Outreach: EU's Daniel Hannan's Assistant Contacted Me Last Night - Huge Ron Paul Fans!

[Dripping Rain]

wow just wow
torch bearer youre the real good news man

 

[torchbearer]

wow just wow
torch bearer youre the real good news man

I don't know if I deserve any credit. They chose to contact me because my info was easily available and I am a long time member.
But I do know a lot of people and I am now able to get even more people connected.
That is what we are working on right now.
So it really was just luck...

I'm excited myself that I am able to help in all of this stuff.

 

[Epic]

The important thing is to talk up the message. Some people's hackles still rise at the mention of RP for some reason, so if this guy can talk the message as a new fresh face, all the better. RP is NOT the message people. Freedom is.

Yeah I agree, but here's the thing - if he doesn't make clear to many of the neocons that he is a Paul supporter (or likewise delve into his support for RP's policies that draw criticism from the neocons - foreign policy, welfare state, end the federal reserve) , he will be misconstrued and will perhaps unknowingly lending credence to the big-government type of conservatism put forward by Bush, McCain, etc.

I just listened to his discussion with Hannity, and it's clear that Hannity is using him. Hannity says, you know McCain thinks this is generational theft, do you agree? And of course, Hannan has to agree and now it looks like Hannan is a McCain fan, when really Hannan wasn't even for McCain because he rejects the big-government conservatism and the foreign adventurism.

Now I want to talk about an incredibly powerful social phenomenon - when someone who has gained credibility with you put forwards a topic or endorses someone (RP) that you have issues with, it causes that person to reconsider their viewpoint on that issue. For instance, Ron Paul gained credibility with me, then when he said he had changed his mind on the death penalty during his career, I reconsidered the issue myself.

 

[Dripping Rain]

I don't know if I deserve any credit. They chose to contact me because my info was easily available and I was a long time member.
But I do know a lot of people and I am now able to get even more people connected.
That is what we are working on right now.
So it really was just luck...

I'm excited myself that I am able to help in all of this stuff.

most times you post good news and thats something i personally appreciate. thanks torchy

 

[Dripping Rain]

Yeah I agree, but here's the thing - if he doesn't make clear to many of the neocons that he is a Paul supporter (or likewise delve into his support for RP's policies that draw criticism from the neocons - foreign policy, welfare state, end the federal reserve) , he will be misconstrued and will perhaps unknowingly lending credence to the big-government type of conservatism put forward by Bush, McCain, etc.

I just listened to his discussion with Hannity, and it's clear that Hannity is using him. Hannity says, you know McCain thinks this is generational theft, do you agree? And of course, Hannan has to agree and now it looks like Hannan is a McCain fan, when really Hannan wasn't even for McCain because he rejects the big-government conservatism and the foreign adventurism.

Now I want to talk about an incredibly powerful social phenomenon - when someone who has gained credibility with you put forwards a topic or endorses someone (RP) that you have issues with, it causes that person to reconsider their viewpoint on that issue. For instance, Ron Paul gained credibility with me, then when he said he had changed his mind on the death penalty during his career, I reconsidered the issue myself.

+2012
thats what i was saying last night

 

[tremendoustie]

The important thing is to talk up the message. Some people's hackles still rise at the mention of RP for some reason, so if this guy can talk the message as a new fresh face, all the better. RP is NOT the message people. Freedom is.

+1 to this! It's all about the message, not the man. It is, however, vitally important that he not be co-opted by the neocon message -- the McCain, Bush message. He needs to differentiate himself from this -- supporting RP is one way to do so.

I encourage Mr. Hannan to emphasize how foreign intervention is not wise, and how we need to respect personal liberties as protected in the fourth amendment. These are the remaining sticking points for mainstream republicans -- but we cannot be free when the government has a camera in our face, and we cannot be fiscally responsible while policing the world, or maintaining troops in 70% of all countries.

Also, it's good to mention how the fiscal irresponsibility is a problem on both sides of the aisle -- Bush was just as bad, or almost as bad, and facilitated the outright theft of the people's money by the banks. This is not a partisan problem, this is an out of control government problem.

We need to protect and restore economic, civil, and personal freedom -- but so far, both parties have been undermining them.

 

[ClayTrainor]

I don't know if I deserve any credit. They chose to contact me because my info was easily available and I was a long time member.
But I do know a lot of people and I am now able to get even more people connected.
That is what we are working on right now.
So it really was just luck...

I'm excited myself that I am able to help in all of this stuff.

Yea man... you're living up to your name

 

[torchbearer]

Yea man... you're living up to your name

Last Night was a weird night.
Talked with an old friend from Jamaica I had lost touch with... keyboard player in Live Wyya. (just out of the blue)
And then, I just got to view the Hannan videos. Loved it. First time seeing the guy.
Then I check my email, and there is a message from one of his staffers.
Felt like a dream.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Coulda Shoulda Woulda!!! Give the guy a break! You're never going to find perfection!

Ok, ok, you're right...I don't need the perfect politician...but he'd be more popular if he stopped praising Obama

 

[Carole]

Listen to the Cavuto interview again. Hannan was rubbed the wrong way by McCain and I think now he no longer can support Obama. He definitely indicated his preference for Dr. Paul and his Constitutional views.

 

[Carole]

Please also listen to Nigel Farage also. He does a great job with the put downs also.

Nigel Farage had a good old go too... And according to him, Brown delivered the speech to a virtually empty chamber. Bet that never happened to Blair.
Nigel Farage
Sorry?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDwQEEAZhWM&feature=player_embedded

Ant this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=162211&highlight=nigel+farage

A little humor:
Nigel Farage on who's who in the EU commission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=YWSYMpuCFaQ&feature=related

 

[Carole]

I loved the Hannan video and watched some others he has on his blog.

It would be wonderful if we could help him become a household name in England, if we could in some way help the people of England see that he is a real leader for them in these bad times.

Wonder why he is not popular in England?

How can we help?

Maybe we should look at Nigel Farage also.

If we can grow an international network, get beyod our own borders, maybe we can help some great people achieve some great things with the right people.

 

[Rangeley]

The important thing is to talk up the message. Some people's hackles still rise at the mention of RP for some reason, so if this guy can talk the message as a new fresh face, all the better. RP is NOT the message people. Freedom is.

Exactly.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

b'lody awesome! Whatever we need to do to make an international consortium of personal sovereignty proponents work, COUNT ME IN!!!

 

[MRoCkEd]

The important thing is to talk up the message. Some people's hackles still rise at the mention of RP for some reason, so if this guy can talk the message as a new fresh face, all the better. RP is NOT the message people. Freedom is.

True, but I would've loved to hear Pawn Hannity's reaction if Mr. Hannan had mentioned Dr. Paul.

 

[Moxxar]

As a European (I'm Dutch) and someone who is vehemently opposed to the whole EU project (not the free trade zone mind you ) this is great stuff!

Thank you mister Hannan for speaking up. Looking at it from my country there is so few resistance against the EU, it is mind boggling. It seems like the entire political elite has simply accepted it and questioning it makes you into a simplistic populist idiot... Eventhough there is an extremely sound intelectual case to be made against it. (the case of liberty)
So thank you mister Hannan for questioning at least some parts of it!

Say Torchbearer, can you send him a message asking him if he's heard of the Ludwig von Mises Institute Europe and especially the Mises Youth club? They operate in Brussels and target MEP's. They organise meetings to discuss books and the subject of liberty. I think he might be very interested in that. It's basically people trying to form a classical liberal think tank or network in Brussels and hoping to connect with MEP's. Several MEP's attend already I believe together with a lot of young liberty enthousiasts. Mister Hannan joining that would be an enormous boost to the freedom movement there. (you have to understand how small it all is here compared to you guys over there in the States...)
I hope you can do this.

/Off topic:
How are you efforts in Louisiana going?

 

[torchbearer]

As a European (I'm Dutch) and someone who is vehemently opposed to the whole EU project (not the free trade zone mind you ) this is great stuff!

Thank you mister Hannan for speaking up. Looking at it from my country there is so few resistance against the EU, it is mind boggling. It seems like the entire political elite has simply accepted it and questioning it makes you into a simplistic populist idiot... Eventhough there is an extremely sound intelectual case to be made against it. (the case of liberty)
So thank you mister Hannan for questioning at least some parts of it!

Say Torchbearer, can you send him a message asking him if he's heard of the Ludwig von Mises Institute Europe and especially the Mises Youth club? They operate in Brussels and target MEP's. They organise meetings to discuss books and the subject of liberty. I think he might be very interested in that. It's basically people trying to form a classical liberal think tank or network in Brussels and hoping to connect with MEP's. Several MEP's attend already I believe together with a lot of young liberty enthousiasts. Mister Hannan joining that would be an enormous boost to the freedom movement there. (you have to understand how small it all is here compared to you guys over there in the States...)
I hope you can do this.

/Off topic:
How are you efforts in Louisiana going?

I'll ask Mark if Mr. Hannan has looked into the Mises Institute yet.
Louisiana is doing ok. Hasn't been much going on lately. There should be a training session in baton rouge soon for activist and the LALP convention will be at the beginning of april.
Economically, Louisiana hasn't been affected that much. I saw a study that showed our Capital- Baton Rouge is in the top 10 cities best suited to weather the recession.
Our government is a bit too socialist for my taste, but it isn't over-bloated either.
We have the most crooked politicians... but somehow that doesn't sap much from our private sectors. Just shaddy deals on the side.

We have a lot of activist who are burnt-out from the last two years. Some are disheartened by the election theft by the LAGOP. Trying to keep morale high.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

TorchBearer is the man.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[vacmil]

Under his wikipedia profile picture it says: "The picture above is courtesy of the Mises Youth Club."

 

[torchbearer]

Under his wikipedia profile picture it says: "The picture above is courtesy of the Mises Youth Club."

I guess that answers the question.