spoken in Yiddish, not even in chassidic circles.

 

[acptulsa]

Let's start at the beginning. Look at the author, Will Newmann, and his main source, Harold Rosenthal.

Why? Why on earth? A good education never kept anyone from making any mistakes at all. Never kept anyone from lying, either. And even from the mouths of babes come gems.

The whole concept of Lucifer doesn't even exist in Judaism. Lucifer is a Latin word that Christians took from the Latin Vulgate, which has never been used as a Jewish Bible.

It wouldn't, if (as was alleged) they call Lucifer god. So as a logical disproof, this statement is a major fail.

I'll return to my question.

A wiser idea, to be sure.

In my experience it really depends on who you are nasty toward.

In your experience it really depends on who is nasty first. The only reason you think otherwise is you have eyes but do not see.

And, no, slicing, dicing and gutting another person's arguments is not automatically considered 'nastiness'. No matter how much that person wants to believe in those arguments and their validity.

 

[erowe1]

Since when?
They were well known at the time of Christ.. And quoted by writers of the new testament.

They are not considered "canon" by most.. (i find them quite interesting) and were rejected By the Jews at some point..but were apparently known as scripture in Christs time.

And one other point,, in regards to the piece posted by the OP.
The Kabalah was long after the Rejection of the Messiah.. it is something created and adopted on the middle ages, a rather late development.

I would also point out,, that Judaism,, is a dead religion.
There is no Ark of Covenant. God does no longer live among them.
There is no priesthood offering sacrifice and burnt offerings.. has not been for 2000 years.
The Law is not followed.

The whole purpose of the people was to bring Christ, the Messiah, and that being fulfilled, it serves no further purpose.

What remains is empty ritual,, and perverted purpose (Zionism)

I don't disagree with you about Judaism. I reject it as a Christian. I even believe it's Satanic. But that is judging it from my Christian perspective. To claim that Jews themselves consciously consider their own religion Satanic, as the OP claims, is false, and either ridiculously ignorant or ridiculously deceptive.

 

[erowe1]

It wouldn't, if (as was alleged) they call Lucifer god. So as a logical disproof, this statement is a major fail.

They don't. The allegation is ludicrous. There is no Lucifer in Judaism. The major fail is the entire OP.

 

[acptulsa]

They don't. The allegation is ludicrous. There is no Lucifer in Judaism. The major fail is the entire OP.

This is a statement. It could be a statement of fact. It could be a statement of faith. What it is not is an effective, logical refutation of something.

You implied you might provide us one of those. I was merely inviting you to begin at any time, if that really was your intent.

Critical thinking is a boon to my Christian faith, not a detriment.

 

[erowe1]

This is a statement. It could be a statement of fact.

It is a statement of fact.

The OP makes statements of fact, which are false. It bases its conclusions on these. It is logically refuted on that basis. People who know about Judaism, which the author of the OP and his sources do not, know this.

 

[erowe1]

Where are the people who are prepared to stand by and defend anything in the OP?

Will anybody?

If not, then I don't see what the issue is. We all agree that it's garbage and can move on.

 

[acptulsa]

It is logically refuted on that basis.

Not until the underlying thesis is disproven, it isn't. The substitute for logic you're using doesn't work for me. You're building on sand.

Let's try this:

Christianity: Jesus is Lord

Islam: Jesus is a vital and unmeasurably important prophet

Modern Judaism: Jesus, if He existed at all, was merely a rabble-rouser and troublemaker.

Now explain to me--logically--how modern Judaism is Godly and the basis of Islam is Luciferian.

We all agree that it's garbage and can move on.

God gave us eyes to see and brains to think with. We'll never ward off the false prophets among us if we don't learn to use them.

Do you really think Zionism is really a sect of Judaism that Jesus the King of the Jews would lay claim to?

 

[erowe1]

Not until the underlying thesis is disproven.

Since the facts on which the argument is based are false, the argument is refuted. If it's conclusion could be proven some other way, that would another thing, which would have nothing to do with the OP. It can't. But whether it could or not, the OP itself is still garbage.

 

[erowe1]

God gave us eyes to see and brains to think with. We'll never ward off the false prophets among us if we don't learn to use them.

It's good to see you agree with me then.

 

[erowe1]

Now explain to me--logically--how modern Judaism is Godly and the basis of Islam is Luciferian.

Why would you ask me to do this? Does this look like a position I have ever taken here?

Do you really think Zionism is really a sect of Judaism that Jesus the King of the Jews would lay claim to?

If by Zionism, you mean some movement of rabbinic Judaism related to the nation-state of Israel as it exists today, then of course not. I don't see how that has anything to do with this discussion.

Did you read the OP?

 

[acptulsa]

It's good to see you agree with me then.

LOL

No. I'd love to accommodate you, really, but you can't turn your theories into axioms by putting words in my mouth.

 

[erowe1]

LOL

No. I'd love to accommodate you, really, but you can't turn your theories into axioms by putting words in my mouth.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I quoted you. Those were your words.

 

[acptulsa]

I didn't put words in your mouth. I quoted you. Those were your words.

*sigh*

Yes, you quoted my completely irrelevant words.

 

[erowe1]

*sigh*

Yes, you quoted my completely irrelevant words.

We agree again.

 

[acptulsa]

You do realize, don't you, that if I were to quote this...

Why would you ask me to do this? Does this look like a position I have ever taken here?

...and aver that this means you consider God and Allah to be one and the same, that would have about ten times more logical validity behind it than anything you've said in this thread?

Not that I'm making such a claim, nor that it actually has logical validity...

If by Zionism, you mean some movement of rabbinic Judaism related to the nation-state of Israel as it exists today, then of course not. I don't see how that has anything to do with this discussion.

Did you read the OP?

Better to ask yourself if you understood it.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I don't know why these people think that Judaism (as practiced by Jews) is some sort of antithesis to Christianity. Satan is a scarce name, only really relevant in old midrashim, we really don't care all that much about Christians, and all this "LOOK AT THE WORDS! WHAT DO THEY MEAN," bull shit commits various intellectual fallacies. Hell, these people don't even know a single thing about Judaism:
"Jewish prayers are conducted in Yiddish, a composite language far from the intended pronunciation of the original Hebrew."

The latter part is right (I'm one of those nerds that like to pronounce the 3ayin), but almost no tefilot are spoken in Yiddish (and no formal and completely necessary prayers are in Yiddish as well). The vast majority of prayers are in Hebrew and must be spoken in Hebrew (though saying them in the common language is acceptable if one cannot read Hebrew). There are a few prayers, mostly halachically non-required, that are written in Aramaic (a sister language to Hebrew); but, I never see, in the context of a liturgy, any prayers being spoken in Yiddish, not even in chassidic circles.

Is Yiddish only a dialect used by the Ashkenazim?

Thanks!

 

[erowe1]

Better to ask yourself if you understood it.

I did. It made no mention of zionism. Did you read it?